Re: Kurt Hummel Snark & Bark Thread--Part 1

[fantastica]

remember we use to use a SINGLE thread for everything? - KHAT! until we got into trouble for the blaine discussions...

most of us are from KHAT who likes to keep the single thread if possible. I want to see what other members think. I Hope they are coming in today to this thread. I mean, we are talking about important things now, not barking.

[Jellyrolls]

I hate having everything in one thread because it makes things hard to find. Like, I love having the LOS and SBL stuff seperate from the appreciation thread because it's easier to find information.

I'll tell you though, someone is going to have to give me a really good reasoning why the discussions we've been having in here today should be on the episode discussion thread for me to think it's a good idea. I think it's important to keep the episode thead as a discussion thread for episodes when they air to keep the discussion in just one thread to give people time to watch them.

[fantastica]

ok. so, are we going to have a "general glee discussion" or something? when we are disucssion characters say klaine relationships, where does that go? I am talking about hte non-barking ones.

now i am thoroughly confused.

[Jellyrolls]

People can put the Klaine relationship discussions threads in a Glee general discussion thread. It would be the catch all for anything that doesn't fit in anywhere else.

You're putting too way much thought into this

This is why most message boards are set up so that people can start threads for different topics when they want. You have you discussion about Klaine. When everyone's done talking about it, the thread dies. You can pick and chooose what you want to participate in, and ignore the rest.

[fantastica]

where's that "general glee discussion thread"? can you set up one now?

can you distinguish it title-wise form the episodic discussion thread? so far confusing.

[Jellyrolls]

Please chime in if you are reading this. LOL. I'm going to bed now.

[Shinra17]

I know people don't want to have a million threads, but perhaps having a General Glee Catch All thread would make the most sense. This type of discussion doesn't really fit on the appreciation thread, or the spoiler thread. It might be nice to have a general thread where we can respectfully discuss and debate things.

Best solution imo.

so, we can keep the appreciation thread for chris related news, red carpet events, smaller side projects like play 8, general swooning, press articles, and if someone wants to speculate about his bf (I am not but someone may want to).

Yes, basically but there's no set rule. An award show where Chris is nominated is not the same thing that an award show where he is just present or mentionned as a glee cast member. Depending on the importance of the event/project/boyfriend, you can start a new tread. For instance, in retrospect, I think it would have been a good thing to have a stand-alone thread for the prop 8 play and all the stuff/articles/comments related to it.

where's that "general glee discussion thread"? can you set up one now?

Do it yourself, lady lazy!

[Delight]

Sorry I couldn't participate in this discussion earlier. Gotta work and earn my keep

Yes, I did bring up a discussion point about 'How can we improve the Klaine relationship so that it isn't the boring, unbalanced, weird mess that it currently is?' during my last post here, and I have to agree that it probably isn't snarky enough for this thread. I suppose I have been too wary about discussing Blaine or Klaine in any of the other threads-- a consequence of witnessing too much biased nastiness in the GF KHAT I suppose. Somehow, I almost feel that anything Blaine or Klaine-related can only be discussed freely here because so many of us are unhappy with the relationship and would be very tempted to resort to snark to get our points across.

Hmm.. I suppose for a topic like what I had just raised, it wouldn't be suitable to put it up in the Episode discussion thread, would it? A General Glee discussion thread may be more suitable, because the discussion doesn't pertain to any specific episode, but to whole story lines over multiple episodes/seasons. Any discussion about Kurt and how he's written on the show, or discussions about any of his relationships with other characters, could not be restricted to what happens in just one or two episodes.

That having been said, it still isn't a stretch to discuss general writing in Glee in the Episode thread. I think ColferGirl had raised a discussion point there that wasn't episode-specific but more general, such as the characterization of Season 3 Kurt and what is so dissatisfying about it. It didn't feel out-of-place there to me, but... What do other people think?

[Jellyrolls]

Sorry I couldn't participate in this discussion earlier. Gotta work and earn my keep

Yes, I did bring up a discussion point about 'How can we improve the Klaine relationship so that it isn't the boring, unbalanced, weird mess that it currently is?' during my last post here, and I have to agree that it probably isn't snarky enough for this thread. I suppose I have been too wary about discussing Blaine or Klaine in any of the other threads-- a consequence of witnessing too much biased nastiness in the GF KHAT I suppose. Somehow, I almost feel that anything Blaine or Klaine-related can only be discussed freely here because so many of us are unhappy with the relationship and would be very tempted to resort to snark to get our points across.

Hmm.. I suppose for a topic like what I had just raised, it wouldn't be suitable to put it up in the Episode discussion thread, would it? A General Glee discussion thread may be more suitable, because the discussion doesn't pertain to any specific episode, but to whole story lines over multiple episodes/seasons. Any discussion about Kurt and how he's written on the show, or discussions about any of his relationships with other characters, could not be restricted to what happens in just one or two episodes.

That having been said, it still isn't a stretch to discuss general writing in Glee in the Episode thread. I think ColferGirl had raised a discussion point there that wasn't episode-specific but more general, such as the characterization of Season 3 Kurt and what is so dissatisfying about it. It didn't feel out-of-place there to me, but... What do other people think?

Regarding the bolded: It's not the constructive criticism or negativity that gets to people as part of a normal discussion. It's the random one shots that have nothing to do with the discussion or the times when people go back and forth kind of jokingly that gets to people.

Everyone is putting too much thought and concern into this. Just post your thoughts in the course of the regular discussion, and if things cross the line, we can discuss it then or I'll talk to the people involved about it to solve the issue. I'll be honest, there wasn't that much that I thought was crossing the line here before the drama of the other day. Don't worry so much about it

Regarding the last paragraph while having these type of on the episode may necessarily seem out of place on the episode thread, having these discussions on those threads takes away the point of why the episode discussion thread was created (to have a place where people could openly discuss the episodes when they air and not have them within the other discussion threads so that people who don't see the episodes right away can still participate on the other threads on teh board).

I'm going to start a general discussion thread and move some of the posts from this thread over there.

[Jellyrolls]

I created the discussion thread and moved over the necessary posts.

Again, don't worry so much about what you are posting. If it cross the line, I'll discuss it with the people involved

[Delight]

^ Thanks Jellyrolls, for the hard work! You indulge us lazy ladies too much

I'll check the new thread out and see if we can get the discussions there going. Yes, there have been a few good (and very civilized) discussions in the Snark and Bark, and it'd be a pity for those who want to avoid this thread to miss out on them.

[Glorfindel]

Now changing the topic a bit: I think that we've been really "nice" here lately and that's bothering me a bit - not that we shouldn't be nice but people who think this thread is full of hate and name calling will not come in to discuss something mildly critical about the show. To me these are normal criticisms and if you need to discuss the show there's simply no way to NOT go negative (not nasty, but just negative in a civilized way), becaues this show is so badly written if we don't have anything negative to talk about we will probably have nothing to discuss in those other threads

I think we should leave the really nasty remarks here and carry out normal discussion in other threads, otherwise for those who don't have the stomach to come in here they will never be able to participate, and for those who really want to vent don't want to piss off everybody if everybody ends up comign here. It seems that just about every single song spoiler that doesn't involve Kurt singing will make us mad, but mild comments can still go into spoiler thread. now a question for the mods - which regular thread should I post if I want to talk about kurt's singing and career stuff and the general distribution of hte songs? It will be critical, but not nasty, and if you think it crosses the line somewhere don't hesitate to move it back here. I jsut want to bring "normal' disucssoins out of this thread so more people can participate.

I have been thinking about this since yesterday when Vir Cotta started the discussion about how people perceive Chris' voice, and now with this more recent discussion about Klaine development. I do agree that having these disucssions on the snark and bark place seems a bit out of place (even Shinra made a comment yesterday about people discussing stuff on this thread instead of snarking and barking.

I know people don't want to have a million threads, but perhaps having a General Glee Catch All thread would make the most sense. This type of discussion doesn't really fit on the appreciation thread, or the spoiler thread. It might be nice to have a general thread where we can respectfully discuss and debate things.

Does anyone else have any thoughts or suggestions about that?

I'm a bit late to the party (why do we have to sleep and work when we can spend our time on forums? ).
But I agree that a General Discussion thread would be the wisest.
And for the record: I never wanted all negative comments out of the other threads. I guess Karen says it the best here:

Regarding the bolded: It's not the constructive criticism or negativity that gets to people as part of a normal discussion. It's the random one shots that have nothing to do with the discussion or the times when people go back and forth kind of jokingly that gets to people.

Thanks for the new thread, Karen.
It will probably need some figuring out what goes where and when to move to another thread. But if we all keep aware of things, and perhaps specifically say when and why we're moving to another thread it'll sort itself out.

[Jellyrolls]

It will probably need some figuring out what goes where and when to move to another thread. But if we all keep aware of things, and perhaps specifically say when and why we're moving to another thread it'll sort itself out.

It may take a little time, but I'm confident that we can set an atmosphere where everyone is comfortable posting here Most of the extreme stuff was done by a handful of us (myself included), and I think we understand what the issue was.

I used to moderate a Disney message board that was very family friendly. One of the things that we used to tell people if they were wondering if it was OK to post something or if it was too nasty for our readers was to stop and ask themself, "Is that something that you can say in front of Mickey Mouse?"

Well, maybe a good rule of thumb around here when you're on the fence is to stop for a second and think about how Chris would react to something you are about to post. If you think Chris would think, "That's a great thought. My fans are amazing and get what's going on" it is fine. If you think Chris would think, "Ugh, I can't believe one of my fans would think like that" then you should post it on snark and bark

Not saying that we can think for Chris or anything, but just kind saying to take a step back and think for a second before posting if you are on the fence to think if you are really being objective and fair with your comments, or if you are just griping.

If you are still uncertain, err on the side of caution, and throw it in snark and bark

Just to illustrate what I'm talking about, I've thrown together a few quick examples.

Constructive criticism:
I didn't really like the way Rachel and Blaine sounded on the WSS songs. Darren's voice sounded especially weak when compared to Lea's voice.

Snarking:
OMG, Darren really sucked on the WSS songs. He is the worst Tony ever and has no business being on stage.

Snarky random back and forth bantering:
Poster 1: Blaine's hair has more grease than a can of crisco
Poster 2: You could fill the McDonald's fryolater if you squeezed the grease out of Blaine's hair.
Poster 1: OMG, I know. We should send Blaine's hair to a third world country so that they have grease to cook in for a year.

OK, so the third example is really silly and extreme, but that's the kind of stuff that would be better off on snark and bark.

But again, don't worry too much about it. If it becomes an issue with anyone or, I'll talk to you about it. Honestly, I don't think many of you will ever need to worry about going to the extreme

[brisallie]

I used to moderate a Disney message board that was very family friendly. One of the things that we used to tell people if they were wondering if it was OK to post something or if it was too nasty for our readers was to stop and ask themself, "Is that something that you can say in front of Mickey Mouse?"

Wait a minute...Do you used to moderate a Disney message board? How did you get there? It must be hard to be a mod there because is so friendly and childish, although deeply Disney is a mistery place with a lot of secrets LOL

Constructive criticism:
I didn't really like the way Rachel and Blaine sounded on the WSS songs. Darren's voice sounded especially weak when compared to Lea's voice.

Snarking:
OMG, Darren really sucked on the WSS songs. He is the worst Tony ever and has no business being on stage.

I know both comments on top are examples but are exactly my opinion, ok the second one is too snarking, but that why this place was created. And it remind me that I'm still waiting Marie's review about WSS, I don't wanna force her to do anything againts her will , but c'mon this is place that nobody will punish you for express yourself

[Jellyrolls]

OK, some people are tweeting happy anniversary to Klaine.

Hopefully they won't get to tweet a happy second anniversary to Klaine

[brisallie]

OK, some people are tweeting happy anniversary to Klaine.

Hopefully they won't get to tweet a happy second anniversary to Klaine

Why happy anniversary? Their first kiss was already a year ago? wow time flies

You know, If you had not mentioned I wouldn't have remembered because first I wasn't a fan of glee a year ago and second I'm worried about other things today than Klaine. Lo siento :p lol

Oh My, the devil inside of you is speaking out

[Jellyrolls]

OK, some people are tweeting happy anniversary to Klaine.

Hopefully they won't get to tweet a happy second anniversary to Klaine

Why happy anniversary? Their first kiss was already a year ago? wow time flies

You know, If you had not mentioned I wouldn't have remembered because first I wasn't a fan of glee a year ago and second I'm worried about other things today than Klaine. Lo siento :p lol

Oh My, the devil inside of you is speaking out

What could be more important than a Klaineiversary, Romina? Set your priorities straight, girl.

[brisallie]

What could be more important than a Klaineiversary, Romina? Set your priorities straight, girl.

I'm a sinner, right? Should I be punished for not set my priorities? Sorry for forgetting than Klaineversary is more important than myself








PS: on tumblr are remembering that Pavarotti died a year ago .... that makes me feel bad

[Shinra17]

What could be more important than a Klaineiversary, Romina? Set your priorities straight, girl.

A KLAINEBREAKUP!!!!

[Glorfindel]

I used to moderate a Disney message board that was very family friendly. One of the things that we used to tell people if they were wondering if it was OK to post something or if it was too nasty for our readers was to stop and ask themself, "Is that something that you can say in front of Mickey Mouse?"

I suddenly have the urge to post this here:



Everything that will make Pinocchio look green like this goes to the snark and bark thread.

Constructive criticism:
I didn't really like the way Rachel and Blaine sounded on the WSS songs. Darren's voice sounded especially weak when compared to Lea's voice.

Snarking:
OMG, Darren really sucked on the WSS songs. He is the worst Tony ever and has no business being on stage.

I know both comments on top are examples but are exactly my opinion, ok the second one is too snarking, but that why this place was created. And it remind me that I'm still waiting Marie's review about WSS, I don't wanna force her to do anything againts her will , but c'mon this is place that nobody will punish you for express yourself

Ooooooo, I hear a siren call.....
Who knows, someday I might do it. But it will have to wait till I'll get over that whole stupid WSS plot and the way they kicked Kurt in the balls. And since the rage starts bubbling up even writing this post, that may take a long, long while.
Morons. (meaning RIB, and especially Ian)

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@$^#@$$%$@###$%%, Aaaarrrgghhhh.
Shinra: is there any way I can stop this *^$#%^&^&%#@! stupid reply thing to not jump to the top every time I use 'bolded' or 'italic', and stop it from going to the bottom every time I insert a gif or picture?
It's driving me nuts !!!!!!!!

[Shinra17]

^ lol No, there's no way you can stop it. It's an automatic thing. I think the board has a member sensor, each time it detects it is you, it knows it's gonna be a big post, it's so happy that it jumps in every direction at every available opportunity

[Glorfindel]

So..... this board is just happy to see me?

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The 5 stages of mourning for this stupid reply-jump-to-top-and-jump-to-bottom frustration:

1. Denial:

2. Anger:

3. Bargaining:

4. Depression:

5. Acceptance:

I think I'm still at stage 2, moving on to stage 3.....

[brisallie]

^

I appreciate how you choose the right gift for each feeling Marie. By other side I'm glad you're moving into step 3 because is not good to keep anger for a long time.

PS: Sadly I'm still in step 2 in my personal life

[fantastica]

I don't get it. I used bolded and italics but nothing jumps anywhere. did I miss anything?

the only thing I can complain about is that everytime I insert a picture or video or a link in the middle of hte post, hte picture or post end up at the bottom of the editor, and I have to cut and paste them to the location I wanted them to be. I hope in the next version they will allow you to insert picture or link or video at the point of where your cursor is. or maybe I did something wrong?

[fantastica]

Well, maybe a good rule of thumb around here when you're on the fence is to stop for a second and think about how Chris would react to something you are about to post. If you think Chris would think, "That's a great thought. My fans are amazing and get what's going on" it is fine. If you think Chris would think, "Ugh, I can't believe one of my fans would think like that" then you should post it on snark and bark

Please do not do not try to guess what Chris will think. we have no idea what he thinks. We thought he wanted kurt to sing w/ the guys. but no. we thought he desperately wanted to get off glee, again no. We speculate blah and he actually does blee. Let's just ask this simple question instead: "what will the mods do?". If you think the mods will ok the post in the general area, then write in general area. If you think the mods will think it crosses the line, then let them move it.

ps. thanks karen for moving the creating the new thread and move the posts. that's why i wanted you to do it - only you and shinra can move hte posts! and I don't know who picked all the 8 play stuff out of the appreciation thread but thanks for the hard work again. I suspect that Shinra did that because he's one who wants to create as many threads as the number of hair strands on his head. I hope soon he will shave his head bald.

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