Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 12

[AnneNeville]

4x20 spoilers.

Santana's dream is to dance. She talks to Isabelle about this, mentions taking a ballet class as a child and finally feeling like she fit in somewhere.

She has two jobs: waitressing at Coyote Ugly and cage dancing.

Kurt and Rachel find out about Santana's job via a Tina phone call. We see the call. They're concerned for her.

The little Santana/Rachel/Kurt flashbacks are about them sharing childhood stories; They were not friends as little kids.

Santana talks to her younger self.

We learn that Santana was a tomboy and that's why her parents signed her up for ballet.

She ends the episode taking (extension) dance classes at NYADA. We see her in the class.


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There's a slushee montage during Everbody Hurts.

Sam's song is about his parents.

No mention of Brittany.

ONTD_Glee

So Santana now wants to be a dancer and gets into NYADA, the most exclusive musical theatre school eva.
This is what you get when Ryan Murphy gets 'obsessed' with something like SJP singing 'At The Ballet': the characters/storylines have to accommodate a song, instead of a song accommodating characters and their storylines. How is he still employed as a show runner?


I hate that Kurt hardly ever gets to sing, plus 'his' guest star and only personal storyline keeps getting hijacked by other characters (which is nothing against Santana and Rachel personally), but I fully see the irony that his loss means Santana's 'gain' of getting stuck in a (future) storyline that doesn't really fit her character and was never even mentioned in the canon before.

And lol, who wants to take a bet on which ND kids do not get slushied during 'Everybody Hurts'?

This is dumb. But at least the classes are *extention*. Lots of schools rake in the money through continuing education classes. Harvard, too. So I can buy that a performance school might do "night classes" taught by students (Yay, BRODY is now Santana's teacher! YAY! Kick her butt!) to bring in the moolah.

[AnneNeville]

What is so bad about bartending and cage-dancing? Come on, it is not the worst idea for Santana to earn money. Nothing wrong with those jobs.

Nothing so bad about bartending and cage-dancing. Of course, the show does have to slut-shame. Even Santana had objections to Rachel doing a topless scene. And although I know cage-dancing is not being an escort, I cannot help but roll my eyes because just a few weeks ago Santana got Brody's face smashed by Finn for being a sex worker. Plus, Santana has a sex-tape (though non-consensually released) floating around.

Sam was a stripper.

Work on the sex-work-spectrum: only makes you irredeemable if the producers want to make Finn look good.

[AnneNeville]

Bahaha, the Glee club gets slushied . Suddenly they are outsiders again after presenting them an entire season as kings and queens from MK. The writers really dig thmselve some graves. They will never, ever convince again that ND are outsiders. Unless they start casting characters S1 style again and fire all the current kids.

I wrote this last week: Glee: Outcasts? No, but they could be …

::sigh::

If only they hadn't written themselves into that hole, they could have an interesting cast.

[Ranwing]

This is dumb. But at least the classes are *extention*. Lots of schools rake in the money through continuing education classes. Harvard, too. So I can buy that a performance school might do "night classes" taught by students (Yay, BRODY is now Santana's teacher! YAY! Kick her butt!) to bring in the moolah.

I take cooking classes at the Institute of Culinary Education in NY. They offer non-degree, recreational classes, as do most culinary schools.

The question for me is how is taking a recreational dance class (what this extention class would be) is going to help Santana in her carrer as a professional? And in all seriousness, if Santana has not been taking serious dance training throughout her teen years, the odds of her going pro are really slim unless she is a real prodigy and I don't think the show has many any effort to show Santana's deep love of dance in four seasons. Especially if ballet is going to be her goal. I see girls studying with the American Ballet Theater going home on the trains every day and they live and breathe ballet every single day. Speaking from my own dance experience, it's not something you can just pick up on a whim when you're 18. Hell, at 18, most of these girls have already been signed with major companies if they are ever going to be.

[AnneNeville]

This is dumb. But at least the classes are *extention*. Lots of schools rake in the money through continuing education classes. Harvard, too. So I can buy that a performance school might do "night classes" taught by students (Yay, BRODY is now Santana's teacher! YAY! Kick her butt!) to bring in the moolah.

I take cooking classes at the Institute of Culinary Education in NY. They offer non-degree, recreational classes, as do most culinary schools.

The question for me is how is taking a recreational dance class (what this extention class would be) is going to help Santana in her carrer as a professional? And in all seriousness, if Santana has not been taking serious dance training throughout her teen years, the odds of her going pro are really slim unless she is a real prodigy and I don't think the show has many any effort to show Santana's deep love of dance in four seasons. Especially if ballet is going to be her goal. I see girls studying with the American Ballet Theater going home on the trains every day and they live and breathe ballet every single day. Speaking from my own dance experience, it's not something you can just pick up on a whim when you're 18. Hell, at 18, most of these girls have already been signed with major companies if they are ever going to be.

::nods::

If we buy that Santana is a natural talent, I suppose you could pretend that being a cheerleader for Sue would have kept her limber, at least. Right? But that's a stretch . . .

It makes me ask: Why is RIB choosing a path for Santana that is sure to expose Naya's weaknesses? You should work *with* a performer's skill-set, not against it.

[Ranwing]

::nods::

If we buy that Santana is a natural talent, I suppose you could pretend that being a cheerleader for Sue would have kept her limber, at least. Right? But that's a stretch . . .

It makes me ask: Why is RIB choosing a path for Santana that is sure to expose Naya's weaknesses? You should work *with* a performer's skill-set, not against it.

Well, the show has a long and storied history of doing just that. They've been trying to tell us for three years that Rachel is the biggest triple threat ever, except for that inconvinent fact that Lea is - and I'm being very generous here - a very basic dancer with poor form and no real natural sense of movement that would allow me to suspend disbelief enough to accept that she's a better dancer than I'm actually seeing. Unforunately that all came apart when they spent the first half of season 4 with Rachel in dance classes where there was just no hiding the fact that she can handle just basic choreography and nothing more.

Naya has some nice movements from what little actual dancing that we've actually seen out of her, and she likely has a better natural sense of movement than Lea does, but there's no evidence that she can come across as having both the natural talent and the training to look like someone with the potential to go pro. And nothing in Santana's backstory up until now to hint that outside of the Cheerios that she was taking any other dance training.

[AnneNeville]

::nods::

If we buy that Santana is a natural talent, I suppose you could pretend that being a cheerleader for Sue would have kept her limber, at least. Right? But that's a stretch . . .

It makes me ask: Why is RIB choosing a path for Santana that is sure to expose Naya's weaknesses? You should work *with* a performer's skill-set, not against it.

Well, the show has a long and storied history of doing just that. They've been trying to tell us for three years that Rachel is the biggest triple threat ever, except for that inconvinent fact that Lea is - and I'm being very generous here - a very basic dancer with poor form and no real natural sense of movement that would allow me to suspend disbelief enough to accept that she's a better dancer than I'm actually seeing. Unforunately that all came apart when they spent the first half of season 4 with Rachel in dance classes where there was just no hiding the fact that she can handle just basic choreography and nothing more.

Naya has some nice movements from what little actual dancing that we've actually seen out of her, and she likely has a better natural sense of movement than Lea does, but there's no evidence that she can come across as having both the natural talent and the training to look like someone with the potential to go pro. And nothing in Santana's backstory up until now to hint that outside of the Cheerios that she was taking any other dance training.

::nodding::

I'm afraid my performance critiques across threads today will make me seem like too much of a negative nancy, and for that I apologize. I'm shocked at the Santana-as-dancer storyline, though, and I think it has super-sensitized me.

[Lottie2303]

I love Santana but I also don't get the arc. It is the same with Puck suddenly screenwriting or Quinn studying acting. Why do all the kids have to be successful within the entertainment industry? It is ridiculous.

Also, a Coyote Ugly style bar actually invites so many great opportunities to create storylines, gather the gang together by letting it be a hang out spot and to introduce create secondary/background characters.

I really don't get the writers anymore. Nothing makes sense.

[Divalicious]

I wouldn't be surprised if they slushie all the newbies, simply for the reason to "prove" that they've been underdogs all season, we just didn't notice it because of all their perfection.

I do like the idea that Kurt being out of NY is also a story device so Rachel doesn't have her most reasoned support person, Kurt, available. It sounds nicer than Kurt merely hanging out while Blaine works up the nerve, and has about a dozen scenes without Kurt, to propose to Kurt.

Just say no, Kurt. Just say no. No, you're not ready. No, I'm not ready. No, you don't have a job. No, Adam just asked me to go steady and I said yes, and I was just trying to find the right moment to tell you it was over for good. In fact, you can say that last line twice, if you would be so good.

Santana as a dancer, just a reason to have Brittney cameo next year. It is too specific, and Santana's strength is her voice and stage presence. As a dancer, she is just one in the crowd. Sadly, even though they might start her off as a "dancer" she will still get more songs than Kurt. I also think Kurt does choreography much better than the majority of the cast. His self-styled stuff, more of a shimmy shake goodball dancing, but his actual planned dances have good timing and shows off those amazing legs (and butt). I could accept this if she needed Kurt as the occasional dance partner for classes, hmmm. More likely they will do what they did before, nameless skilled dancers to do the moves behind her while she walks around in something tight with high heels.

This show really has no idea which sex symbols it should promote, and whom is actually a sex symbol to the audience. Check your fan fiction, writers, there is one individual in particular who is most promiscuous, because the audience is dying for you to notice Kurt has become sexy.

[AnneNeville]

I wouldn't be surprised if they slushie all the newbies, simply for the reason to "prove" that they've been underdogs all season, we just didn't notice it because of all their perfection.

I do like the idea that Kurt being out of NY is also a story device so Rachel doesn't have her most reasoned support person, Kurt, available. It sounds nicer than Kurt merely hanging out while Blaine works up the nerve, and has about a dozen scenes without Kurt, to propose to Kurt.

Just say no, Kurt. Just say no. No, you're not ready. No, I'm not ready. No, you don't have a job. No, Adam just asked me to go steady and I said yes, and I was just trying to find the right moment to tell you it was over for good. In fact, you can say that last line twice, if you would be so good.

Santana as a dancer, just a reason to have Brittney cameo next year. It is too specific, and Santana's strength is her voice and stage presence. As a dancer, she is just one in the crowd. Sadly, even though they might start her off as a "dancer" she will still get more songs than Kurt. I also think Kurt does choreography much better than the majority of the cast. His self-styled stuff, more of a shimmy shake goodball dancing, but his actual planned dances have good timing and shows off those amazing legs (and butt). I could accept this if she needed Kurt as the occasional dance partner for classes, hmmm. More likely they will do what they did before, nameless skilled dancers to do the moves behind her while she walks around in something tight with high heels.

This show really has no idea which sex symbols it should promote, and whom is actually a sex symbol to the audience. Check your fan fiction, writers, there is one individual in particular who is most promiscuous, because the audience is dying for you to notice Kurt has become sexy.

Wouldn't it stink if Kurt got a callback he couldn't go to because he was at home with Burt (of course, his father being ill is a good reason for him to decide NOT to audition in the first place)?

Agree about the sex symbol thing. But I think the show is afraid of Kurt/Chris as sex symbol. It is too challenging to our cultural expectations of what is desirable.

[sheny]

[Lottie2303]

"I want to propose to Kurt!" --- I want to punch something! I cannot even see Blaines face anymore without being annoyed. Run, Kurt, run!

[ChrisColferFan1]

"I want to propose to Kurt!" --- I want to punch something! I cannot even see Blaines face anymore without being annoyed. Run, Kurt, run!

I agree, I hope Kurt runs too.

[sheny]

The only thing I see in these gifs is how cute Kurt is. I'm not bothered by that Burt/Blaine scene at all. I stopped caring about Glee and my life is so much easier. Now I watch it only because Chris so gorgeous and I love seeing him on my screen once in a while. The writers suck so I don't expect quality storylines from this show anymore.

[valkeakuulas]

"Old flames rekindled" I hate how blatantly they use Kurt and Blaine to sell this ep. Which will probably be all about Blaine looking lovingly his ex from across the room.

Why not trying first to fix something in that old flame. Although Kurt looks happy for that nano-second he is shown with Blaine. I'm not saying he's happy just about Blaine being in his arms, but happy nevertheless. Kurt just has to be happy by the end of this season or I'll lose my faith in Glee ever making him have anything own in his life. This proposal is going to come out of the blue for him...especially if Burt encourages Blaine go ahead with this crap.

BTW, happy to see that Burt is well enough to be at McKinley fitting clothes, so cancer won't at least be his demise...maybe Blaine's request will make him so angry that they'll dig up his heart problems again. Oh, I'm going to go with that one, I just dislike Blaine so much at this time.

He'll deliberately anger Burt enough so that he'll be out of the game of talking to Kurt and hence making Kurt trapped in Lima and more susceptible for his proposal. He has no one to turn to since Rachel and Santana are at NY, Adam's too new to be even be considered, Burt in hospital, Carol worried about Burt and the ND already thinks Blaine is a god and according to Glee Mercedes and Kurt aren't besties anymore. Perfect situation for Blaine to attack and shackle Kurt down. (I do see Blaine this deviant though, even when I now re-read that, no don't feel bad imagining that his character could do that. Blarren stans would love to get their hands on me for even thinking that about their golden boy.)

I'll just trust none of this insanity goes ahead, but I feel strongly it might be Kurt's "big cliffhanger" for this year: If Blaine proposes is Kurt's cliffhanger!

[Lottie2303]

I start to wonder if Glee for once actually thought this through and plans for them not reuniting. They have two more years to work with, so it makes for dramatic purposes no sense to reunite them now. Adam may get a more prominent role in S5 and Blaine does whatever he wants to do. But they need to give valid reasons to the audience (aka: Klainers) to satisfy them so they switch back to Glee in autumn without having to address every episode why they are not dating again. Klainers are insisted so they first use a sledgehammer to point out that Blaine and Kurt don’t work together as couple. A proposal is actually such an out-of-there, utterly ridiculous and HATED (!!!) idea, that for that purpose, it actually fits perfectly.

They have shown us in the last episodes that Kurt AND Blaine are actually very capable to be apart and interested in different people. Kurt and Blaine haven’t mentioned each other at all in the last episodes. However the episodes after the break-up, they were always somehow integrated in each other’s life, even if only by tiny mentions. I’d give Glee some props for realism.

Also Glee is all about benefiting Darren and Blaine. That is a true and sad fact. They don’t want to reunite him with Kurt, but they don’t want to dismiss the fact that anyone opposite of Chris shines. Chris isn’t allowed to act without Lea or Darren present, but the internet is outraged about his dismissal usage in S4. By letting them be friends again, without the hassle of always writing and repeating about the break-up, they can get that dynamic and screentime back.

So maybe it is all “oh we are in same place again, memories resurface, I miss you so much!” which will lead to “You are the love of my life! Let’s marry!” to “We really are not working anymore. This was just a last and desperate attempt to re-live our first love. But we have to accept it is over.” It sounds LOGICAL and REALISTIC. Glee, please be brave, ditch the endgame and go there.

In case they are intelligent they will finally give Kurt some scenes where he can show his side of the story and emotions. Heck, include some flashbacks so the Kurt fanbase can stop complaining about his lack of POV. They shouldn’t just appease the Klainers, but also the Kurtsies. In best case, it is Kurt who realizes he loves Blaine but isn’t in love anymore. Hence, an epic and emotional scene in best case with a tearful ‘goodbye’ at the very end. The audience cries, the internet will explode and the media will most likely talk. Also Chris and Darren have an epic last scene and may receive some recognition. In my head, it makes perfect sense.

[AnneNeville]

The only thing I see in these gifs is how cute Kurt is. I'm not bothered by that Burt/Blaine scene at all. I stopped caring about Glee and my life is so much easier. Now I watch it only because Chris so gorgeous and I love seeing him on my screen once in a while. The writers suck so I don't expect quality storylines from this show anymore.

Random: Why are Mike and Will's shirts so similar, costume people?

[opals]

Is it my wishful thinking, or does Blaine look half psycho when he says "I would like to ask Kurt to marry me."?

[AnneNeville]

Is it my wishful thinking, or does Blaine look half psycho when he says "I would like to ask Kurt to marry me."?

He does look nuts. And Burt looks appalled. But that doesn't mean that the scene will turn out the way we'd like. It could just be Mike O'M. throwing shade on the scene he has to play and Darren being Darren.

[tanita_mors]

also, may i point out that blaine was checking that guy out at sue's aerobics class.

he is totally ready for marriage and commitment.

(not that there is anything wrong with checking people out even when you are in committed relationship and love someone because it's in human nature to look at someone they find attractive, but you all understand what i'm saying).

[Glorfindel]

^Yup, noticed that too. And he wasn't just checking him out, he was flirting with him:



So ready to get married.

[brisallie]

also, may i point out that blaine was checking that guy out at sue's aerobics class.

he is totally ready for marriage and commitment.

(not that there is anything wrong with checking people out even when you are in committed relationship and love someone because it's in human nature to look at someone they find attractive, but you all understand what i'm saying).

I understand Tanita. And I saw that too, and I'm agree there nothing wrong with checking out people, but... they have told us for weeks Blaine is so in love with Kurt and he regrets so much what he did, that he realized he can't be without him, so that why he's asking to marry him. WTF

[AnneNeville]

^Yup, noticed that too. And he wasn't just checking him out, he was flirting with him:



So ready to get married.

UGH.

[SippyCupofLuv]

^Yup, noticed that too. And he wasn't just checking him out, he was flirting with him:



So ready to get married.

THANK YOU! So much for posting these gifs. I've been needing them for a pesky anon on my tumblr who is determined excuse the scene away.

Apparently Blaine didn't respond to the flirting. Huh. Looks like Blaine's STARTING it to me. He looked first.

And yeah, there's nothing inherently wrong with checking out someone attractive. It's just the context here and with next week. But K(B)lainers don't seem to get deeper implications... of anything, actually. Or how "perception" is a building block of the narrative. 'Reality shorthand'.

Just because people may check out attractive people while in a relationship or 'loving' someone else, doesn't mean it works like that in storytelling, in THIS sort of context.

Our perception is Blaine's checking out some other guy a week before he's deciding to propose to Kurt. Several weeks after he sang a love song to Sam and then tried to pass it off as if to Kurt to hide that it was for Sam.

And yet he still declares he's "hopelessly devoted" to his 'one-and-only-meant-to-be-eternity'-Kurt. All while minimizing Kurt's feelings and own declarations of 'just friends' and that he's 'kind of dating' someone in NY (now likely actually dating) and Blaine's panting after OTHER guys.

I'm really hoping that how much it looks like RIB are continuing to undermine Blaine and Klaine, it's leading somewhere good for Kurt, for the show, and for us... with the final death knell of Klaine, even if they still feel the need to string Klainers along (until most of them have finally moved on.)

[AnneNeville]

^Yup, noticed that too. And he wasn't just checking him out, he was flirting with him:



So ready to get married.

THANK YOU! So much for posting these gifs. I've been needing them for a pesky anon on my tumblr who is determined excuse the scene away.

Apparently Blaine didn't respond to the flirting. Huh. Looks like Blaine's STARTING it to me. He looked first.

And yeah, there's nothing inherently wrong with checking out someone attractive. It's just the context here and with next week. But K(B)lainers don't seem to get deeper implications... of anything, actually. Or how "perception" is a building block of the narrative. 'Reality shorthand'.

Just because people may check out attractive people while in a relationship or 'loving' someone else, doesn't mean it works like that in storytelling, in THIS sort of context.

Our perception is Blaine's checking out some other guy a week before he's deciding to propose to Kurt. Several weeks after he sang a love song to Sam and then tried to pass it off as if to Kurt to hide that it was for Sam.

And yet he still declares he's "hopelessly devoted" to his 'one-and-only-meant-to-be-eternity'-Kurt. All while minimizing Kurt's feelings and own declarations of 'just friends' and that he's 'kind of dating' someone in NY (now likely actually dating) and Blaine's panting after OTHER guys.

I'm really hoping that how much it looks like RIB are continuing to undermine Blaine and Klaine, it's leading somewhere good for Kurt, for the show, and for us... with the final death knell of Klaine, even if they still feel the need to string Klainers along (until most of them have finally moved on.)

Perhaps the one leaving forever is Blaine. And not to go to NYC. They sure are assassinating his already-awful character. And he really is beginning to seem unbalanced. And he is bringing down everyone who associates with him too closely (Sam, Tina).

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