Re: 3x22 "Goodbye" Watch & Discussion thread

[Glorfindel]

I don't know what to say. I don't think I can watch the episode.

I have been crying for about an hour now. Fuck this show, fuck everything.

I don't want Kurt settling for fashion, I don't want him staying behind.
All I wanted is for him to get 1 victory, 1 lousy victory.

Even if Kurt gets into NYADA (because he's the first runner up or something): I think him not getting that moment of validation of getting in on his own now..... this can never be fixed, never.
Fuck this, I'm so done with it. I don't want to watch Glee next season, but I'll have to to see Chris. I hate being too weak to quit.
Do we really have to live through 4 months of not knowing?
They cannot do this to all the kids (and grown ups) who look up to Kurt. No cliffhanger is worth the devastation this is causing. Did they even think about the consequences for Kurt when they thought up this stupid suspense? Will it be angst for nothing and Kurt still gets in? Whatever: it isn't worth it. Kurt losing again can never be justified, never.

God, this is so upsetting. I feel like someone died, and having lost my father, I know how that feels. Why am I so invested in Kurt? I fucking hate this show.

Words cannot describe what I feel right now.

[BlueJazz]

This is kurt's off-screen ranting after the finale:

[arina]

I thought that there was supossed to be scene just with Kurt and Schuster? I am curious if it was fake spoiler or if they cut it.

[Delight]

Good luck with season 4 fucking writers.

That emoticon is insufficient to express our rage. Try this one instead (which I got from Glorfindel):

[valkeakuulas]

I don't know anymore...Kurt has been kicked in the head for three seasons so I did not expect anything diffrent but I just think it's so unfair. From a dramatic point of view, giving the shows best cliffhanger to its most loved and talented
character/actor makes hell of lot of sense but that is not even a cliffhanger since nothing was thrown into the air!!!

And we are angry, and from now on Glee is not a comedy for me, it's just too many cries and sorrows to be one. And I CAN'T rationalise anymore...I've surely done enough of that. It's like I'm defeted, Glee has finally killed all joy and hope. Hard work doesn't pay off and Fox and the writers hate Kurt. I've had this window open now for like an hour and nope, nothing positive to say about the SL.

No matter what I feel Chris, Cory and Lea are my diamonds. I cried and cried...I'm still crying. The only reason we didn't see Kurt's reaction to LOSING is because Chris would have done it too well and half the Glee watchers would have had a stroke or an aneyrysm.

[Heyerchick]

Kurt killed his audition and didn't get into NYADA. Rachel choked on her audition and did get in. The utter unfairness of that completely undercut the story for me. Rachel did not earn her win. I still love her to bits, but I have never found her less rootable than she is now. The special snowflake who won everything going and for whom the magic narrative wand was waved. I’m still in shock that an outcome I’ve been longing for and hoping for and enthusiastically advocating for since the finale last year has been so soured.

Kurt...I feel like I was punched in the chest.

Kurt's dreams of three years were crushed; his season-long arc ended in failure; his killer audition met with rejection. Whatever happens in the future with Kurt, it'll be because his dreams were crushed and he failed. He won't get to harass his way into NYADA or have the majority of Nationals devoted to his awesome talent. Rachel been there, done that. He'll have to find a new dream; he'll have to make do with second choice.

The worst thing about all of this? We spent more time on which ugly wedding chair Rachel's ass would have to be parked on than we did Kurt's rejection. He got Finn's arm around his shoulders as they faded into background. And that was it. Didn't even rate 30 seconds of consolation with Blaine or Burt. That would have made all the difference in the world. But no. Ugly ass folding chairs were a higher narrative priority.

Seasons 1 and 2, I watched and re-watched and loved and enjoyed and happily obsessed over, even though a lot of what happened to Kurt narratively reached the kicked puppy stage. Season 3 has been dreary and disappointing for Kurt, the only gay on the planet who is too much of a lady for musical theatre. It's been loss and failure and rejection and emotional pain porn. The writers' obsession with making Kurt suffer is....sick. Sadistic. I loathe it.

My beloved HummelBerry in New York. Fuck it. And fuck you, Glee.

[tanita_mors]

As a general Glee viewer, I must confess that I not only loved this episode but thought that it was one of the best of the show. It felt complete, non of the songs were just there - all of them were perfectly integrated into the over all plot line, all the characters got their shining moment of screen time. The news about rejections felt real, because thousands of people get rejected every year (although from a purely logical point of view, in no way should Rachel get in before Kurt after being previously rejected). I didn't like the fact that the Beatles song was dedicated to Finn - they are overdoing it with the Finn worship, and the fact that Kurt dedicated his to the guys who mostly ridiculed him before. Cory, Chris and Lea very exeptional in all their scenes and I'm glad that Finn and the rest of the club made Rachel leave - it's a stupid reason to stay frankly. Finn in the army - didn't see it coming but it could be interesting. Single ladies were just EPIC and I loved the little trow backs to season 1 (and we got to hear Sit Dow Your Rocking The Boat in whole studio version).

If you all remember, I sort of told you that the cruelest joke would be if Kurt didn't get in in the end, and that is what happened. Now, as a Kurtsie, the whole experience of this IMO great episode was ruined with his rejection. He got nothing in the end. All the hard work and sacrifice and humiliation were for nothing. I don't hate Hummelberrry or Rachel, but I hate that her success came first and that everyone else's is just a footnote at this point in time.

Now, either Kurt will make it to NY by some magical event or last minute application to another school (maybe fashion) or all that Kurt and Rachel in NY talk was a misdirection for the shock of the final. Given that Finn wasn't mentioned and that we now know he is going into the army, maybe NY talk is still possible, but frankly this felt like a complete cop-out. The one low point of an otherwise great season ending IMO.

[BlueJazz]

^ Great post! I hope that I can be as calm as you All the emotions that I'm going through right now is not good for my health.

[Glorfindel]

I just threw up, for real. I never throw up because I hate doing that to my throat: I'd rather be sick for hours and swallow it back up, but now I just threw up.
It's so devastating.


I saw the episode.
Had I not known the outcome beforehand I would have enjoyed the beginning and middle of it so much. Burt's Single Ladies, the songs, Puck passing his test, graduation.
I'm actually glad I knew what was coming before I saw the episode. If I hadn't known the shock would have been even greater.

They ruined my enjoyment of the only 3 characters in Glee I was still invested in: Finn, Rachel and Kurt.
Even if Kurt still gets into NYADA, Hummelberry will be ruined too.
Thank God for the little Furt we got.
I don't even care about Klaine staying together or not, let alone them kissing.

I can't believe they did this to Kurt for cheap drama.

[tanita_mors]

Wasn't the theme of this season for Kurt "acceptance by others", because if it was, I think it completely failed. BIG TIME.

It's almost like this whole season has been a punishment for Chris in a way. All the storylines went sour and the endings were so unsatisfactory that it can't all be a coincidence. Maybe Chris and Cory weren't all that into the spin off and their reward - you stay in Lima forever.

I was more or less prepared for the Kurt outcome, so it wasn't a huge shock, but it wasn't any less impactful. As I said, Rachel's success is SO IMPORTANT that everything else is a fucking footnote. That was insulting, not just to Kurt fans, but to everyone else.

Maybe because I watch gazillion tv shows at once, all the crap that I hate sort of washes over, rather then for you guys who watch just Glee or one or two shows more.

If Chris is on my screens next year in every episode and with a screen time to rival the past 3 seasons, I'm watching no matter the plotline. I'm a Chris Colfer fan after all. But if they start that "one episode in one place, another in another", you can bet that only Chris/Kurt ones will be downloaded in my home.

[BlueJazz]

Fuck you, glee, for making Kurt dedicate his solo to all the guys that never hang out with him.

Fuck you, glee, for letting puck graduate while Brittany gets no help even though she fails.

Fuck you, glee, for making kurt's failure seems so insignificant compared to Rachel's. It seems like he deserves it because he's gay and effeminate and unattractive.

Fuck you, glee, for teaching us that stalking the dean after failing the audition is a clever move that'll give you a second chance.

Fuck you, glee, for giving all the seniors closure and they'll all get out of Lima while kurt, poor boy who wants to get out more than everyone else because his life there is basically hell, remain in Lima in the end.

Fuck you, glee, for making us always expect the worst from you yet you manage to make it even worse.

Fuck you, glee, for making me can't believe a word that Chris has said about Glee right now because you made him say all those sugar-coated words to crush our hopes and expectations in the end. I put all the blame to you instead of Chris.

In short, fuck everything about Glee.

[tanita_mors]

I got to say, I don't get the rage about Brittany. That girl is unbelievably stupid and retarded (yes I know it's not PC, but it's the truth). She is literary to dumb to live as far as I'm concerned. She is flunking all her classes. There isn't any amount of help that can get that one to pass. IMO, she shouldn't be going to a regular high school at all.

Puck is flunking one class and all he need was some encouragement and someone to believe in him that he isn't worthless.

[arina]

I got to say, I don't get the rage about Brittany. That girl is unbelievably stupid and retarded (yes I know it's not PC, but it's the truth). She is literary to dumb to live as far as I'm concerned. She is flunking all her classes. There isn't any amount of help that can get that one to pass. IMO, she shouldn't be going to a regular high school at all.

Puck is flunking one class and all he need was some encouragement and someone to believe in him that he isn't worthless.

I agree with it... In normal live Britanny could not have attend regular high school, I am to sure how she became senior at all.

[BlueJazz]

Oh, I'm not angry that she fails. I just don't understand why all the people, even Santana don't care that she can't graduate. I know that she is dumb but she still needs help from her friends and maybe transfer to a school that's more suitable for her level of intelligence next year. They could at least show us that. I just think that she deserves better treatment in the show.

BTW, how did she get the class president position?



I really need a hug after dealing with all this shit

[dap1217]

Tbh,I'm upset not because of Kurt,I'm sad and heartbroken because Chris has to act out this scene,he didn't want Kurt to become another punchbag gay character on TV,but the fact is Kurt is indeed RIB's punchbag.

[tanita_mors]

Go running or biking, or some type of exercise to expel the negativity and anger. That is what I do when I'm REALLY pissed off.

[dap1217]

^I already broke up my mug,actually I threw it on the floor cause I was too pissed off.

[happydays]

Gosh, I was sitting an exam today and couldn't stop raging. That didn't help me at all.

What pisses me off to no end is that not only did he not get in but it was absolutely ignored. Not only by his friends but by the show in general. It wasn't even a cliffhanger. There was no conflict. We don't know how he feels about it, what he's gonna do next. Failure - what a great wrap up for a character. No one was screwed as badly as he was.
One second they take away his purpose, then the next one have him waving Rachel off goodbye (with a smile) to meet hers. WTF???

Also, will the whole NYADA school be built for just Rachel alone? Isn't that a bit too much, even for their biggest star? If they don't get Kurt in there some way next year, I have no idea how they'll follow all the kids, even if everyone isn't featured in every single episode.

Ugh, I can't even be glad about the amazing first ten minutes and the perfect Kurt-Burt interaction because I'm devastated. There's no way they can make up for what they did.

[tanita_mors]

I just can't get over that one thing, and it's not really that it's about Kurt (I would be angry if it was any other character). A girl who flubed her audition and got a second chance got in, while a guy who aced his audition when it mattered didn't. How is anyone ever going to buy this ??? And it's such a condescending attempt at creating more drama, suspense and anguish. As if Kurt really needs any of those.

Glee : Logic - MOTHERFUCKING NON-EXISTENT.

[happydays]

I just can't get over that one thing, and it's not really that it's about Kurt (I would be angry if it was any other character). A girl who flubed her audition and got a second chance got in, while a guy who aced his audition when it mattered didn't. How is anyone ever going to buy this ??? And it's such a condescending attempt at creating more drama, suspense and anguish. As if Kurt really needs any of those.

Glee : Logic - MOTHERFUCKING NON-EXISTENT.

Yeah, I remember Carmen Tibodeaux's face after his audition (oh my, I'm not gonna be able to watch that episode again after this) and it was clear she made the decision to let him in then. Of course, she couldn't say it but she complimented him and didn't give any reproaches. Everything clearly led to him getting one victory in his life. But it was given to Rachel who was downright creepy with her muffin baskets and phone calls. She shouldn't have gotten in because of that alone.
It doesn't make sense.

[CloveGlee]

Well, in the light of day I realize that this was Kurt's car crash. In the first episode of next season he will tell us that he's enrolled as a fashion student at XYZ University in New Yorask and he's excited about his classes and he's living with Rachel. And that will be it. What we basically saw was a cliffhanger that said, "Oh, no! Rachel's primary support group didn't get into New York with her! However will they get there?"

Both Kurt and Finn are defined in how they support Rachel. Neither is important on his own, and they are both basically in the same boat. The other kids got wrapped up because they are less important to her.

[Delight]

The last episode of Glee has managed to do something it hasn't been able to for quite a while now--surprise me. And it's the nasty kind of surprise. They've officially wasted Kurt this entire season. All his struggles-- I repeat, ALL his struggles-- had ended in failure this season. Now I can't even re-watch his amazing NYADA audition performance without feeling kinda sick in the stomach; because he looked so happy and confident then, and all those positive feelings were premature.

If they didn't intend for Kurt to get into NYADA, the writers should've had Kurt not get the NYADA finalist letter at the start. At least then it's more plausible, because they had sort of stressed how woefully thin his resume had been for the first half of the season (by not getting a significant role in WSS, not getting the role of senior president etc). Why do they give Kurt all that hope of being a finalist and nailing his audition, only for him to not get into NYADA in the end? Okay, I can kinda accept that not everyone achieves their dreams, no matter how talented they may be. It's realistic. It's life. Sometimes things don't go the way you want them to. If Jesse St James didn't make it, it's not too far-fetched to think that Kurt wouldn't either.

However, if this show wants to be realistic, then Rachel wouldn't have been accepted into NYADA either. Maybe I'm ignorant here, since I don't work in this field at all, but is it possible for someone to choke during their audition like that and still get accepted? Do the stuff on the resume, such as Rachel Berry being the president of multiple clubs, matter more in the end? Or is this a case of Rachel's stalkerish behavior being 'rightfully' rewarded with a victory? (What kind of preposterous message are you sending out to the world, Glee writers?)

Surprisingly, I wasn't all that rage-y against Rachel after watching the episode. It did look she wasn't all that happy with her win and was willing to defer her dreams for the sake of Finn and Kurt (Gasp! Character growth for Rachel!). I'm just jealous that she had 3 episodes to have her woe-is-me and give-me-a-second-chance comeback, ending with a positive outcome in the end; whereas Kurt got nothing. He wasn't allowed to show his happiness when he 'succeeded', and he wasn't allowed to show his sadness when he failed. I admit that there are many Kurt scenes in the last episode-- the Kurt/Burt scene, the Klaine scene, the solo... but all those scenes couldn't make up for the fact that Kurt was shown to fail and then we got nothing after that. Tune in for the next season of Glee, folks, if you want to find out the fate of your favourite characters! Cheap move, Glee. Please stop using Kurt as your personal whipping boy.

Oh, and Kurt dedicating his song to the ND guys is ridiculous beyond belief (definitely a WTF moment for me), especially in light of how they've glaringly omitted Kurt in all the bromancing scenes.

I'm starting to feel like I need to distance myself from my attachment to Kurt. Not because I care about him less, but because caring about him too much is PAINFUL.

I will still continue to care about Chris though. Ultimately, Kurt is fictional, and Chris is real. Let the fictional character be the one dealt with blow after blow of failure and disappointment.

I desperately need Chris's non-Glee projects to cheer me up.

[kac]

I really only watched this show for two, possibly three characters (Kurt, Rachel, maybe Finn).

This episode spoiled my two favourites. I still like Kurt, but the storyline is too depressing and I don't need that in my life. The episode made me not care or really like Rachel, and I am sad for that, but I no longer care for her. She is perfect and has always gotten what she wanted accompanied by whining, begging, have to be told how terrific she is. It took one episode and now I dislike her, not hate, more like total disinterest, I've had enough of her.

This show is not worth watching for only one character. Unless you guys say how great the show is next season, I'll not be watching. But I will keep up with the rest of Chris' projects here. That is one good thing Glee has done, it made me aware of him.

[BlueJazz]

^ Great post, Delight! Pretty much said everything that I feel about the finale.

And I personally think that RIB's decision of making a "cliffhanger" for kurt in order to attract Kurtsies to tune in for next season is pretty dumb People are getting more and more offended, it's no longer funny and some of them may quit. Are they seriously expecting us to continue support this trainwreck called Glee after spending the whole season giving us nothing but several fingers and "fuck you"s ?

[valkeakuulas]

Seven hours later and I'm thinking I can't ever watch Season 3 or Goodbye episode ever again. This last episode has completely tarnished the few good memories I have of this season. Like apparently many I'm not even mad about Kurt not getting into NYADA but giving us nothing to show his reaction to that letter. Why? Did Brad not feel like writing it? Do we get a Hummel break-down in the first episode of Season 4? Why bring back Mike O'Malley and Romy Rosemont and not give them any scenes with Furt after the acceptance letters? Even a five year old would find this stupid, more things are explained and showed in Dora the Explorer and Maisy the Mouse.

I'm just so asthonished that Glee would allow such failure happen without showing any of the consequences or reactions. (Even bad writing can acknowlegde things, don't the writers know this?) I'm going circles trying to find some sort of reason for this stupidity. And just like BlueJazz said, I don't think some of hardcore Kurtsies will return next season, you can only flip the finger so many times...

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