Re: Kurt Hummel Snark & Bark Thread--Part 1

[Shinra17]

I noticed that lots of quotes of the older posts are screwed up now they have a newer sytem.

lol At first, I was a bit surprised to read that Rosencrantz was talking about herself

[Guest]

@Carousel: Congrats for being famous on GF!

bow, bow, herp derp, jump on furniture, - see - -Blarren has shown me how to celebrate on the red carpet!

I knew Stephanie was a hard-core Blainer. I had looked at some of her posts after she took us down a peg a time or two on the KHAT. What is she?? 22? why don't they have older adults as mods?

Anyway, Tumblr has reminded me that Kurt said HE was going thru stuff (not Klaine) and since it seems to involve Burt, it is probably something about his future and it is unlikely RIB will break them us since they are a positive LGBT image. I think I will go to bed and cry myself to sleep

[CloveGlee]

Sigh. I don't dislike Darren nearly as much as some of you do; I think he's had some good, effective acting moments and he's pretty fun to watch. As acting skill goes I put him dead square in the middle range of ability for these kids, better than Amber and Rory, comparable with Dianna, and hopelessly behind the Trio of Awesome - Hummelberry Finn. But the Beiberization of him is really a problem.

And yes, the admin at Gleeforum are all 12 years old, their priorities are terribly screwed up, and they are biased as hell. I'm downright shocked at how poorly this has been handled. Not only do they not realize that they have completely shredded one entire fanbase to build up another, but they don't care... because Blaine, the character, is more important and more deserving of respect and deference than YOU are. And by YOU, I mean any YOU reading this thread. Fictional people now trump real people. That is some really, really bad moderating. And the fact that they openly discuss issues they are moderating in a thread that can be read publicly is just disgusting. That violates every moderating principal I've ever known.

It's killing the fandom in me. I am hanging on by five strings:

1. My recaps
2. I think Chris is this generations' Johnny Depp, and we are going to see him work for decades
3. Struck by Lightning.
4. The Land of Stories
5. Oh, yeah, I might as well find out exactly how Kurt's whole deal with NYADA worked out.

Otherwise? Pttttthhhhhhffffft!




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[fantastica]

well, at least these "stuff" he's going through will not have blaine in it, hopefully.

[fantastica]

Sigh. I don't dislike Darren nearly as much as some of you do; I think he's had some good, effective acting moments and he's pretty fun to watch. As acting skill goes I put him dead square in the middle range of ability for these kids, better than Amber and Rory, comparable with Dianna, and hopelessly behind the Trio of Awesome - Hummelberry Finn. But the Beiberization of him is really a problem.

And yes, the admin at Gleeforum are all 12 years old, their priorities are terribly screwed up, and they are biased as hell. I'm downright shocked at how poorly this has been handled. Not only do they not realize that they have completely shredded one entire fanbase to build up another, but they don't care... because Blaine, the character, is more important and more deserving of respect and deference than YOU are. And by YOU, I mean any YOU reading this thread. Fictional people now trump real people. That is some really, really bad moderating. And the fact that they openly discuss issues they are moderating in a thread that can be read publicly is just disgusting. That violates every moderating principal I've ever known.

It's killing the fandom in me. I am hanging on by five strings:

1. My recaps
2. I think Chris is this generations' Johnny Depp, and we are going to see him work for decades
3. Struck by Lightning.
4. The Land of Stories
5. Oh, yeah, I might as well find out exactly how Kurt's whole deal with NYADA worked out.

Otherwise? Pttttthhhhhhffffft!

so true! I happen to look at the mods info earlier today, and some of them are as young as 16. no one is older than 22 I believe (I maybe wrong but that's from my memory and at that time not all mods are up). although most people on the board are female, the mods are mostly male! It's like a bunch of teen boys ruling a bunch of teen girls and us older ladies (plus gentlemen) get kicked to the curb.

about DC, I can't imagine any of us would really really hate him, because none of us really know him, but we obviously don't particularly like him. but unlike other actors we don't care or like, he's been shoveled down our throat week after week so resentment grows more and more, and the behavior of blarren stans only made things worse. somehow blarren has become a lightening rod for us - he becomes hte scapecoat that represent everything that's wrong w/ Glee (most of what's wrong related to Kurt, from effeminphobia arc to endless songs and lack of klaine dev, etc.). we are definitely taking advantage of this free forum here to rant our frustrations, and being sarcastic and nasty is about the only thing we can do to keep us still interested in this show. I am pretty sure once the klaine is split and Chris is no longer shown in scenes w/ him all the time few of us would bother to mention DC at all.

[Delight]

about DC, I can't imagine any of us would really really hate him, because none of us really know him, but we obviously don't particularly like him. but unlike other actors we don't care or like, he's been shoveled down our throat week after week so resentment grows more and more, and the behavior of blarren stans only made things worse. somehow blarren has become a lightening rod for us - he becomes hte scapecoat that represent everything that's wrong w/ Glee (most of what's wrong related to Kurt, from effeminphobia arc to endless songs and lack of klaine dev, etc.). we are definitely taking advantage of this free forum here to rant our frustrations, and being sarcastic and nasty is about the only thing we can do to keep us still interested in this show. I am pretty sure once the klaine is split and Chris is no longer shown in scenes w/ him all the time few of us would bother to mention DC at all.

I agree. Darren/Blaine has unfortunately become the target of our ire because Glee is determined to sell him as the next best thing since white bread, but many of the more mature members of the audience (like us?) prefer wholemeal

CloveGlee does have a good point, in that Darren's acting isn't as bad as some of the other student cast members. If we want to gripe about poor acting, Heather or Damian would probably deserve it more than Darren. Considering the two gay couples in ND, I suppose we should be grateful that Darren is way better than Heather in the acting department and probably as a result of this, Klaine had been shown more prominently than Brittana. Also if we want to consider the offence of solo-hogging, Damian/Rory would probably be more guilty of this one as well. But Rory as a character has been easier to tolerate because the show had not tried to convince us that he's a huge star that has everyone around him cheering and applauding his wonderful talents.

As for the immature moderators on GF, I have to admit that I've been fortunate enough not to have had any run ins with them. However, it's still disheartening to learn that Jellyrolls hadn't been the only regular poster on KHAT to be driven out of the forum by Blaine stans and terribly biased mods there.

[fantastica]

^ GF is dominated by shippers. Kurtsies like us who are not shippers are out numbered and intimidated.

The reason we don't bash Heather, Damian, Jena and other less capable actors (not that we do not acknowledge their lack of acting chops), is that
(1) they sway mostly in the background, so their exposure on screen is limited;
(2) they are not being praised and reminded as the most talented, sexiest, most attractive member of ND (I remember when Rory was first brought on there was a lot of back lash when he was called "magical" - but thank god he almost disappeared the next episodes);
(3) they are not pitted against Kurt and be constantly compared w/ him (the passing story etc. are so depressing because Blaine is seen as the "right" gay and our Kurt is not).
(4) their fans are not obnoxious (mostly because we don't "see" them - their characters are not shipped w/ Kurt so we can just ignore them) and never came to censor us.
(5) they don't sing random songs constantly.

Blaine could be someone off our radar like the other characters we don't care about, but because all of hte above reasons we resent him strongly, and the bad feeling gets rubbed onto the actor as well.

[Jellyrolls]

This is very true. I wouldn't mind Darren on the show if he had a lesser role, didn't sing on two or three songs in most episodes, and most importantly wasn't lumped with Chris in 90% of his non singing scenes.

My main issue with Blarren is that I feel that his addition to the cast in such a prominent role has held back Chris as an actor. Chris has put so much into developing Kurt, and I resent the hell out of the fact that he can't act the Klaine relationship to the best of his abilities because he is paired with an actor with limited abilities. I resent the hell out of the fact that Chris is forced to portray the relationship all lovey dovey and heart eyes because he is paired with an actor with limited abilities that has been propelled into the forefront because some fans who have mistaken overacting as good acting, and for some reason find him attractive.

And I resent the hell out of the fact that RIB has to make sure that everyone knows that we should love and admire Blaine. From the hero worship of the Warblers ("I think Blaine's version of the song is better than the original") and the crowd cheering him when he opened his mouth at regionals to the Cheerios jumping up to dance with him in "It's Not Unusual" and the girls jumping up to dance with him just about every time he sings, it's just too much. It's reached the point where the producers have to make sure that we know that everyone knows that Blaine is to be worshiped or else we wouldn't know it.

Blarren would be a lot easier to swallow if he was getting screentime and performances along the lines that we see from Quinn and Puck.

[Struck by Lightning]

As acting skill goes I put him dead square in the middle range of ability for these kids, better than Amber and Rory, comparable with Dianna, and hopelessly behind the Trio of Awesome - Hummelberry Finn.

See, this is where I disagree. I think Amber, as an actress, is incredibly average and not very interesting in scenes, and would say the same about several other kids. But for me there are at least four people whose methods are more problematic on a TV series in particular; Heather & Damian (who wouldn’t be as bad in a silent film, LOL) and Darren/Jenna (who, in terms of dramatic scenes, would be better, but not great, on stage). Dianna is, of course, someone who should stay away from very comedic material after Glee, but I’d actually place her fifth as far as drama goes, among the kids obviously; I think she has some potential there.

But acting is subjective to an extent and I suspect the rankings of the Glee fandom would vary considerably, and only certain stans (not those of four of the most popular characters, and not all Blaine stans as some do acknowledge Darren’s not the best actor) would really be wrong.

As for Stephanie, I remember her coming on to a thread of Kurt fans discussing the Theatricality fall out a while back only to defend Finn and assert that Kurt was ‘creepy’. It’s fine for her to talk about objectivity and maturity but as a fan of Finn or Blaine or anyone ‘cute’ enough, I tend to think she herself throws it out the window.

[Glorfindel]

Sigh. I don't dislike Darren nearly as much as some of you do; I think he's had some good, effective acting moments and he's pretty fun to watch. As acting skill goes I put him dead square in the middle range of ability for these kids, better than Amber and Rory, comparable with Dianna, and hopelessly behind the Trio of Awesome - Hummelberry Finn. But the Beiberization of him is really a problem.

And yes, the admin at Gleeforum are all 12 years old, their priorities are terribly screwed up, and they are biased as hell. I'm downright shocked at how poorly this has been handled. Not only do they not realize that they have completely shredded one entire fanbase to build up another, but they don't care... because Blaine, the character, is more important and more deserving of respect and deference than YOU are. And by YOU, I mean any YOU reading this thread. Fictional people now trump real people. That is some really, really bad moderating. And the fact that they openly discuss issues they are moderating in a thread that can be read publicly is just disgusting. That violates every moderating principal I've ever known.

It's killing the fandom in me. I am hanging on by five strings:

1. My recaps
2. I think Chris is this generations' Johnny Depp, and we are going to see him work for decades
3. Struck by Lightning.
4. The Land of Stories
5. Oh, yeah, I might as well find out exactly how Kurt's whole deal with NYADA worked out.

Otherwise? Pttttthhhhhhffffft!

Replace "my recaps" with "my song reviews" and this is me.
Before I became more confident in my posting I was very in awe of a few mods, until I found out that they were not even 20 years old (and certainly not the Chris Colfer way of being 20 years old).
I still post on GF in the main threads, because out of all the Glee related forums I think that GF is the most balanced, although there is a lot of shipping going on.
And I'm verry sad that the KHAT is dying: that place was my home for a while. I don't really feel at home here yet (I love Chris to bits, but I prefer a more general Glee based forum). And although I post in other forums as well (TWoP and the choir room): these forums are not as divers in discussion, or as easy to use as the KHAT or GF, and I don't know the other posters that well as I do you all.

As for Blaine/Darren:
I'm indifferent of Blaine in Glee, although he is at least a lot nicer than some characters, like it or not. But I am sick of the way TPTB use him in Glee and his glorification by RIB+.
I don't care about Darren in RL, I only bother to read about him when it relates to Glee and e.g. his Broadway debut.
I think Darren is a limited singer, but when given the right songs I really like his voice and interpretation, and he's a very good duet partner. He's a less than mediocre actor, but that's not uncommon on Glee. Too bad it shows even more when he's acting with a superb actor as Chris (and that's one of the reasons I will never like Kurtcedes either, because I personally think Amber is a worse actor than Darren). But I don't think Darren would get this hate from the Kurtsies if he wasn't always paired and compared with Chris.

I do get a bit sick of Kurtsies constantly 'blaming' Blaine or Darren for everything wrong with Klaine and Glee, when it's mostly the writers and Fox at fault, or obnoxious Blaine/Klaine fans that make things worse, and only partly to blame on Darren's acting and singing skills.
What happened with the KHAT (the reporting by the Blaine fans, the monitoring) was bad and should not have happened. It was ridiculous that we could not talk about Blaine's faults or Darren's bad acting or singing on the KHAT; that should have been allowed, and it wasn't. But there is some merit in the strict forum rules at GF.

TBH, I don't like how here, on the CCFF, Blaine and especially Darren are constantly dragged into discussions and are bashed in other threads besides the Snark and Bark thread. Criticising canon Blaine or Darren's acting/singing in another thread when he is part of the discussion: fine. Using every opportunity to give him a sneer: not fine, imo.
I like to snark and bark too, and it's fun and good to be able to vent in this delicious thread about Blaine's derp faces and Darren's acting, but I'd rather not see it in the other threads, unless it is directly related to the topic at hand and the criticism is fair and honest.

We should treat Blaine/Darren the same as any other character/cast member on Glee. To demonstrate: I like Grant Gustin's acting and singing and some of you don't. But you don't comment on his meerkat faces or his singing all the time, so I'm okay with that. I think Amber is a bad actress, I think her lack of acting skills are the reason why we don't get Kurtcedes anymore, but I don't bash Amber for it.
The same should apply to Blaine/Darren in other threads than this one, imo.
Blaming Darren for the lack of development of Klaine is doing the same as what GleeAddict is doing on IMDB (as Wobbybobbles), by blaming Chris' supposedly boredom of Klaine and dislike of Darren as the reason Klaine might break up in the near future. It's based on nothing but speculations and it is wrong to do so.

And while I'm at it: what I also don't like is speculating how Chris and Darren's relationship is in real life; how Chris might feel about Darren and why Darren does things and such. Like the comments when Darren was at the prop 8 play. That was commented upon as him being an attention/red-carpet whore. When maybe he was just being supportive of Chris (and Matt Morrison, Jane Lynch or even Matt Bomer); or maybe he was there for Fox, to represent Klaine as the LGBT power-couple it is. Ashley Fink was there as well, and for all we know Chris invited Darren too (or the whole cast and Darren was the only one who bothered to come, which is nice).
We don't know if Chris and Darren get along, and speculating, gossiping or presuming about them in RL makes me uncomfortable.

Maybe this is the wrong thread for this post, but I don't know where else to put it, and Claire's previous post made me respond this way.
I just wanted to say this, because it's keeping me from enjoying this forum the way I would like, and because I also think this forum should be more welcoming to other Kurtsies, who love Kurt/Chris but also like Blaine/Darren, and who have discussed with us respectfully on the KHAT.
I just don't want CCFF to turn into ONTD_Glee, where everyone who likes Darren and Matt Morrison (or dislikes Karofsky) gets ostracized.
I think a respectful balance is very possible without us feeling as restricted as we were on the KHAT over at GF.

Basically: keep the snark and bark over here, and keep the discussions on other threads respectful by restricting yourself to giving your critical but fair opinion. And don't blame RL Darren for something we don't know is true or not.
I just needed to say that.

[Coolbeans3131]

Marie, I commend you for the courage it took to post that. I really don't feel I fit in here. Which is fine, whatever. This forum was created for a specific reason, for specific posters to be able to do what they were not allowed to do on the GF, and they seem to be enjoying it just fine. I still read the practically dead KHAT and mostly just hang out on Tumblr.

I just don't think this forum is going to grow very much. The only people who are going to feel welcome here are Chris lovers who hate Darren/Blaine/Klaine. If that's the intention, or if the regular posters are fine with that, then I guess it's not a problem. If this was meant to be a place for the foreseeable future for a larger community of Chris Colfer fans to congregate, I don't think you are going to succeed at that.

[Shinra17]

^ GF is dominated by shippers. Kurtsies like us who are not shippers are out numbered and intimidated.

The reason we don't bash Heather, Damian, Jena and other less capable actors (not that we do not acknowledge their lack of acting chops), is that
(1) they sway mostly in the background, so their exposure on screen is limited;
(2) they are not being praised and reminded as the most talented, sexiest, most attractive member of ND (I remember when Rory was first brought on there was a lot of back lash when he was called "magical" - but thank god he almost disappeared the next episodes);
(3) they are not pitted against Kurt and be constantly compared w/ him (the passing story etc. are so depressing because Blaine is seen as the "right" gay and our Kurt is not).
(4) their fans are not obnoxious (mostly because we don't "see" them - their characters are not shipped w/ Kurt so we can just ignore them) and never came to censor us.
(5) they don't sing random songs constantly.

Blaine could be someone off our radar like the other characters we don't care about, but because all of hte above reasons we resent him strongly, and the bad feeling gets rubbed onto the actor as well.

I agree with you but for me, it's not only that. Being a weak actor is not always cringe worthy if it is properly taken into consideration for the creation of the character. I think this has been more or less done with nearly all the characters on Glee, RIB took traits from the real actors. For sure, Heather Morris or Damian are not strong actors, Hemo would have a hard time portraying an intellectual student from Oxford or Havard but for playing Brittany, it's ok for me, I don't find her irratating. Same thing for Damian, I can take his flatness as a character trait, and his character is used accordingly, being most of the time in the background and not presented as the shiny new star of ND.

The problem I have with blarren is that first, his dullness is in contradiction with the way he is seen by ND as a star, by Kurt as dreamy boyfriend and the way we're supposed to see him. Secondly and more importantly, and that's why I call him blarren and I don't call Damian rorian or damory or whatever, it's the fact that for me, he don't give a fuck about his character and about acting. As I already said, not flirting with girls when your character is supposed to be gay doesn't require to be a talented actor, it just needs concentration and professionalism (= the will to remain in character as long as the shooting is on). He just doesn't care. Last point, it's not only the fact that Chris has to share most of his scenes with him and therefore wastes his talent and our pleasure, it's also the fact that the writing obviously takes his poor ability into account (or at least, it does exactly as if it is the case) to produce that boring and honestly weird love relationship.
As soon as blarren get out of Kurt's life, I will be delighted to never mention him and DC again.

your post

Marie, I will only answer the part concerning your concern about this board. The only rule we impose here, at least until now, is that nothing deliberately negative like groundless criticism against Chris is tolerated. Nothing else. If until now, you haven't noticed more blame against sebastian/mercedes/grant/Amber than against blarren or DC, it's simply because the members here feel this way, they are more annoyed with him than with the 2 others. It's nice that you refrain yourself from being overly negative about amber but we don't ask you or anybody else to be so. Actually, blarren is treated the same way as any other cast member/character.

About speculating on RL things, we do it all the time with Chris, so I don't see why we shouldn't stop with the cast, as long as the speculation is grounded, interesting or funny. It reminds me about that argument used by some fans to defend someone "but you don't know him/her privately, so how can you criticize him/her?" while they're contantly singing the praises of someone else they don't know privately at the same time lol.

Now, I can understand you're not at ease with this view, but as far as I'm concerned, right now, I don't intend to begin to put limits on what people are allowed/not allowed to say. It will just be a hell since it's a highly subjective matter. Usually, when the bashing/criticism is too strong, it dies by itself because people get bored.
About the kurtsies who also like blaine/DC (personally, I never understand what is the difference with a klainer), they're welcome if they are here ONLY for Chris and Kurt. Which mean they should be indifferent to what we can say about blaine/DC. And of course, they can express their love for him but I don't want this board to become what the KHAT was on certain days: a full page of klaine gifs, under the cover that kurt was also on the gifs, so it's okay. There is a reason why we started this board and I really don't want to take the path the KHAT did on GF with this politically correct spirit that end up with a thread looking more like a klaine-bis one.
I'll be blunt: this board is not for everybody, I can understand that someone appreciate Chris & DC and don't want to read negative things about the 2 of them, we're not the right board for that person and GF is a perfect place for him/her.
Bah, about becoming like ontd-glee, I haven't seen anybody ostracized yet and it shouldn't happen since, unlike them, we're a fan board of only one actor, stans of other cast members wouldn't/shouldn't be here.

I just don't think this forum is going to grow very much. The only people who are going to feel welcome here are Chris lovers who hate Darren/Blaine/Klaine.

If there's one thing I really hate, it's the over-use of the word "hate" from the fans to defend their favorite, but I guess it's also a very convenient way to avoid replying on the things pointed by the criticism.

[Guest]

I have to jump in here because I am one of those who left the KHAT because of the obvious bias of the young mods. I found it pathetic that what people were coming in reporting us for, is the very same thing they were doing in their own threads, but that was OK with them because they were all Darren fans and would not allow any criticism of him. I became very resentful of his moderator fans, and their friends, who will not allow any dissension, no matter how true it was. This is not how moderators are suppose to work, and it will never be any different there unless someone comes in and gets a handle on it. Maybe this forum will not grow very big and maybe it will die, but at least we are free to say what we want. The KHAT may very well die because people get tired of being monitored all the time. It will become a place for young Kurt fans to come in and squee about Kurt. It won't attract more mature fans who really want discussion. If you are not comfortable here, that's OK. We each have our own comfort levels. I was not comfortable there and will not post there again.

[Coolbeans3131]

If there's one thing I really hate, it's the over-use of the word "hate" from the fans to defend their favorite, but I guess it's also a very convenient way to avoid replying on the things pointed by the criticism.

I'm just trying to understand the meaning of your post here. Are you saying I was using the word hate to defend my favorite Darren/Blaine? Chris/Kurt are far and away my favorites. I haven't fangirled over Darren in a very long time and never even close to as much as Kurt/Chris.

Maybe hate was an overly simplistic term, but I wasn't trying to bait anyone or avoid anything. I have no interest in changing anyones mind here or defending criticism of Darren/Blaine.

I'm not trying to argue with anyone here. I was just trying to explain the way this board may be perceived. I thought the way people were talking about Darren attending the "8" production was particularly hateful.

I'm not telling anyone to change anything. I was just letting you know that the tone of this board can be polarizing and not too welcoming to people who don't feel the same way as the main posters. If that's fine with you all, great.

I'm just going to bow out. Shinra basically pointed out above that this board isn't for posters like me, who even though I never post anything positive about Darren or Blaine, shouldn't care about the bashing. I can ignore some, but it seems to be the overwhelming second theme here, after Chris love. That's fine, it's just not for me.

Good luck and maybe I'll see some of you on the KHAT still.

[CloveGlee]

So we have one forum that's dedicated to adoring Blaine to the detriment of everybody else, and we have one forum that's bashing him to the gills. Sigh. I really do understand your frustrations, folks. Those kids ruined the KHAT for us. However, Darren did not. I also do not think Darren did anything wrong at the "8" premiere.

I DO think Murphy has the hots for him, period. I have seen candid body language in at least three different videos that is too physically affectionate to be appropriate, and I have seen him literally shove Heather Morris out of the way physically in order to get to stand next to Darren. I am not making that up. I do think that infatuation has influenced what happened on Glee, just as I think Naya dating one of the writers has unquestionably affected her status on the show.

I got a warning for saying that aloud on the KHAT from Phylos, who is so biased and rude and immature it is appalling. However, I do not think it is necessarily the case that Darren himself has actually done anything wrong.

I do not think I am wrong. Some of what has happened is just weird and clearly a result of internal politics that we do not see.

As for the dead KHAT, I'm just too annoyed to go over there at the moment. Maybe later.

Joann, maybe you could just avoid this particular thread? Maybe we could keep the Darren snark in here? Of course, what I just wrote really isn't snark; it's more of a very serious and controversial concern that some people believe to be tacky. However, my concern does not come from rumors. It comes from observations of body language that I saw in interviews and red carpet moments, and it REALLY gave me pause.

[Guest]

Well, this is the Chris Colfer Fan Forum and if we could not express our disdain for any other character, we would be as bad as KHAT. I think our dislike of Darren partly stems from the obvious preferential treatment he gets - and, yes, we have all seen those pix and read the many rumors.

You chose to think our thinking Darren attending the Prop 8 play was hateful. I disagree. NO ONE else from the cast came and I do not think it was an invite, I think he chose to do it. I also noticed that Darren, who goes forever without tweeting, suddenly mentions Chris/Mike O'Malley and Chris in the play. Do I think it is an attempt to ride the coattails again - yes, I do. Could I be wrong? Sure! But at least I can express it here. There were many compliments of Chris/Max scene. Do some fans want Kurtofsky? You bet! Since Darren's role rides on Kurt and this season has not proved any different, I think he knows which side his bread is buttered on. The people who ship CrissColfer are a little naive. They are never seen together, even when attending the same event. There were no interviews done together when the Glee Tour was on and you think there would have been considering how popular the Klaine Skit was. I think they are on different career paths. I don't think they are enemies, I just don't think there is a lot in common and I think the difference is that Darren wants fame and Chris just wants respect. Are they wrong. Nope - it just makes them act differently. It does not mean I have to express something I don't feel just to be nice. I am too old to play those games.

[Jellyrolls]

Marie and Joann, I'm sorry you don't feel comfortable or at home here. On any message board, the tone is set by the most prolific posters, and there are always going to be some people who aren't happy with the tone of any board.

From the start, this forum was created as a place where critical discussion of other characters is allowed within all threads with the request that if there was going to be an extended discussion or vent it takes place here on the snark and bark. One thing that I will not be doing here as the administrator of the board is censor or limit people's comments on the threads in the normal evolution of a discussion. While I do agree that sometimes snarky and snide comments that should be made on this thread sometimes wind up in the other threads, I do not think that the discussions on the other threads have gotten out of hand.

A big part of the reason why so many of us were unhappy on the Glee Forum was because we felt like we couldn't freely express ourselves over there for fear of offending posters who were Blaine, Darren, or Klaine stans. I do not want people to have to feel like they have to watch how they respond on the threads. Once that starts happening, we run the risk of running into the same issues we had on the Glee Forum.

Bottom line is, if you aren't happy with the way discussions are evolving within the threads, feel free to put your own point of view on to the subject at any time. Everyone is free to post what they wish without heavy moderation on this board. If you aren't actively participating in the discussions, then you really have no basis to complain about the way the discussions are evolving on this board.

[tanita_mors]

I don't know what is going on between RM and DC, nor do I care, but that blind item was about them. We don't know if it's true or not, but the way it was worded it left no doubt in my mind who it was referring to. It was intended to imply that the show was Glee and that the show runner was RM and the guy was DC. Whether it's true or not is a different matter all together and only the 2 of them know that.

I get the feeling that maybe Glee cast/ or Glee set is a bit of limits right now when it comes to BI and gossip that they them selves don't sanction or allow. I'm sure there are tons of juicy stories to share by the gossip mongers, but they are probably not allowed or are waiting for the right moment. I read a lot of BI and a number of them are published months or years later after an event happened. And Glee cast has been rather out of them recently.

[Shinra17]

@Coolbean: I know you're a kurtsie foremost, I was speaking in a more general way, for all the times I have met this word in discussions, and its use as an ultimate and unique argument. Sorry, but I really hate this word in a fandom.

About the comments on his presence at the 8 play, I didn't feel it hateful since, as far as I can recall, the posters supported them with other facts, it was not all gratuitous and to be honest with you, I don't really care, not because it was about DC but because it wasn't about Chris. If it was amber, lea or ashley who had the same comments, it would have been the same for me. They were personal speculations from members, I just took them as that and I don't think you should take them in any other way.

You may be right about the image these comments give to the board, but right now and foremost, this board is for the people who are already here, not for the people that we may have as members if we were different. Maybe this will change later, but personally right now, I'm not especially interested in making anything big from this. It's not necessary for this board to fullfill its role.

[fantastica]

I guess freedom of speech isn't easy to live with when u hear speech u dont like.

Marie, I actually want to know what u think of grants singing, because everywhere i go I hear people say they don't like his voice. His singing sure doest excite me, but maybe because he sings the wrong type of songs. What do u think of him from a technical point of view?

The hiatus brings long stretch of boredom so many os rely on snarks for fun. What else can we do? We r not the kind who like to repost gits to stimulate our overlies (or other parts) so maybe I will start posting kitten pictures...

[kac]

I am a Chris fan first, I love watching the man work. When Darren first came on the scene, I liked him too, though not as much as Chris. I still like him, but like others, the overexposure and rabid fans makes it difficult at times.

As a result I get stuck somewhere between the hyper adoration and the bashing. It is hard to find somewhere objective and in between.

In the end, though, I like the freedom of speech here and am glad it exists.

[Guest]

Glee is not that popular anymore, and none of the stars are really big names (like a Jessica Lange or a Mark Harmon) so I imagine the gossip drops when a shows popularity drops.

This is what I see - people at the KHAT pledging not to let the thread die but to post more often. Now in my opinion, that becomes work, not fun. If you have to TRY to keep a thread going, something is missing. We here may be a small group, but we have fun. We like it here and don't expect everyone else to but there is NEVER a time when we are not willing to listen to another opinion. If you don't post it, we don't know it. We always agree to disagree. We realize there are slews of Darren fans out there who also love Chris. You say you don't feel comfortable posting here but we have never discouraged you like the KHAT did a lot of us. Believe it or not, most of us are old enuf to listen to other's opinion without "reporting" you.

[Coolbeans3131]

Marie and Joann, I'm sorry you don't feel comfortable or at home here. On any message board, the tone is set by the most prolific posters, and there are always going to be some people who aren't happy with the tone of any board.

From the start, this forum was created as a place where critical discussion of other characters is allowed within all threads with the request that if there was going to be an extended discussion or vent it takes place here on the snark and bark. One thing that I will not be doing here as the administrator of the board is censor or limit people's comments on the threads in the normal evolution of a discussion. While I do agree that sometimes snarky and snide comments that should be made on this thread sometimes wind up in the other threads, I do not think that the discussions on the other threads have gotten out of hand.

A big part of the reason why so many of us were unhappy on the Glee Forum was because we felt like we couldn't freely express ourselves over there for fear of offending posters who were Blaine, Darren, or Klaine stans. I do not want people to have to feel like they have to watch how they respond on the threads. Once that starts happening, we run the risk of running into the same issues we had on the Glee Forum.

Bottom line is, if you aren't happy with the way discussions are evolving within the threads, feel free to put your own point of view on to the subject at any time. Everyone is free to post what they wish without heavy moderation on this board. If you aren't actively participating in the discussions, then you really have no basis to complain about the way the discussions are evolving on this board.

Karen, I'm happy that you all have found a place where you feel comfortable and can be yourselves. That must be a wonderful feeling. I would never ask anyone here to sensor themselves for me and I wasn't trying to complain. I guess I was just trying to explain why I don't post here on a more regular basis. I was trying to give a little constructive criticism and a maybe present a different point of view. I wasn't trying to make a big deal. Just ignore me and keep snarking away!

Claire, I usually stay out of this thread or just quickly glance (this is what I get for being nosey )

[Shinra17]

I'm just going to bow out. Shinra basically pointed out above that this board isn't for posters like me, who even though I never post anything positive about Darren or Blaine, shouldn't care about the bashing. I can ignore some, but it seems to be the overwhelming second theme here, after Chris love. That's fine, it's just not for me.

Good luck and maybe I'll see some of you on the KHAT still.

I wasn't especially pointing at you, you posted during the time I was typing my post (yes, it took me that long, lol). Now, it's up to you to decide if you're concerned by what I said or not. Honestly, I don't really understand you, you could have posted positive things about DC, it's not forbidden, you could have reply to the comments you don't like, especially since I know that you know the difference between expressing an opinion and starting an argument. Well,...

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One last thing, DC's bashing/whatever is not the second theme of the board, he will be forgotten as soon as klaine breaks up.

[Jellyrolls]

Karen, I'm happy that you all have found a place where you feel comfortable and can be yourselves. That must be a wonderful feeling. I would never ask anyone here to sensor themselves for me and I wasn't trying to complain. I guess I was just trying to explain why I don't post here on a more regular basis. I was trying to give a little constructive criticism and a maybe present a different point of view. I wasn't trying to make a big deal. Just ignore me and keep snarking away!

Claire, I usually stay out of this thread or just quickly glance (this is what I get for being nosey )

Joann, I'm not looking at you as a complainer or anything. I guess the point I was trying to make is is that Shinra and I have created this board with a lot of freedom, and we've been open about that from the start. I understand that the atmosphere here may not be for everyone, but it works for the most active posters here. And this forum serves a purpose for other posters who pop in from time to time to make comments that the feel that they can't make over on the Glee Forum.

And this board is available to fans who like both Kurt and Blaine to speak freely as well--those fans just choose not to participate. They are more than welcome to join in any discussion. Heck people can even start a Klaine thread here if they want.

And I agree with Shinra. Once Klaine breaks up, DC wil become a non-issue around here because he won't be attached at the hip to Chris anymore. I think every single one of us would prefer to spend all our time here talking about Chris/Kurt, but unfortunately because Chris/Kurt and Darren/Blaine are so attached at the hip, Darren/Blaine winds up being a big point of discussion around here. And because we were stifled over on the Glee Forum, some of us still have a lot of pent up frustration about Darren/Blaine.

But I'm confidant that at some point, we will see Blaine/Darren discussion here die down because once they aren't tied at the hip, most of us won't have any interest in Blaine/Darren at all.

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