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Re: Kurt Hummel Snark & Bark Thread--Part 5
elizabethdarcy wrote:I have never thought of it like that, but what a great analogy. A leading man whose only redeeming quality is his face? Treats his partner like dirt and yet remains arguably the best loved character of the series? Even by the person treating him like dirt. I've never liked Edward, let's hope this show doesn't take their cues from Twilight and choose never to call him up on his misdeeds.Jellyrolls wrote:elizabethdarcy wrote:I'm actually offended that people keep making excuses like this for Blaine. He was lonely. Oh, okay. How would people feel if the roles were reversed? Would these same people be alright with Kurt cheating on Blaine? He was lonely too, wasn't he?
Welcome, Elizabeth!
Blaine has just always been on such a high pedestal on this show that he can do no wrong. They could probably make him an axe murderer, and his fans will still defend him. Blaine is the Edward Cullen of Glee--the perfect man, loved by everyone, who can do no wrong.
I'll bet ten years down the track after Glee is long gone, if asked who is the character they hated the most on Glee, I'll bet it will be Blaine as all the Blaine stans would have gone by then, so they won't be around to defend or even care anymore.
Kurt will come out looking as the one favourites as common sense will prevail, and he will be that beloved character again as new people that come across this show will have a sense of rational, and won't be mindless stans but new viewers that want to take a look as this old show.
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tanita_mors wrote:Type Gleefull podcast on Google and you will find it. It's the last podcast entry. The Klaine talk is somewhere in the middle of it. I was appealed by some of their reasoning and yes, had Kurt done the cheating, they would have chastised him. But I guess all is forgiven to Darren Fucking Criss.
I agree with you about that last one. DC's fans react like Darren and Blaine are the same person, not an actor and the character he plays. Even if he played a sadistic serial killer they would probably still defend him. They just cant make the difference between the real person and the fictional caharacter this is something like "Mission impossible".
I'm sure he doesn't have more fans, just by seeing the number of his twitter followers and comparing it to Chis' or Lea's you can see it, his fans simply are louder and have the talent to get on our nerves, especially mine. That's why I avoid going to places where Darren Criss is considered god. Patience is not my strongest side and their idiocy is just testing it too hard.
tanita_mors wrote:
they used "sexting" in their discussion. and basically said that kurt had no reason to even think about cheating(texting with someone else) on blaine while bliane's full on cheating this year had more probable cause. if kurt payed more attention to his boyfriend this would not have happened. that is their reasoning basically.
i never commented on their show even though i listen to it so i felt that any kind of response in regards to their review from me would feel like a petulant backlash of an offended kurtsie. but i'm done with their show.
I hope they think the same way someday in the future when their non-existing at the moment boyfriends cheat one them. And if they already have which I doubt. I feel only pity for them, how naive or better stupid they have to be to think like that.
Divalicious wrote:I do think there will be back pedaling on what actually happened with Blaine and Eli C. Darren said in an interview that it still isn't indicated exactly what happened. I bet by the time that episode comes along, it will be where he went to the room to make out/have sex and backed out. Even when he tells Kurt he "hooked up" with someone. Then not only will the stans be holding a parade, but they will wonder why St. Kurt was upset to begin with. Another reason to just stay here, from the information Kurt is given his reaction is understandable, I just hope they don't gloss over Blaine's part in this by saying Kurt wouldn't take his calls and couldn't explain. That is my fear at this point. But again, ignoring the stans is the key to surviving any backlash. When he is wrong, he is right, and when he is misunderstood, he is more right, and when his explanation is ignored he is so dang right he glows in the dark.
Utterly ignoring the fact that Blaine called someone to make out to begin with, just because he couldn't wait two weeks to make out with his boyfriend. If he had backed out he should have said it there and then, so Kurt would be hurt, but not feel like dying.
Whatever.
I am just hoping with the information he has, he gets to make out with Chase, or somebody else before he finds out everything.
But I could be wrong, perhaps they will really go there with Blaine, and have his actually have sex with nameless dude and deal with the fall out, but considering everything they give Blaine handed on a platter, I am not betting on it. Although, as Buenos stated, they have shown several times before needy and angry Blaine, and this would give them the opening to explore that.
Needless to say, I am ambivalent about all of this.
I think you may be right about the back pedaling. I read some comments on another site, according to them the Glee creators said that Eli C. won't appear on the show. But we know from the photo Ryan posted on Twitter that they filmed such a scene. But they can just delete it.
Even if he didn't have sex with the guy, going there with that intention and maybe just making out is still cheating.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Snark & Bark Thread--Part 5
Sheny, I totally agree, that the intention is why all this happened. I am just saying that I think the writers will chicken out and diminish Kurt's pain by making it more him refusing to let Blaine explain, than what Blaine intended to do. That is my frustration, and why I intend to stay far, far away from places that worship Blaine, when things do come out. Because even if he does sleep with the guy, his stans will be voicing their opinions far and wide, and woe be to the Kurtsie who deigns to attempt to explain Kurt's point of view. If it is whitewashed, then they were be even more rabid, because it is not about Blaine, or Blaine's happiness, it is the fact that they believe Blaine is more happy with their surrogate, which happens to be any hunk of a man willing to get Blaine pregnant. I take that from a gif someone made of pensive Blaine, and said it was because he found out he was pregnant. SO, that means they want their superstud megaman to be the "girl" in the relationship? So whatever they get, and whomever they get it with, it doesn't matter, because if they have a personality, or fans of their own, like Kurt, they will hate that person, because no one can be more loved than their stan.
You can't argue or make sense with people like that, and it is healthier to avoid them. What I hate most is that their overstanning affects how I feel about Blaine. There really isn't that much to him, outside of fan fiction, and an overabundence of songs. So I try to make myself accept the relationship, because we know Klaine is endgame, trying to make the best of the situation. It is important for gay kids out there to see two gay young men working through their problems and a relationship. If Blaine learns from this and becomes stronger, it just means Klaine is worthwhile. If Blaine is exonerated from any wrong doing, and Kurt is blamed because he ignored Blaine and Blaine's needs, it will further diminish Klaine in my eyes.
In the end, Kurt is the breakout character, he is unique and spunky. Blaine will ride on his coattails into history should they make it, and they probably will, but he will just be the acceptable macho gay boy, nothing unique here, move along.
You can't argue or make sense with people like that, and it is healthier to avoid them. What I hate most is that their overstanning affects how I feel about Blaine. There really isn't that much to him, outside of fan fiction, and an overabundence of songs. So I try to make myself accept the relationship, because we know Klaine is endgame, trying to make the best of the situation. It is important for gay kids out there to see two gay young men working through their problems and a relationship. If Blaine learns from this and becomes stronger, it just means Klaine is worthwhile. If Blaine is exonerated from any wrong doing, and Kurt is blamed because he ignored Blaine and Blaine's needs, it will further diminish Klaine in my eyes.
In the end, Kurt is the breakout character, he is unique and spunky. Blaine will ride on his coattails into history should they make it, and they probably will, but he will just be the acceptable macho gay boy, nothing unique here, move along.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Snark & Bark Thread--Part 5
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- Question: In Glee‘s “Break-Up” episode, it was left pretty ambiguous what exactly Blaine did with Eli. Was that the intention? Are we to decide for ourselves if it was sex or something less severe? —Matt
Ausiello: Darren Criss tells me he has “his own theory” about the exact nature of Blaine’s infidelity. ”It’s very open-ended,” he concedes. “We don’t know who this person is or what this decision was.” Regardless, Criss hopes that if the “Klaine” split does indeed stick, “I would love to see them be a part of each other’s future relationships…. If Kurt meets someone new and they are having some problems, I hope Blaine is the person that Kurt calls and says, ‘This is really tough for me.’ And vice-versa. If Blaine meets somebody, he goes to Kurt. That happens in real life with all kinds of relationships. You create a bond with somebody and regardless of what happens, in the end the bond is there for the rest of your life. And I think that’s an excellent message to show young people: The end doesn’t mean it’s the end. It’s just a new chapter.”
Read More at: http://tvline.com/2012/10/09/the-walking-dead-spoilers-gossip-girl-glee/#utm_source=copypaste&utm_campaign=referral
Obviously even Darren doesn't know what Blaine did and he is playing the man. Is he serious or just trying to keep it a secret? The last thing Kurt needs in his future is his ex-boyfriend coming to him with relationship problems. Keep dreaming Darren.
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- sheny wrote:Question: In Glee‘s “Break-Up” episode, it was left pretty ambiguous what exactly Blaine did with Eli. Was that the intention? Are we to decide for ourselves if it was sex or something less severe? —Matt
Ausiello: Darren Criss tells me he has “his own theory” about the exact nature of Blaine’s infidelity. ”It’s very open-ended,” he concedes. “We don’t know who this person is or what this decision was.” Regardless, Criss hopes that if the “Klaine” split does indeed stick, “I would love to see them be a part of each other’s future relationships…. If Kurt meets someone new and they are having some problems, I hope Blaine is the person that Kurt calls and says, ‘This is really tough for me.’ And vice-versa. If Blaine meets somebody, he goes to Kurt. That happens in real life with all kinds of relationships. You create a bond with somebody and regardless of what happens, in the end the bond is there for the rest of your life. And I think that’s an excellent message to show young people: The end doesn’t mean it’s the end. It’s just a new chapter.”
Read More at: http://tvline.com/2012/10/09/the-walking-dead-spoilers-gossip-girl-glee/#utm_source=copypaste&utm_campaign=referral
Obviously even Darren doesn't know what Blaine did and he is playing the man. Is he serious or just trying to keep it a secret? The last thing Kurt needs in his future is his ex-boyfriend coming to him with relationship problems. Keep dreaming Darren.
I read that spoiler late last night and it didn't make sense. Now after a good night sleep and re-reading it I'm still confused. What? They haven't outlined the signifigance of this Eli stuff or then they have and Darren's got some weird ass consepts of recovery from a painful break up.
Now I think he is quite the regular guy himself and this statement makes me think he does know that Blaine probably is not "allowed" to go all the way with this guy because why would Kurt trust an actual cheater with relationship advise? There are difference of talking about your new relationship with your ex if the separation was mutual rather than if the ex cheated and lied. I really have to think if Darren is just rambling for his own fun here.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Snark & Bark Thread--Part 5
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- you know we will probably never figure out how far Blaine and Eli got,
in the big virginity episode we saw Kurt and Blaine on a bed, 3 meters of space between them, but apparently they both lost their virginity then.
If they would show something like that between Eli and Blaine the Blaine stans would say, 'here see they were only on the bed' and others would say, 'no they did have sex', or, 'they did something'.
But i don't think that we will know what they actually did.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Snark & Bark Thread--Part 5
you know, where those podcasters kids i wouldn't have even batted an eyelash. but they are a 30's something married couple and a gay student ruffly my age.
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- and yes, they will totally back-paddle. there is no way in hell they are going to leave it at blaine possibly have had sex with another guy. it's gonna turn out like he went there, maybe kissed him but couldn't go throw with it. and of course, kurt will be the bad guy because he shut poor blaine out and didn't let him explain that it was basically nothing.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Snark & Bark Thread--Part 5
What we all can hold on to is that we saw Blaine 'poke' the guy on facebook, and we saw the guy write "Hey sexy". So it is canon that Blaine at least did the same as Kurt did with Chandler.
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- Even when they take out the bedroom scene, they cannot change that. And then it still will be 2 strikes against 1 (2 times Blaine 'cheating' by texting, to 1 time for Kurt).
Of course that would not make any f*cking difference to the Blarren stans, and they will crucify Kurt nonetheless for being so butt hurt that he wouldn't even talk to poor Blaine to let him explain, but they cannot take that scene out of the canon anymore.
I would really hate RIB (well.....hate them even more, I guess) if they glossed this over and retconned the cheating.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Snark & Bark Thread--Part 5
Glorfindel wrote:
I can't believe there are so many Blainers on tumblr and several forums (GF, TWoP) making excuses for Blaine, and worse: blaming Kurt for what happened.
That's another big reason why I want the Klaine ship to sink like the Titanic and never resurface again.
Everytime Kurt displays some human quality that paints him as less than a 100% devoted Blaine-fan (e.g. being bitter/disappointed that Blaine got the lead part in WSS, or enjoying flirty texts from Chandler because Blaine had been distancing himself, or being overly excited about NYADA and leaving for NYC), he gets raked over coals by the loud 'Klainers'.
Now when Blaine does something monumentally stupid and disgusting (and it doesn't even matter how far Blaine went with Eli; fact is, he went), Kurt somehow gets raked over coals as well because Kurt is somehow responsible for making Blaine behave that way.
Seriously?
Initially, I didn't care too much about how the Klaine break-up happened (as long as it happens!), because I feel that it's in the best interest of these two characters to be separated. Their relationship has become stagnant on the show, and it actually hinders the growth of both characters because the Glee writers suck at writing relationship drama. If the Klaine split is permanent, then it really doesn't matter how the split came about.
However, because there is a very high chance that a Klaine reunion is planned in the future (I really wish that RM is trolling when he said his vision for Klaine is 'eternity'), the circumstance by which the break-up came about is a major issue. Kurt deserves better. Way better. Kurt taking Blaine back after such a great betrayal really crushes his pride and self-respect to the ground. I've had enough of this show trying to portray Kurt as being this undesired and undesirable social pariah who is super lucky to land a 'Teenage Dream' like Blaine. Blaine is not the catch here. Kurt is.
elizabethdarcy wrote:I'm actually offended that people keep making excuses like this for Blaine. He was lonely. Oh, okay. How would people feel if the roles were reversed? Would these same people be alright with Kurt cheating on Blaine? He was lonely too, wasn't he?
Hello Jane Austen fan! Welcome to the CCFF.
Kurt getting flirty texts from Chandler was considered 'cheating', and we already know how these people reacted then.
Jellyrolls wrote:
Blaine is the Edward Cullen of Glee--the perfect man, loved by everyone, who can do no wrong.
I didn't know Edward Cullen is so (un)popular in certain circles in the Twilight fandom .
Buenos wrote:None of these fan who fangirled him genuinely wanted "character development".
Flaws = Character development on Glee.
I think what these fans have in mind as acceptable 'flaws' for Blaine would be something that are not flaws at all. Such as, he's too good looking, he's too talented, he tries too hard to please people, he is too devoted to his boyfriend (*snorts*) etc.
Like a job interview where when you're asked the question, "Tell me something negative about yourself", you'd probably answer it with something like, "I'm too hardworking."
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It would basically be this all over again:
I"m going to kill you !
I have to change schools for six months!
Oh, you dumbass, I was never going to kill you. See, you just overreacted.
Over at the other forum, I've been explaining why I think anything less than Blaine actually having sex with this guy would be a narrative copout now. My argument basically is this: The writers went there. They let Blaine have that big, dramatic, painful moment. They crushed Kurt into little bitty pieces. They had Darren turn into a miserable puddle on the floor of Callbacks, onstage, in front of the whole world.
They went there. They did the big dramatic thing. So, OWN THAT. Let the story you are telling be the story that you tell. I likened it to the big dramatic cliffhanger where Quinn got hit by a truck. They allowed her to get up and walk too quickly, but they DID let her be paralyzed for awhile. They told the story of her being really badly injured by that big, dramatic moment they created for her. They need to do the same thing here; Klaine got hit by a truck. Don't turn it into a bicycle and then say to Kurt, Oh, you dumbass, He didn't really cheat on you. See, you just overreacted.
I"m going to kill you !
I have to change schools for six months!
Oh, you dumbass, I was never going to kill you. See, you just overreacted.
Over at the other forum, I've been explaining why I think anything less than Blaine actually having sex with this guy would be a narrative copout now. My argument basically is this: The writers went there. They let Blaine have that big, dramatic, painful moment. They crushed Kurt into little bitty pieces. They had Darren turn into a miserable puddle on the floor of Callbacks, onstage, in front of the whole world.
They went there. They did the big dramatic thing. So, OWN THAT. Let the story you are telling be the story that you tell. I likened it to the big dramatic cliffhanger where Quinn got hit by a truck. They allowed her to get up and walk too quickly, but they DID let her be paralyzed for awhile. They told the story of her being really badly injured by that big, dramatic moment they created for her. They need to do the same thing here; Klaine got hit by a truck. Don't turn it into a bicycle and then say to Kurt, Oh, you dumbass, He didn't really cheat on you. See, you just overreacted.
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Don't turn it into a bicycle and then say to Kurt, Oh, you dumbass, He didn't really cheat on you. See, you just overreacted.
If they retcon it like that (and knowing those writers, there completely capable of doing it), then they would have Blaine being the King of Morons.
Why say "We hooked up" and not "I almost slept with him"? Why not say "I kissed another guy" or "I made out with someone else"? If Blaine hoped to get back to Kurt, and that's what the trip to New York plus the flowers before and after confession?
And if he really didn't slept with the guy, why not say so in an e-mail or a text?
So yes, if they retcon that, it's only to do fanservice to all Blaine-stans, but in the end, Blaine will look like the dumbest non-sexually-cheating confessing boyfriend ever.
But since it's Glee => that's exactly what'll happen.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Snark & Bark Thread--Part 5
Hehe, here's my hope now. With all the people out there ready to crucify Kurt for not supporting his man when he supposedly slept with someone else, and giving Blaine every excuse in the book, the writers realize that Blaine is sailing through this problem. So they keep it in there that he slept with someone else and make it clear and canon. Their whole thing is to keep the relationship interesting and viable to write, which means keeping them apart at regular intervals, like they do Finchel. That would be a great payback for all the enablers of cheating out there.
Blaine then makes out with Jacob bin Israel. My life would be complete. ewwww.
Blaine then makes out with Jacob bin Israel. My life would be complete. ewwww.
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CloveGlee wrote:They went there. They did the big dramatic thing. So, OWN THAT. Let the story you are telling be the story that you tell. I likened it to the big dramatic cliffhanger where Quinn got hit by a truck. They allowed her to get up and walk too quickly, but they DID let her be paralyzed for awhile. They told the story of her being really badly injured by that big, dramatic moment they created for her. They need to do the same thing here; Klaine got hit by a truck. Don't turn it into a bicycle and then say to Kurt, Oh, you dumbass, He didn't really cheat on you. See, you just overreacted.
I can't quite remember where I read it, but someone once made a comment that if you were going to do something that would be irrevocable, then don't do it by half measures. Either go all in, or don't do it at all. Trying to mitigate Blaine's actions (just have it be a makeout session or no real physical interaction at all) cheapens what happened here. Blaine basically threw his relationship with Kurt under the bus and for it to be for nothing more than peck on the cheek is assinine.
I don't think the show is going to backpeddle and have it be a lot of strum and drang over nothing. They took their arguably most popular pairing on the show and shattered it. To go back and try to say that Blaine was taking on more blame than he should would be one of the worst cop outs this show will ever have committed (in a long and storied history of cop outs).
I don't think that the writers are going to try to downplay what happened. That seems to be coming from the Blaine applogists who are speculating on what they think happened so that they don't have to deal with the fact that their precious Blainers cheated on the supposed love of his life. They don't want to deal with a flawed character how actually fucked up in such a monumental way so they're looking for any escape hatch possible. The problem? Blaine was admitting to it. He didn't try to tell Kurt that it didn't go that far when he confessed. He didn't tell Kurt that he just kissed the guy, or it was just texting. He didn't try to downplay it when he spoke to Finn in the rehersal room. He was acting like his world just came to an end - I cannot imagine that just some sexy texts would get him to that point.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Snark & Bark Thread--Part 5
valkeakuulas wrote:
No matter how much of an moron I think Blaine is he needs to be developed if I have to watch him in NY in the future (S5 concoction, if that may excist). Will I still be watching, well I'm sure most of us teeter at the edge with this show, I suppose much rides on who stays and who goes.
While I agree that Blaine is in sore need of character development, I'm feeling petty and I actually begrudge him all the screen time, storylines, and let's face it, songs that he'll get in the process of getting this character development. Blaine-focus on Glee is something that I can't get excited about. I'd choose more Kurt screentime, storylines and songs over Blaine's anytime.
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^Don't we all?
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yes we do. everything abut him is disproportionate. he sings a song or two in episodes he has nothing to do, but in those he does, he sings 4 songs. while the rest of the people just twiddle their effing thumbs.
god, i don't remember hating a character more then i do blaine. maybe joffrey from game of thrones qualifies to that extent, but unlike with blaine, joffrey has a purpose in the show and i don't want him gone yet. blaine on the other hand, i'm ready for him to ride into the sunset never to return. not that that is ever going to happen.
god, i don't remember hating a character more then i do blaine. maybe joffrey from game of thrones qualifies to that extent, but unlike with blaine, joffrey has a purpose in the show and i don't want him gone yet. blaine on the other hand, i'm ready for him to ride into the sunset never to return. not that that is ever going to happen.
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tanita_mors wrote:yes we do. everything abut him is disproportionate. he sings a song or two in episodes he has nothing to do, but in those he does, he sings 4 songs. while the rest of the people just twiddle their effing thumbs.
god, i don't remember hating a character more then i do blaine. maybe joffrey from game of thrones qualifies to that extent, but unlike with blaine, joffrey has a purpose in the show and i don't want him gone yet. blaine on the other hand, i'm ready for him to ride into the sunset never to return. not that that is ever going to happen.
I think like this.
Except that I do not see game of thrones
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I think I can honestly say that Blaine ruined Glee for me.
Maybe if he wasn't attached to Kurt romantically, I'd feel a bit differently, but his song hogging and golden boy status (ha! not anymore) alone is driving me nuts.
On second thought..... I take that back. Even if Blaine had nothing to do with Kurt at all, I would hate him still and say that he ruined Glee for me.
It's mostly the policies from TPTB I hate, that seem to be embedded in Blaine, but also pop up in other characters' song hogging and stupid storylines. But as Darren is not an endearing/talented actor nor singer to me he's not capable to make me like Blaine despite those policies (unlike eg. Cory/Finn).
And lbh: it all started with Blaine and TPTB milking out the success of Teenage Dream. That's when the policies changed: vision, creativity and storylines were thrown overboard, and exploitation, iTunes sales and RIB jerking off to the sexy guys (in their eyes) on the show sneaked in.
(Pardonnez les mots.)
Maybe if he wasn't attached to Kurt romantically, I'd feel a bit differently, but his song hogging and golden boy status (ha! not anymore) alone is driving me nuts.
On second thought..... I take that back. Even if Blaine had nothing to do with Kurt at all, I would hate him still and say that he ruined Glee for me.
It's mostly the policies from TPTB I hate, that seem to be embedded in Blaine, but also pop up in other characters' song hogging and stupid storylines. But as Darren is not an endearing/talented actor nor singer to me he's not capable to make me like Blaine despite those policies (unlike eg. Cory/Finn).
And lbh: it all started with Blaine and TPTB milking out the success of Teenage Dream. That's when the policies changed: vision, creativity and storylines were thrown overboard, and exploitation, iTunes sales and RIB jerking off to the sexy guys (in their eyes) on the show sneaked in.
(Pardonnez les mots.)
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Re: Kurt Hummel Snark & Bark Thread--Part 5
(Pardonnez les mots.)
Je te pardonne Glorfindel!!
I try to stay rational regarding Blaine/Darren case. I don't find him to be an horrendous actor, but he is still far from reaching the talent of so many other of his castmates: Chris, Cory and Lea among the "kids" and he can't hold a candle to Matt, Dot, Jayma and Jane.
As for his singing, I understand that he is quite talented (he is no Sugar, for instance), but also very generic. Being generic, he can sing most of the Top 40 songs that TPTB throw at him, and voilĂ ! They cash on his looks (personnally, I'm not swooning over him, but hey! personal tastes can't be judged) and have him belt 13403516873416874168 tunes while giving the character 0 development. What do you have: a bland jukebox. That invades at least 50% of the screen this year, the rest being divided between Rachel and Brittanny, and some leftovers for the other characters.
So, if you're in Glee for the music, maybe it works, but when you're there for the plot (or ersatz of it lately), it just sucks. Blaine takes the spot not only from Kurt, but also from (non exaustive list): Sam, and Artie and Tina. The 2 latters got royally screwed over the years, and I'm surprised Jenna and Kevin didn't tell the writers and all Glee staff to got f*ck themselves.
So, really, I don't want to be mad at Darren/Blaine, but rather at FOX, the producers and the writers. Unfortunately, the one that I have a semble of interaction with is the one I see onscreen, i.e. Blaine/Darren, who is shoven down my throat again and again, and I can't help => I want him out of my screen. It's not personal, it's just that Glee has so much more to offer than Blangst/Blee, that even when I try to reason myself, I always come down to despising Blaine.
I was rewatching the Pilot the other day, and when "Don't stop..." played, I had a huge nostalgia moment => where has this feeling of pure enjoyment gone? Where is the Glee that used to use GOOD songs (although Don't speak and The Scientist in the break-up are good)
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Re: Kurt Hummel Snark & Bark Thread--Part 5
There are several performers that I think are shamefully overused (far in excesss of their talents or logic in storyline) and several besides Chris that are not used nearly as much as their talents warrent. Lea is one that is overused. I get that she's as much of a lead as you're going to get in an ensemble cast, but she is pretty much at the center of everything and as such, her character is accorded far too much prominence and allowed to skate by on things that would automatically hamstring anyone else. Darren is obviously overused, more as a human jukebox than playing an actual character. Heather is the worst of the overused players because she just doesn't have the singing or acting chops to pull it off. Brittany was a far better character when she was kept to popping out the occasionally hysterical one-liner and not actually carrying a story. Naya was overused somewhat in season 3, but that was after being kept as a pretty marginal character for the first 2 seasons and she at least has the talent as an actress and singer to back it up. Amber was overused as a singer (her strongest suit), but not as an actor because she is one of the weaker actors in the cast.
Besides Chris, Matt also has been downgraded from a primary character to one that often has little to do. He gets pretty much the same number of solos as Chris does, even though he is one of the best male singers on the show and one of the best dancers (next to Harry). Jenna also has been sidelined in a way that makes no sense, though she might be trotted out for a vocal performance every now and then (even when she has nothing at all to do with the plotline in the episode). Jane is either underutalized, or poorly utalized.
It's hard with a cast this big to balance things so that the strongest performers are used to the show's advantage while the weaker ones are given enough so that they're not strictly background fillers but don't bog down the storyline. Unfortunately RIB get distracted easily by new toys and often make bad miscalculations. Damien/Rory was obviously one of them (though they had to good sense to cut him loose at the end of season 3). Darren though is clearly another. He's an adequate actor and singer and for some reason, TPTB think that he's a major hit with the fans (though I agree that while his fans are the most vocal, they're not as numerous as they might appear). If highlighting Darren was such a hit with viewers, it would show in the ratings.
Besides Chris, Matt also has been downgraded from a primary character to one that often has little to do. He gets pretty much the same number of solos as Chris does, even though he is one of the best male singers on the show and one of the best dancers (next to Harry). Jenna also has been sidelined in a way that makes no sense, though she might be trotted out for a vocal performance every now and then (even when she has nothing at all to do with the plotline in the episode). Jane is either underutalized, or poorly utalized.
It's hard with a cast this big to balance things so that the strongest performers are used to the show's advantage while the weaker ones are given enough so that they're not strictly background fillers but don't bog down the storyline. Unfortunately RIB get distracted easily by new toys and often make bad miscalculations. Damien/Rory was obviously one of them (though they had to good sense to cut him loose at the end of season 3). Darren though is clearly another. He's an adequate actor and singer and for some reason, TPTB think that he's a major hit with the fans (though I agree that while his fans are the most vocal, they're not as numerous as they might appear). If highlighting Darren was such a hit with viewers, it would show in the ratings.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Snark & Bark Thread--Part 5
What Glee should have done is use their best actors and singers, or who have a very solid combination of the 2 talents acting and singing (imo Lea, Cory, Chris, Matt, Jane, Jayma, Naya, Kevin), and give them the best spots, the most songs and storylines.
Then they should give less but still good supportive spots, songs and storylines to the actors and singers who are excellent in 1 talent and mediocre/bad in the other, or have a decent combination of the 2 talents (Jenna, Darren, Chord).
The rest of the cast could still be used in a satisfactory way, in the background, in group numbers, the occasional C-plot and the one-liners. And of course, like for Hemo: dancing.
(Ignoring the newbies here, and I'm not sorry I'm not sorry.)
But now they keep focusing on only 2-3 singers (again! when they know it doesn't work, smh), while blatantly ignoring the vast talents of cast members like Chris, Jane and Matt, and not using very good supporting actors like Jenna and Kevin.
For Lea, and in a lesser extent Naya, the irritating part for me is just overexposure, but at least they bring the chops. But I don't get the Darren overexposure when he's not that good in either talent (although he can be a charismatic singer on the right songs), and there are so many other male singers he could share the songs with. And why Hemo is singing so much is a complete riddle to me!
It is not doing Darren (nor Lea, Hemo and Naya) any favors, and they (TPTB) know the show is dropping in ratings because of this strategy.
I don't get it. Something is very wrong in that writers room.
Then they should give less but still good supportive spots, songs and storylines to the actors and singers who are excellent in 1 talent and mediocre/bad in the other, or have a decent combination of the 2 talents (Jenna, Darren, Chord).
The rest of the cast could still be used in a satisfactory way, in the background, in group numbers, the occasional C-plot and the one-liners. And of course, like for Hemo: dancing.
(Ignoring the newbies here, and I'm not sorry I'm not sorry.)
But now they keep focusing on only 2-3 singers (again! when they know it doesn't work, smh), while blatantly ignoring the vast talents of cast members like Chris, Jane and Matt, and not using very good supporting actors like Jenna and Kevin.
For Lea, and in a lesser extent Naya, the irritating part for me is just overexposure, but at least they bring the chops. But I don't get the Darren overexposure when he's not that good in either talent (although he can be a charismatic singer on the right songs), and there are so many other male singers he could share the songs with. And why Hemo is singing so much is a complete riddle to me!
It is not doing Darren (nor Lea, Hemo and Naya) any favors, and they (TPTB) know the show is dropping in ratings because of this strategy.
I don't get it. Something is very wrong in that writers room.
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Delight wrote:valkeakuulas wrote:
No matter how much of an moron I think Blaine is he needs to be developed if I have to watch him in NY in the future (S5 concoction, if that may excist). Will I still be watching, well I'm sure most of us teeter at the edge with this show, I suppose much rides on who stays and who goes.
While I agree that Blaine is in sore need of character development, I'm feeling petty and I actually begrudge him all the screen time, storylines, and let's face it, songs that he'll get in the process of getting this character development. Blaine-focus on Glee is something that I can't get excited about. I'd choose more Kurt screentime, storylines and songs over Blaine's anytime.
I agree, I too would rather is more Kurt than Blaine.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Snark & Bark Thread--Part 5
I had a revelation about the writers and Kurt. It's almost sadistic, really - like he's faced with a love vs. success Sophie's Choice every season. He can have one or other, but never both. Furthermore, that which is denied must be very brutally denied in a manner that almost always ends up with him weeping in a corner.
Look at this, for crying out loud. http://recappersdelight.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-writers-of-glee-and-kurt-hummel.html
Look at this, for crying out loud. http://recappersdelight.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-writers-of-glee-and-kurt-hummel.html
Re: Kurt Hummel Snark & Bark Thread--Part 5
If this is his Sophie's choice (and it looks that way), then I hope Kurt gets to choose his career and personal wins over romance.CloveGlee wrote:I had a revelation about the writers and Kurt. It's almost sadistic, really - like he's faced with a love vs. success Sophie's Choice every season. He can have one or other, but never both. Furthermore, that which is denied must be very brutally denied in a manner that almost always ends up with him weeping in a corner.
Look at this, for crying out loud. http://recappersdelight.blogspot.com/2012/10/the-writers-of-glee-and-kurt-hummel.html
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Re: Kurt Hummel Snark & Bark Thread--Part 5
What amazes me is that the writers and some stanners out there cannot comprehend what a crap load of shit has been dealt one Kurt Hummel, and they call him a saint. He is a survivor. CLoveGlee, it seems that the writers do base success on the amount of nookie you get. They do it with Kurt, Rachel the same, she complains her way into NYADA, but what is their focus, her macking on Brody. Does that mean the prostitutes win in this game? Maybe that is why they are dressing Rachel in hot pants all the time.
You would think it would occur to them that the same people keep singing, but the ratings don't go up must have some sort of correlation. Perhaps diversification might help!! Clue bus, people. How can Kurt be inspirational if he is only successful by the amount of sex he has. How can Artie be inspirational to people in wheelchairs if they only trot him out to direct, instead of showing all of his talents. Tina-how about showing how non-caucasians can break stereotypes and not just play roles for asians? How about that? They are pushing that Jake is half-black, who cares? How about someone all black (well, not Unique, just don't care for the acting, one lines are fine, just like HeMo) who is successful, more than belting something at the end of a song. How about something other than a cute white girl as lead?
The show about misfits is pretty much only about really attractive but inconsequential people. Although, I do hear they are doing a eating-disorder story with Marley. The dyslexia with Ryder, but while important, this doesn't touch as many people as stereotyping racial types, gay effeminate boys, physically challenged individuals.
Well, Kurt started out as a misfit, looking like a milkmaid, and has blossomed into a hot, young man. But he didn't start that way, unlike these others. Their problems feel like 80's after school special problems. They'll talk about them, show them, but you just don't connect with the characters, just the issues.
I do think Blaine sings far too much, Rachel as well. They have too many unique voices to simply focus on the two of them, with a likely Santana overload once her storyline gets moving. I don't want to hear them anymore. It isn't even just Kurt's missing lovely voice, it is Artie's variability. I miss Matt showing his chops, and his dancing, although he is not in a character that should just dance, why I miss Mike, they could at least goof off together. Tina's crystal voice just made for Cyndi Lauper. Going back to Kurt, I love his show tunes, but if those don't sell, he has a lovely lower range, and a nice growly voice at that if he wishes, give him some pop. He can dance, let him do some of these big performances that aren't him alone on a stage, give him some cheerios to dance behind him and I think people will love it, not just Kurtsies. I foresee comments of, gosh, I was surprised that Kurt could do something that could pass as straight. As if that is the one goal of gays, but I bet to many that would be a compliment..
I think it is also fear, if they give other boys the same treatment they give Blaine, suddenly he loses that "specialness" because they do have people who can command a stage. In the Scientist, I compared voices, and between Cory and Darren, I preferred Cory, it had more substance and warmth. Won't even say anything about the sadness of Chris' lovely stanza, rich and gorgeous. Not saying that Cory can do the dance routines that Darren can, but I know Chris could. Kevin if his character walked. They do load the deck in Blaine's favor, and it has hurt other characters. I am not blaming Darren, he doesn't write the show, or make the choices, but he does get to reap the anger of people like us, which is sad, but as stated previously, he is the one we can see. Just like Chris reaps the anger of people not liking "St. Kurt", or how he is always sad. Ummm, if I had half of the crap handed to me that his character had, I would be on a psychiatrist's couch. I would love Kurt to get to be happy more than a few minutes, not not have every victory followed by a devastating defeat.
You would think it would occur to them that the same people keep singing, but the ratings don't go up must have some sort of correlation. Perhaps diversification might help!! Clue bus, people. How can Kurt be inspirational if he is only successful by the amount of sex he has. How can Artie be inspirational to people in wheelchairs if they only trot him out to direct, instead of showing all of his talents. Tina-how about showing how non-caucasians can break stereotypes and not just play roles for asians? How about that? They are pushing that Jake is half-black, who cares? How about someone all black (well, not Unique, just don't care for the acting, one lines are fine, just like HeMo) who is successful, more than belting something at the end of a song. How about something other than a cute white girl as lead?
The show about misfits is pretty much only about really attractive but inconsequential people. Although, I do hear they are doing a eating-disorder story with Marley. The dyslexia with Ryder, but while important, this doesn't touch as many people as stereotyping racial types, gay effeminate boys, physically challenged individuals.
Well, Kurt started out as a misfit, looking like a milkmaid, and has blossomed into a hot, young man. But he didn't start that way, unlike these others. Their problems feel like 80's after school special problems. They'll talk about them, show them, but you just don't connect with the characters, just the issues.
I do think Blaine sings far too much, Rachel as well. They have too many unique voices to simply focus on the two of them, with a likely Santana overload once her storyline gets moving. I don't want to hear them anymore. It isn't even just Kurt's missing lovely voice, it is Artie's variability. I miss Matt showing his chops, and his dancing, although he is not in a character that should just dance, why I miss Mike, they could at least goof off together. Tina's crystal voice just made for Cyndi Lauper. Going back to Kurt, I love his show tunes, but if those don't sell, he has a lovely lower range, and a nice growly voice at that if he wishes, give him some pop. He can dance, let him do some of these big performances that aren't him alone on a stage, give him some cheerios to dance behind him and I think people will love it, not just Kurtsies. I foresee comments of, gosh, I was surprised that Kurt could do something that could pass as straight. As if that is the one goal of gays, but I bet to many that would be a compliment..
I think it is also fear, if they give other boys the same treatment they give Blaine, suddenly he loses that "specialness" because they do have people who can command a stage. In the Scientist, I compared voices, and between Cory and Darren, I preferred Cory, it had more substance and warmth. Won't even say anything about the sadness of Chris' lovely stanza, rich and gorgeous. Not saying that Cory can do the dance routines that Darren can, but I know Chris could. Kevin if his character walked. They do load the deck in Blaine's favor, and it has hurt other characters. I am not blaming Darren, he doesn't write the show, or make the choices, but he does get to reap the anger of people like us, which is sad, but as stated previously, he is the one we can see. Just like Chris reaps the anger of people not liking "St. Kurt", or how he is always sad. Ummm, if I had half of the crap handed to me that his character had, I would be on a psychiatrist's couch. I would love Kurt to get to be happy more than a few minutes, not not have every victory followed by a devastating defeat.
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