Re: General Glee Discussion Thread--Part 1

[Jellyrolls]

they should include choke. it's great episode for lea, dot and even chris.

Choke was probably too late in the season to get it on the disc.

[tanita_mors]

Those three episodes don't showcase anyone in particular except MM. Asian F was praised as one of the best Glee episodes ever when it aired but it's just not my cup of tea. The Purple Piano Project, The First Time, Heart, even On My Way and Choke are better. Not to mention that Props/Nationals was a really strong block of episodes in itself. My favorite is still I Am Unicorn though.

They submit 6 episodes I think - 3 blocks of 2 episodes and based on that the nominees are chosen for all categories. But, if the academy still values Chris a lot and have seen most of the season, he may still get a nom by default (the same with Jane). But, they have no business winning. I love Chris, but he hasn't had material this year like he did the first two, and he didn't win then. But, weirder things have happened and I sure would be extatic for him if a miracle like that happened, because the boy deserves it.

[M&M]

The emmy noms are ridiculous. Choke I think could have made it on the discs because they didn't have to submit these until May 6 and that finished filming mid-May. I am hoping the other three showcase other people because these suck. Mercedes/Mike/Wemma in Asian F, Blinn and some other crap in HoS and Wemma in Y/N. Chris had a little over a minute in that ep. I would be shocked if the other three didn't atleast focus on Lea, let alone Chris, as well as guest stars. This is what I thought they would submit:

1. TPPP - Sets up season. Good ep.
2. First time - West Side Story and Sex storyline
3. Mash-up - Santana outing
4. OMW - Chris/Max, Suicide, Quinn accident, Finchel, Goldblum
5. Whitney - tribute, timely (oppotunistic more like it), Kurt/Burt scene that several sources said was emmy worthy, etc.
6. Choke - Chris and Lea kill it, Whoopi

I would guess out of the three remaining, they may submit BB for Bomer, which leaves only 2. If they submit Nationals for Whoopi instead of Choke, that's another ep Chris was in about 3 minutes. They are doing him no favors this year. I didn't really think he would have a chance, but there was hope if they submitted the right eps.

That said, Chris was robbed last ear. There were multiple places I read in the media that agreed.

[Emile]

^Even "I'm a Unicor" was a strong episode, and "Heart" a good one.

[M&M]

IAU and Heart were both great. I chose OMW over Heart because OMW showcased more people and had a controversial storyline.

Who picked these out?

[Emile]

^Oh yeah, I agree, OMW was a good episode for showcase more than one actor.

But like, these are only three episodes, shouldn't they be like six? ...

[Divalicious]

IAU and Heart were both great. I chose OMW over Heart because OMW showcased more people and had a controversial storyline.

Who picked these out?

Brian the cat picked them out, he was jealous of the attention another smallish object might get from Chris, so he rigged the results.

[Delight]

But, if the academy still values Chris a lot and have seen most of the season, he may still get a nom by default (the same with Jane). But, they have no business winning. I love Chris, but he hasn't had material this year like he did the first two, and he didn't win then. But, weirder things have happened and I sure would be extatic for him if a miracle like that happened, because the boy deserves it.

i honestly don't think the actors have any expectations from emmys this year. chris had his best year last year and it didn't happen. it will never happen again on this show. aside from Jane and Dot, nobody else has a sliver of chance (ok maybe chris but even that's a stretch).

Can I just take a moment to say that I'm pleased to find that most of us Chris/Kurt fans are a lot more realistic and unbiased when it comes to speculations about award noms? I find it amusing that although Chris is no doubt a talented actor who very often manages to knock his scenes out of the park no matter how bad the material is, we are still very skeptical of him getting a nom; because we are all too aware that the material had let him down too much this season. I just find the contrast between our pessimistic/realistic mentalities and those of the ever optimistic Darren/Blaine fans' very striking. Wasn't it not that long ago, after the DWS episode aired, that there were fervent cries and tweets by fans demanding that Darren gets an Oscar or a Golden Globe because he so deserves them for the way he acted out his angsty scenes?

That being said, I'll also join in and voice my pessimistic opinion here that it's a long shot for Chris to win an Emmy this year. A nom may still be possible, but I wouldn't put too much hope in that either. Glee being a musical dramedy is always going to be the odd one competing in the comedy series category. Kurt really hasn't had much chance to be funny this season, although that was what was promised at the start.

and that teen choice award thing is total crap!

You're just beginning to realize this?

[Divalicious]

I do think that RIB did intend to have a humorous storyline for Kurt, but when push comes to shove, and they have to pull out the drama to be "relevant" they have their go to person, Kurt. Lea is a great actress, but her character is inherently larger than life, so comedy suits her more, so that is what she gets. (Excluding her choking, which leads to Rachel-melancholia, followed by driven Rachel) Fast talking Rachelisms. Kurt gets his bully crushing on him and a suicide storyline. I also think originally Kurt was to be the class president, and you know he would have done something with it, probably a little cracky. I could see him and Lauren conspiring to make changes in the school. Then they take a look at available time, and decide to give it to Brittney, whom no one expects to produce anything, and put it away until Cracky Prom time, a one episode deal in which she actually remembers she is supposed to do something.

I think after Season 2 and the backlash of St. Kurt RIB decided they needed to focus on other characters, but look where the ratings are, please. Rachel has been front and center throughout, singing left and right, and they have still tapered down. People may like crack like Brittney, or bitchiness like Santana, but it is the characters that make you feel, like Kurt, that keeps people of all ages coming back. Kurt makes Rachel more real, just like Finn does, without the romantic implications.

Rachel gets to win, continuously, Kurt rarely. They need to have an actual underdog go to NY, that is Kurt. I think to garner Rachel more sympathy votes they might actually have her lose things in NY, or have to prove herself, instead of being handed things. If it is just Kurt and Rachel there, Kurt might get the more winner storyline, where his uniqueness is embraced as a welcome challenge, someone they can help mold and get stronger, whereas Rachel comes preformed.

I really don't mean this post to be negative towards Rachel, I was a Hummelberry, but the overwhelming Rachel is a winner and you should step aside from her the past few episodes has damaged that feeling. Kurt got so much backlash when he got compliments at his fathers wedding, but not one person commented that he didn't even get to sing to the man, Finn did, Finn got to sing to his mother, and of course Rachel. Kurt, who adores and worships his father had just about every scene cut out with him and his father (the pre-wedding in front of the mirror scene in commercials) didn't get to sing to his father. That is okay. Kurt getting his stepmother embrace him with love, and thank him for being her friend is terrible stuff. Having his new brother sing to him, after a complicated 2 year relationship is terrible stuff. I just saw the vows as Carol not just becoming Burt's wife, but making vows to be Kurt's mom. She also apologizes to Finn, to include him in the vows, but that apparently is not terrible.

Anyway, their avoidance of giving more storylines to Kurt I think in the end have hurt them. That, plus just general attrition of attention of the younger audience, who need to move on to what is accepted as cooler stuff. I am hoping that with the 9 pm move, and more leeway in what can be written, Glee might get a little more interesting. Plus Kurt as an adult is something I want to see.

[BlueJazz]

My reaction at CC being nominated in fashion icon category in teen choice awards:


Oh, I'm sure you guys have mistaken Kurt Hummel as Chris Colfer, teen choice awards

I have no high hopes on CC (or any of the regular glee casts) being nominated for Emmy this year but I certainly hope that he will be nominated to show people that he still can act the hell out despite being given some really shitty material

The thought that they might submit Big Brother to the emmy to get Matt Bomer nominated in guest star category just make me feel sorry for all judges who are forced to suffer through the "disastrous" ep. Please start doing people and yourself a favor by not submitting this ep, Glee...

[M&M]

IAU and Heart were both great. I chose OMW over Heart because OMW showcased more people and had a controversial storyline.

Who picked these out?

Brian the cat picked them out, he was jealous of the attention another smallish object might get from Chris, so he rigged the results.

Oddly, I think picked by animals is the only logical rasoning for these choices.

[sahhar]

IF Chris get's nominated for an Emmy this year, I still think I am Unicorn is his best tape. There are other episodes too but that one has him dealing with multiple storylines, comic moments, a lot of screentime with different people, and showcases his dramatic, comic and musical side. It's not the best emmy episode an actor could ask for, but it's still his best shot.

[E-ko]

I do think that RIB did intend to have a humorous storyline for Kurt, but when push comes to shove, and they have to pull out the drama to be "relevant" they have their go to person, Kurt. Lea is a great actress, but her character is inherently larger than life, so comedy suits her more, so that is what she gets. (Excluding her choking, which leads to Rachel-melancholia, followed by driven Rachel) Fast talking Rachelisms. Kurt gets his bully crushing on him and a suicide storyline. I also think originally Kurt was to be the class president, and you know he would have done something with it, probably a little cracky. I could see him and Lauren conspiring to make changes in the school. Then they take a look at available time, and decide to give it to Brittney, whom no one expects to produce anything, and put it away until Cracky Prom time, a one episode deal in which she actually remembers she is supposed to do something.

I will never forgive RIB+ for forgetting about Ashley's promised story-line and in your take on it sounds marvelous. Chris and Ashley in a comedic story-line would have been gold and possibly given Chris a real shot at an Emmy in the comedy category. Just imagine Kurt recruiting Lauren in either keeping students in line through blackmail or possibly enforcing a dress-code, it could've been so much fun! (--and would've made Kurt's blank application letter not look so melodramatic and nonsensical, because why pray tell did he get a finalist letter?) So of course it got shunted aside for barely connected plots of a kid trying to take his own life or another kid getting T-boned by a truck or a teacher getting domestically abused, because that is what a show called Glee needs.

Anyway, their avoidance of giving more storylines to Kurt I think in the end have hurt them. That, plus just general attrition of attention of the younger audience, who need to move on to what is accepted as cooler stuff. I am hoping that with the 9 pm move, and more leeway in what can be written, Glee might get a little more interesting. Plus Kurt as an adult is something I want to see.

I don't really understand this "Glee might become more interesting"-thing? Are we talking only in what they can show? Because so far they've always been pretty irreverent to me and they haven't stopped yet. This is a show where people black-mail one another using panties, produce sex-tapes, have innuendo up the wazoo, had an underage kid strip as an actual profession, perform sexually-suggestive songs every other week etc. etc. I don't think their adult content is really the problem, I think their bare understanding of continuity or reality is.

[fantastica]

i dont think glee can get any better. it is what it is. hiring more people wont do it. there will always be bad episodes and offensive content. there will always be people/fans who don't like some part of it. personally i don't think s3 is any worse than s2, but viewers ARE getting tired of the same old same old, so we perceive it as worse.

[Glorfindel]

I don't really understand this "Glee might become more interesting"-thing? Are we talking only in what they can show? Because so far they've always been pretty irreverent to me and they haven't stopped yet. This is a show where people black-mail one another using panties, produce sex-tapes, have innuendo up the wazoo, had an underage kid strip as an actual profession, perform sexually-suggestive songs every other week etc. etc. I don't think their adult content is really the problem, I think their bare understanding of continuity or reality is.

It's about the gay PDA.
It is very clear that Glee can get away with almost anything sex- or otherwise related, except for gay couples being just that: gay couples. Not just the PDA (kissing and such), but also gay couples talking to one another in more than 2 special episodes per season.
If Kurt and Blaine break up I don't think Kurt will ever date again if Glee had remained in the 8 o'clock slot, and Blaine would surely become bi. Now that Glee moves to the 9 o'clock slot hopefully the gay kids will be able to have more meaningful relations.
But this is narrowminded Fox, so they still could continu neutering Kurt, Blaine, and in a lesser extent Santana and Brittany.



Totally unrelated:
Look what I found when I was looking for a certain picture:



Awwwwww.

[fantastica]

^ yes. they will now have more meaningful LONG DISTANCE relationships. w/ lots of e-kisses and telepathic love making.

[Delight]

I do think that RIB did intend to have a humorous storyline for Kurt, but when push comes to shove, and they have to pull out the drama to be "relevant" they have their go to person, Kurt.

As someone on this forum had mentioned, I think RIB+ loves writing pain porn for Kurt. That's the curse of being the best dramatic actor among the student cast.

I don't mind Kurt getting most of the meaty dramatic scenes; but a few more victories and happy scenes for Kurt would've been greatly appreciated.

I also think originally Kurt was to be the class president, and you know he would have done something with it, probably a little cracky.

I also think that the senior presidency election story line was originally meant to be funny and cracky. But Kurt was stuck with being this 'high road taker' with lofty and noble goals, so he really can't be the one who's outrageous and funny. Brittany's election speech was intended to be funny, but half the time I couldn't make out what Heather was saying, and her delivery of these intentionally funny lines weren't funny at all. Rick the Stick's speech was not much better. In the end, what was meant to be a light-hearted storyline became another instance of Kurt feeling betrayed (by Brittany and Rachel) and devastated (by his loss of the elections and his fear of losing his chances to get into NYADA).

I think after Season 2 and the backlash of St. Kurt RIB decided they needed to focus on other characters, but look where the ratings are, please.

That, and also the fact that there's Glee overload and fatigue. We had the Glee concert movie which was a flop, and kinda deservingly so. Then we had the Glee Project, which I believe had hurt the show more than it had helped it.

Aside from poor writing this season in general, there had been too much scattered focus on various inconsequential characters whom-- unless you're a hardcore fan-- most people aren't all that interested in watching.

Plus Kurt as an adult is something I want to see.

I want to see this too. Kurt is the character who has evolved the most over the seasons, so it'll be interesting to watch and see what the future would hold for him, and how he would continue to mature. I just hope that the writers in Season 4 won't waste Kurt as much as they had this season.

[Divalicious]

Lots of interesting comments, I guess what I mean about Glee getting "better" is more continuity and perhaps break down and show consequences, something in the Glee reality only works if your name is Kurt. The bitchiness of Santana being acceptable, that Rachel is an underdog, but still gets to win, that someone who is small and dresses like an old man isn't being tortured by jocks. Kurt has had to deal with his effeminecy costing him things left and right, because kids want conformity. They attack the different. What I want to see is the adult world appreciating the unique. The older I get the more I want something different, I hope to see Kurt burst out next year. Where he suddenly realizes he is in a world that appreciates him, he still has to fight, but he will also be allowed to win. That Rachel finds a lot of girls with drive and amazing voices in this world and realize that alone doesn't make her amazing anymore. She has to maintain friendships and have people want to work with her, to support each other. In theater you don't go out and be amazing by yourself, you work with the energy and talent of others.

Of course, Glee may stay the course, continue to congratulate Rachel on being more talented than anyone else. Kurt will have his long distance relationship, with perhaps a kiss at Christmas and Blaines graduation. He'll have to write his own play, because why would anyone ever hire a boy with a girls voice, unless he does drag, which we know Kurt won't do.

[tanita_mors]

Glee may be getting better for some, but they are still bad in the one thing that truly matters when it come to scripted shows- writing. The writing is still lazy as shit. Character development and continuation of it is mediocre at best, the psychology of the characters is all over the map as is storyline plotting. They start well and then either jump right at the ending (missing the middle of it) or messing up in the middle and just pretending the whole thing never happened. No amount of great acting, singing and staging is gonna save that.

[Buenos]

Glee may be getting better for some, but they are still bad in the one thing that truly matters when it come to scripted shows- writing.

That's a Bingo! ("Inglorious Bastards reference" )

[fantastica]

didn't one of the writers recently said something like it's easier to find actors but it's good writers that are hard to come by or something like that? yeah like they think they are the best part of glee, while it's the cast who are making people love this show. these writers are so full of themselves.

[Emile]

^Haha, they seriously are. Like when, I think Brad, some time ago tweeted something like "if you want to know where my ideas for Glee come, go see Bruce Springsteen in concert", and I remember he received answers saying "that's offensive for Bruce".

[fantastica]

^ i don't understand either the original tweet or the reply. what hte hell are they talking about?

[Emile]

^He probably meant that what gives him the inspirations/new ideas for Glee is seeing artists like Bruce Springsteen in concert.

[fantastica]

did bruce springstein try to commit suicide??? did he smack his wife? did he get run over by a truck? did he cheat on his women repeatedly? did he sleep w/ his teacher?? I don't know anyting about this guy except some of his songs. so what part of him inspired the writers?

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