Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 11

[Glorfindel]

^Yes, it is ridiculous how they are trying to break Adam (and Oliver) down.
Kadam have no chemistry together, Adam is 1) too old, 2) seems desperate, 3) pushy, 4) delusional, 5) is trying too hard to be nice (WTF? ).

And Kurt is of course still firmly in denial, neglecting and cold to Blaine, playing Adam, and even been called a lying liar that lies by someone (who really does not like him).


I don't see peace on the boards: I see shippers and fans of only one location digging their heels in even more firmly.

[Lottie2303]

^Yes, it is ridiculous how they are trying to break Adam (and Oliver) down.
Kadam have no chemistry together, Adam is 1) too old, 2) seems desperate, 3) pushy, 4) delusional, 5) is trying too hard to be nice (WTF? ).

And Kurt is of course still firmly in denial, neglecting and cold to Blaine, playing Adam, and even been called a lying liar that lies by someone (who really does not like him).


I don't see peace on the boards: I see shippers and fans of only one location digging their heels in even more firmly.

Translation: they are terrified, because people respond to Adam. So they try to find negative things (i.e. his age). Even though, Glee is notorious to stick to the endgame scheme. They'd be happy that Kurt gets a storyline and at the end, they have the knowledge that Kurt chooses Blaine even when he had a great alternative (this is my logical, non-shipping, storyline focused mind speaking!).

[Sani]

I am getting fed up with some people that say oliver has no chemistry with chris. This is elsewhere, and is annoying.

Chemistry is very subjective. I for one don't see much chemistry between them (at least the romantic kind), I do like their scenes and think they are cute together, but they lack certain kind of spark, imo.

[arina]

I also don't see romantic chemistry between Chris and Oliver, but it's really very subjective. And I personally don't see it between Chris and Darren either (except maybe like BICO) so I am always suprised by people talking about their legendary chemistry... but again, it's really subjective.

[Divalicious]

I admit I was hoping to see more chemistry, I do see lots of talent, on both sides, though. We also have to remember that Klaine seemed more like besties for most of season 3, and I really only saw the chemistry when they had a strong interaction. Same thing may be with Adam, until we get to see them more than a close up of hand holding we may not see any passionate type chemistry. Chemistry is also subjective, I occasionally see the chemistry in certain other pairings, but there are some that people wax poetic on and I am just saying "not seeing it". The situation also helps, the times that Adam has been flirty, they apparently have downplayed, so Kurt's reaction is downplayed as well.

I am waiting (dammithoping) for a Adam shirtless scene and Kurt just going all wide eyed on those lovely muscles and finding his inner penguin dying a fiery death never to be resurrected. I think a lot of the more superficial fandom will be on the Kadam boat just to keep the new hot guy. Whatever it takes. I just like his screen presence, and feel it adds to Glee, and hope they keep him whether he gets back with Blaine, or not.

[MoviesAreLife]

Shouldn't the Klainers/Blainers be GLAD that Kurt has moved on? Isn't he "not good enough" for their favorite hobbit?

I think Chris just adores working opposite someone new for a change.

[MoviesAreLife]

I admit I was hoping to see more chemistry, I do see lots of talent, on both sides, though. We also have to remember that Klaine seemed more like besties for most of season 3, and I really only saw the chemistry when they had a strong interaction. Same thing may be with Adam, until we get to see them more than a close up of hand holding we may not see any passionate type chemistry. Chemistry is also subjective, I occasionally see the chemistry in certain other pairings, but there are some that people wax poetic on and I am just saying "not seeing it". The situation also helps, the times that Adam has been flirty, they apparently have downplayed, so Kurt's reaction is downplayed as well.

I am waiting (dammithoping) for a Adam shirtless scene and Kurt just going all wide eyed on those lovely muscles and finding his inner penguin dying a fiery death never to be resurrected. I think a lot of the more superficial fandom will be on the Kadam boat just to keep the new hot guy. Whatever it takes. I just like his screen presence, and feel it adds to Glee, and hope they keep him whether he gets back with Blaine, or not.

Oh, I think he has long ago. I mean, the boy who couldn't even say the word "porn" went to see Showgirls (along with All About Eve) with Blaine in the I Do episode. Holy crap.

[ColferGirl]

^Yes, it is ridiculous how they are trying to break Adam (and Oliver) down.
Kadam have no chemistry together, Adam is 1) too old, 2) seems desperate, 3) pushy, 4) delusional, 5) is trying too hard to be nice (WTF? ).

And Kurt is of course still firmly in denial, neglecting and cold to Blaine, playing Adam, and even been called a lying liar that lies by someone (who really does not like him).


I don't see peace on the boards: I see shippers and fans of only one location digging their heels in even more firmly.

More so than the Adam hate, I can't stand the ridiculous ways some Klainers keep trying to blame and hate on Kurt. For nothing. They scream they want Kurt to talk about his feelings toward Blaine, but what he does say they completely ignore. Kurt TOLD Blaine *4 times* they're just friends in I Do - he wasn't leading him on, he wasn't being cold, they both knew where Kurt stood. And the show hasn't shown either of them talking as friends before or after that episode since Christmas, so I have no idea how Kurt could be "neglectful and cold" to him without saying that BLAINE is also being cold and neglectful.

And though some Klainers are ignoring it, Kurt TOLD Adam that he desperately wants to get over Blaine. And to emphasize it, he added "Really, I do." How is that playing Adam? He was being honest that he's not over his ex, but he wants to be - Adam knows that he's entering a relationship with a lot of brokenness and baggage. But he's going through with it anyway, because Kurt is worth it. This isn't Kurt lying to Adam. This is how Kurt honestly feels. It's some Klainers' problem if they don't want to accept what Kurt is saying, or are interpreting him wildly different than what the dialogue conveys - that doesn't make him a liar or in denial. You can still love someone but want to move on from them. Humans are complicated. Kurt is real and complicated, and Glee's portraying him as such. He's not in denial for the simple fact that he says himself he wants to be over Blaine - meaning he knows he's not quite there yet.

Instead of being pissed at Kurt all the time, I wish they'd be pissed for once that apparently just being sorry for what you did is enough of a "redemption" for Blaine's cheating, and now all Blaine has to do is sit and wait around for Kurt to crawl back to him. Which I hate. Blaine should have to do something to earn back his love and trust, and I'm not talking about begging on hands and knees just any action that would prove his loyalty and devotion, would prove he can be trusted again, and that he's willing to do whatever it takes to heal their relationship. I hate how this is apparently all going to be on Kurt in the end, Kurt's going to have to work to fix the relationship when Blaine won't have to do anything, at least how the story's been set up so far.

I know I'm preaching to the choir here but it just irritates me I have to rant somewhere.

[sheny]

Shouldn't the Klainers/Blainers be GLAD that Kurt has moved on? Isn't he "not good enough" for their favorite hobbit?

I think Chris just adores working opposite someone new for a change.

They would be happy if Blaine was the one moving on with a new guy and Kurt was lonely and pining after Blaine. Instead of that Blaine is singing sad songs about his ex boyfriend, his love and devotion for Kurt and has a pathetic crush on his straight best bro in the same time.

Just yesterday I read a comment on AfterElton how cold Kurt is and how Blaine deserves something better. Someone who is kind and perfect like him and who will love him the way he loves Kurt, but because according to them Kurt has no heart he can't love Blaine the way he deserves to be loved. I didn't know if I should get angry or just laugh, because this is one of the stupidest things a Blaine can say.

How can someone think Kurt is cold especially after the CWM scene. His face was heartbreaking. Cold people don't cry remembering their ex boyfriends, the songs they used to sing together or the plans they made for the future, they just forget and move on.

And Blaine sure deserves somebody a lot different from Kurt. He deserves someone who is exactly like Blaine himself. If that's what that commenter wanted Blaine should be with somebody who will make him sit on a stool a watch while they sing, dance and flirt with everything around. Somebody who will exchange not so family friendly texts with a guy who only wants to get in their pants. Somebody who will cheat on him with the first Facebook stranger after 3 weeks of separation. Somebody who will promise Blaine a life together, but will have a crush on their best friend behind his back.

[Divalicious]

Shouldn't the Klainers/Blainers be GLAD that Kurt has moved on? Isn't he "not good enough" for their favorite hobbit?

I think Chris just adores working opposite someone new for a change.

They would be happy if Blaine was the one moving on with a new guy and Kurt was lonely and pining after Blaine. Instead of that Blaine is singing sad songs about his ex boyfriend, his love and devotion for Kurt and has a pathetic crush on his straight best bro in the same time.

Just yesterday I read a comment on AfterElton how cold Kurt is and how Blaine deserves something better. Someone who is kind and perfect like him and who will love him the way he loves Kurt, but because according to them Kurt has no heart he can't love Blaine the way he deserves to be loved. I didn't know if I should get angry or just laugh, because this is one of the stupidest things a Blaine can say.

How can someone think Kurt is cold especially after the CWM scene. His face was heartbreaking. Cold people don't cry remembering their ex boyfriends, the songs they used to sing together or the plans they made for the future, they just forget and move on.

And Blaine sure deserves somebody a lot different from Kurt. He deserves someone who is exactly like Blaine himself. If that's what that commenter wanted Blaine should be with somebody who will make him sit on a stool a watch while they sing, dance and flirt with everything around. Somebody who will exchange not so family friendly texts with a guy who only wants to get in their pants. Somebody who will cheat on him with the first Facebook stranger after 3 weeks of separation. Somebody who will promise Blaine a life together, but will have a crush on their best friend behind his back.

They are using a lot of the exposition that the writers had Tina spout at the not-wedding. "We're all human, Kurt," proving to the stans that the writers forgave Blaine, Tina forgives him, because she mentions the cheating, but Kurt is being mean because he puts his own heart above Blaine's needs. Yes, he looks cold to someone with that very narrow point of view. Blaine is suffering, but he is also surrounded by friends, crushing on people, having people crush on him. He is also the cause of his own suffering, and it isn't Kurt's job to make him feel better.

So Blaine deserves someone nice like he is, someone affable, sex on a stick. Someone who will cheat on him when Blaine stops singing and dancing. Someone who doesn't mind making Blaine feel bad the moment he doesn't live up to his expectations of isolation from all other gay males, but doesn't keep the same standard for himself. Please, yes, let's give Blaine this person, so he realizes just how much hurt you can dispense when you jump into bed with someone you don't even know just because the one you "love" isn't about or calling you daily to tell you that.

In which case we should give someone like Kurt to Kurt. Loyal, sexy, intelligent, talented. Can be a little self-centered, but is always there for his friends. Can be a little snarky, but has a big, forgiving heart to go with it. A bit competitive, but doesn't lord it over when he wins, and gracefully loses. Yes, let's do that too.

[fantastica]

people make such a big fuss over "chemistry", but it's a very complex and misleading term. how 2 people feel about each other "chemically" has nothing to do w/ how a third party see how compatible that couple is. the people involved can not only "sniff" the mysterious pheromones secreted by each other they get to inject their very own feelings into every glance, every movement, tone of voice, etc in the feedback loop. for audiences to "see" any chemistry of a couple on the screen is physically impossible, but can be tricked if the scene is written and acted to carefully imitate the outward manifest of a romantic "chemistry". First of all, the script has to be written well enough to make you feel that the dialogues/behaviors/interactions between the couple seem genuinely from 2 people in love. then you have the actors using their tone of voice, body language, subtle facial expressions and other skills to project "love".

In the last episode we have both Klaine and Kadam. you may "see" the chemistry if you believe in such a fictional relationship, but it's perfectly fine if you don't, because teh scenes are written w/o any real PDA between either couples - there's no kissing, no intimate body contact, no passionate conversations... kadam does seem to get along great but w/o any sign of intimacy (close up of that losely held hands at the end doesn't count) it's no wonder some of us can't "see" any romantic "chemistry".

remember that even if the romantic feelings between 2 individuals are real (lea and cory for example), many people may still fail to "see" the "chemistry" in between them, not because the 2 are bad actors, but because these audiences are not personally invested in their relationship, and/or not feeling emotionally pulled in by either of the characters. all this "chemistry" thing is mainly your mind doing tricks on you. Faberry shippers insists that they "see" clear chemistry between Lea and Dianna, and not between Lea and Cory, based on some pap photos. Similarly CC shippers "see" all kinds of things and none of the others. we are all very subjective animals. whatever image our eyes physically detect must be interpreted by our brains before we can actually "see" anything, and we know how unreliable and biased our mind can be.

[Glorfindel]

Shouldn't the Klainers/Blainers be GLAD that Kurt has moved on? Isn't he "not good enough" for their favorite hobbit?

They are just pissed that Kurt could prefer someone else over their perfect teenage dreamboat.

I think Chris just adores working opposite someone new for a change.

I think Chris just adores working opposite someone new who can act for a change.

And though some Klainers are ignoring it, Kurt TOLD Adam that he desperately wants to get over Blaine. And to emphasize it, he added "Really, I do." How is that playing Adam? He was being honest that he's not over his ex, but he wants to be - Adam knows that he's entering a relationship with a lot of brokenness and baggage. But he's going through with it anyway, because Kurt is worth it. This isn't Kurt lying to Adam. This is how Kurt honestly feels. It's some Klainers' problem if they don't want to accept what Kurt is saying, or are interpreting him wildly different than what the dialogue conveys - that doesn't make him a liar or in denial. You can still love someone but want to move on from them. Humans are complicated. Kurt is real and complicated, and Glee's portraying him as such. He's not in denial for the simple fact that he says himself he wants to be over Blaine - meaning he knows he's not quite there yet.

Yes, this pisses me off too. They say that Kurt is lying or in denial, or a combination of both, and they never just take Kurt's word for what he truly is feeling (or at least figured out he thinks he's feeling).
Kurt made his decision, and yes, at the moment that decision is mostly made by his mind than his heart, but that's alright. It's a (very mature) way of dealing with a situation like this. He's simply trying to move on.

Why is it that so many people do not take Kurt's own words for what he really feels? So far Kurt never said anything he doesn't mean (except perhaps for his relapse to butch-Kurt in Laryngitis). He has never lied about his feelings, so why would he start now?
Kurt said those words, so he is the only one who can revoke them later and say he didn't mean them, if he wants to. But till then we are to respect whatever he's saying and take them at face value, and we are to respect whatever he decides without questioning his motives for doing what he does.

He doesn't need an intervention, or a talk from Burt, Santana or whoever: all he needs is for others to respect his feelings and decisions, especially when he specifically expresses them.
No one held a gun to his head, no one sprinkled fairy dust in his eyes to make him forget that he still has baggage from his former relationship, and no one should tell him what to do while questioning the things he himself chooses to do.
Cut him some slack, please.

[ColferGirl]

So, it appears Lea's comments about an upcoming storyline for Rachel about auditioning for Funny Girl is 100% true.

If you go here, the people on ONTD_Glee found two tapes of a guy auditioning for the roles of the casting director and producer for the play. "Jackie Davis" is a codename for Rachel Berry.

I don't know if this bodes really badly for Kurt and the chances of him having a storyline in the last 4 episodes, or not....in 4x15, he got a lot more screentime than I thought he would, and he is getting a storyline of sorts in 4x17, so all hope can't be lost. I rewatched some scenes in 4x13 when the Funny Girl musical was first mentioned, and Kurt says in the final scene (where he comforts Rachel in her room) that he got both her AND himself the final open audition slots "in 3 weeks." (Which, um, by the time these episodes air in April, I'd imagine it's much later than 3 weeks...). Anyway, he did specifically mention both of them auditioning, but whether the Glee writers remember that remains to be seen.

But even if Kurt does audition, the vast majority of songs in this musical are all for the Fanny Price role, correct? So we probably wouldn't get to hear him sing anyway....

[brisallie]

Shouldn't the Klainers/Blainers be GLAD that Kurt has moved on? Isn't he "not good enough" for their favorite hobbit?

They are just pissed that Kurt could prefer someone else over their perfect teenage dreamboat.

Exactly. Wasn't someone here or in the S&B thread that quoted a Klainer who said in order to save her OTP, she prefers Kurt to sacrifice his own happiness. So at the end, they only care their favorite couple is together, and doing dovey lovey eye and being endgame, not mattering if one of them doesn't feel pleasant in the relationship. They don't see the pieces by separate, and personally I still believe some of them choice one of the pieces more than the other one.

In regards as the chemistry between Kurt and Adam, at this moment I see two guys who get along well together and feel comfortable to each other. But there's not sparkly to me (yet), but there's potential. And for those who said, no one will beat Kurt and Blaine chemistry, actually I saw that when they were friends in season two. Then, not anymore.

To sum up, I think Chris get along well with both Oliver and Darren, but the difference is the level of acting.

[fantastica]

If you go here, the people on ONTD_Glee found two tapes of a guy auditioning for the roles of the casting director and producer for the play. "Jackie Davis" is a codename for Rachel Berry.

I don't know if this bodes really badly for Kurt and the chances of him having a storyline in the last 4 episodes, or not...

remember this is NOT the kurt hummel show, so don't expect anything. we are lucky kurt is still on screen in majority of hte episodes, even just for seconds in the background. i am not hoping for anything at all, that's why i was pleasantly surprised that he got some substantial screentime in last episode. i don't see much of this coming up for the rest of hte season.

yes call me pessimistic, but w/ glee, you either have no hope, or have your hope destroyed. i prefer the former. at least I will be in control. no nasty surprises.

[glimmerle]

I think Chris just adores working opposite someone new for a change.

I think Chris just adores working opposite someone new who can act for a change.

I don't know if this bodes really badly for Kurt and the chances of him having a storyline in the last 4 episodes, or not....

I suppose he'll have some relationship-stuff coming up again. Like finally deciding about going back with Blaine or staying with Adam (or building up to a cliffhanger about that decision). And since, as mentioned before, this isn't the Kurt Hummel show, I don't expect there to be much more. There just won't be enough time with Glee's innumerable characters in general, and NY/NYADA first and foremost focussing on Rachel.

[ChrisColferFan1]

I think Chris just adores working opposite someone new for a change.

I think Chris just adores working opposite someone new who can act for a change.

I don't know if this bodes really badly for Kurt and the chances of him having a storyline in the last 4 episodes, or not....

I suppose he'll have some relationship-stuff coming up again. Like finally deciding about going back with Blaine or staying with Adam (or building up to a cliffhanger about that decision). And since, as mentioned before, this isn't the Kurt Hummel show, I don't expect there to be much more. There just won't be enough time with Glee's innumerable characters in general, and NY/NYADA first and foremost focussing on Rachel.

I hope Kurt choices Adam, not Blaine.I hope I am wrong,but have a feeling it will be Blaine

[ColferGirl]

So, the new songs are out........and to my horrified surprise, Rachel Berry just got the Kurt Hummel treatment on her song this week. Her "duet" with Brody is more or less a Brody solo, and she comes in barely for the last minute or so. I'm really sad, because I love the original of that song and I was looking forward to hearing Lea sing it.....

I love Will and Finn's mashup because I grew up in the 90's so I love it by default - Backstreet Boys and Nsync were my childhood. It's an entertaining song for me, so I enjoy it and bought it.

I really like Ryder and Unique's mashup too, I thought Unique especially sounds awesome, but I love them both on the song. Definite buy for me. Despite myself, I like Sue and Blaine's song as well, mainly because of Sue singing Nicki Minaj which is as hilarious as it is great.

Naya sounds good on Cold Hearted, but I personally just don't like the song........and Glee's cover of Closer is abysmal. I'd much rather listen to the original.

[valkeakuulas]

Wait, if Rachel' s SL is the major cliffhanger then the first part of S5 being entirely McKinley can't be right then? Have they finally gotten the go ahead from Fox to focus on NY?

Oh well, I've liked Hummelberry and have long since been adapting to the fact that Kurt usually comes with Rachel which, unless they write him off or out of NY completely, means Kurt is having his partial time in S5 as well.

[Lottie2303]

We all know that Rachel will eventually succeed anyway. All I can hope for, that they actually give her a great storyline. They don’t do her character any favor at all that is winning so much (similar to Blaine). I’d like to see her to be the understudy. I even accept the contrived plot that she’ll get the role anyway due to some injury whatsoever. But Kurt being her best friends, will be somehow positive for screentime.

I just really badly want a great Kurt storyline that does NOT involve Blaine or even necessarily Adam. I want something that focuses on NYADA and/or his career. Maybe add Vogue back into the mix. Also have more Kurtana. Yes, Santana is a bitch but Naya and Chris are great actors and amazingly play off each other. There are so many great opportunities. I just can hope that all the positive reactions towards NYC during the last episodes will finally convince RIB to switch the locations entirely (or at least, rebalance the screen time).

[Jellyrolls]

Just listened to the songs (don't have time to post them and since there is no Chris don't know if people really care). But can I say, Cory sounds awesome on the NSYNC/BSB mashup?

Couldn't make it through the entire songs of any of the others.

[Glorfindel]

Link to the songs: click here.

How To Be a Heartbreaker:
Lol, Rachel getting the Kurt CMW treatment in this song: this is not what people call a duet, Glee. So now their 2 biggest stars got usurped by their boyfriends in their own duets. Not that this is unusual for Chris, but it definitely is for Lea. Glee really is living in a alternative reversed universe.
Brody is not bad, but it’s far from the level a NYADA student should have. Jesse was robbed.

The Bitch Is Back/Dress You Up:
Very well done: good vocals, nice mash-up, fair arrangement, good ‘old’ original music. One of the best songs of this season, imo.
I'm starting to get a little bit curious in Blake's version of 4x18's 'Your Song'.

Cold Hearted Snake:
I don’t really like the original song, but Naya’s vocals are good. Still….. not really interested, stupid song.

I Still Believe/Super Bass:
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!! LMFAO!
I don’t think I’ll ever listen to this song again, it’s so….. forced? I was quite impressed when Jane Lynch rapped live on Conan, it sounded a lot more natural than on the Glee mash-up: they tweeked it too much.
Speeding up the ‘I Still Believe’ part for the mash-up was a small blessing in disguise, because now at least Darren sounds almost acceptable. But they should never give him real divas' songs again, ever.

Bye Bye Bye/I Want It That Way:
My favorite song of the episode, and I don’t even like boy band songs!
They both sound really good: very different from one another, but it still meshes well.

Closer:
Okay vocals, but the song is absolutely not appealing to me. And seriously: these 2 should get a room and get it out of their system.

[coxfire]

Closer:
Okay vocals, but the song is absolutely not appealing to me. And seriously: these 2 should get a room and get it out of their system

I don't know who is supposed to sing it, but from your post, is that Jake and Ryder? They have 100000 more chemistry than Marley has with any of them.

[Glorfindel]

^Yup.

It's that obvious, huh?

[brisallie]

^Yup.

It's that obvious, huh?

very obvious.

Listening to the songs and my favorite are the Unique/Ryder mash-up, it better that I expected was gonna be and my expectations weren't so high. The same goes for BBS/Nsync mash up, because personally I prefer those songs by separate but Will/Matt and Cory/Finn sound good together, and again brought 90's memories.

As regards the other songs, How to be a Heartbreaker is catchy, I won't deny that. But isn't supposed to be a duet? Apparently is not, and as you have been said I'm wondering why are they given this treatment to her female star?. Cold Hearted Snake is fine too, personally I don't know the original song, but Naya does it well.

Still don't understand the Blaine/Sue mash up lol, still I'm believen that Miss Jane Lynch is good at rapping, but still. I'd say the same goes for Unique/Ryder, but at least they see everyday in the choir room.

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