Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 10

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Rachel, Santana, Kurt, and Adam scene from Glee as seen on The View

Santana is such a bitch. All the videos, and referring to Kurt as Lady Hummel to his face? Way to try to make nice with the roommates you thrust yourself upon.

Adam's smirk makes me think he knows what Santana is up too. Either that or he's thinking, "Thank God I like boys."

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Rachel, Santana, Kurt, and Adam scene from Glee as seen on The View

Santana is such a bitch. All the videos, and referring to Kurt as Lady Hummel to his face? Way to try to make nice with the roommates you thrust yourself upon.
Adam's smirk makes me think he knows what Santana is up too. Either that or he's thinking, "Thank God I like boys."

I agree. I am hoping that this boyfriend pillow guilty pleasure will lead to some super cute Kurt/Rachel/Santana (what the hell is their ship name?) cuddling in the loft, though!

I think this guilty pleasure is so cute, but the Hummelberry shipper in my brain wishes that Rachel was his guilty pleasure!

I'm confused. Doesn't Kurt get cuddles from Adam? I thought they were "sort of" dating, whatever the hell that means.

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I think there is a difference between getting cuddles with someone and sleeping with them. Perhaps Kurt likes to wake up in someone's arms, still has trust issues because of Blaine cheating on him, and thus sleeps with the pillow. I think he does get them their own because I am thinking that the one Santana has is a girl pillow, and Kurt would not be buying that for himself.

Besides, since we haven't seen Adam between tomorrow's episode and this one, he may not have made up his mind where he is going with Adam.

I think Santana being the bitch was just a part of the feuding that is to happen in the following episode. She likes to push people's buttons, but they had better stay the hell away from her own. Santana is just as insecure as Rachel, but she hides it in being bitchy.

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From that video clip it's obvious that Kurt knows about Rachel's "pregnancy" and he is teasing her. Santana's methods are a little too bitchy, but I think both of them know.

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Rachel, Santana, Kurt, and Adam scene from Glee as seen on The View

Santana is such a bitch. All the videos, and referring to Kurt as Lady Hummel to his face? Way to try to make nice with the roommates you thrust yourself upon.
Adam's smirk makes me think he knows what Santana is up too. Either that or he's thinking, "Thank God I like boys."

I agree. I am hoping that this boyfriend pillow guilty pleasure will lead to some super cute Kurt/Rachel/Santana (what the hell is their ship name?) cuddling in the loft, though!

I think this guilty pleasure is so cute, but the Hummelberry shipper in my brain wishes that Rachel was his guilty pleasure!

I'm confused. Doesn't Kurt get cuddles from Adam? I thought they were "sort of" dating, whatever the hell that means.

I'm sure Kurt doesn't get cuddles from Adam while sleeping at night. At least, not yet . Now that I'm over the creepiness of the arm, I think it's something very similar to cuddling with soft toys at night, just a cute guilty pleasure (not necessarily any emotional longing or anything like that involved), but more unusual.

That scene was fun, I really wish they had done that spinoff.

[Lottie2303]

Okay, I love the clip and the released pictures. I am all open and excited and so happy to see some Rachel/Santana/Kurt interaction with come Adam on top. Bring it on! Alas, in other shows they would have focused 45 minutes for a plot within the loft, as so much hilarity may ensue when people are snowed in, but what do I expect.

I do not see the pillows as anything negative and/or as an example how he is linked to Blaine. I think it is just for the purpose of comedy and the released stills already confirm that. Furthermore, I love Kurts clothes once again. Generally, I love Season 4 for his style!

(Snarky note: It is happy how all the still are suddenly released when people are clearly upset about CWM, non-existing Glee spoilers and the lack of Kurt songs in their online poll. I feel rather diabolic ).

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I think there is a difference between getting cuddles with someone and sleeping with them. Perhaps Kurt likes to wake up in someone's arms, still has trust issues because of Blaine cheating on him, and thus sleeps with the pillow. I think he does get them their own because I am thinking that the one Santana has is a girl pillow, and Kurt would not be buying that for himself.
Besides, since we haven't seen Adam between tomorrow's episode and this one, he may not have made up his mind where he is going with Adam.

I think Santana being the bitch was just a part of the feuding that is to happen in the following episode. She likes to push people's buttons, but they had better stay the hell away from her own. Santana is just as insecure as Rachel, but she hides it in being bitchy.

What's the difference between a female pillow and a male pillow? I assume they would feel the same...it's just someone's arm around you. But that makes sense...about the cuddling, I mean. They say that cuddling is a more intimate act than sex is, so it makes sense that, with his trust issues (thanks to Blaine), he'd use these pillows. Awwwww!

Okay, this has to be said. Kurt was being bitchy about this as well. Teasing Rachel about a possible pregnancy. This is not a laughing matter for her.

[Divalicious]

The girl pillow has some lace on the upper part of the shirt, while the male is just a plain shirt.

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Oh! Okay, thank you!

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I disagree about some of the PSA storylines. The heart attack/religion one, in my opinion, had Kurt apologizing not for being an atheist, but for pushing his friends away when they were trying to support him. Yes, they should have known better than to try to force religion down his throat during that difficult time, but they were trying to give him some hope, I think. That's what religion is about...it's about hope. And Kurt's situation seemed really hopeless. I understand why Kurt withdrew into himself during the crisis, though...as he's always been very independant. People react in two ways during a crisis: they either withdraw and push everyone away, or they cling onto everyone for moral support. By the end of the episode, Kurt was still an atheist. He didn't have to "convert" to anything...and it wasn't portrayed as wrong either.

But Kurt apologized to Mercedes when she was the one pushing her religion on him, and he told his dad (who was still in a coma!) that he shouldn't have sent them away from his bed, when Kurt explicitly told them no several times! He may not have converted, but he put his own wishes/thoughts on this matter beneath those of the others. In the end he condoned their shoving religion down his throat.

Kurt's 'friends' weren't helping him: they were only pushing their own agendas on him. Noone asked him where he was staying and if he needed anything, and when he protested against their prayers they kept pushing. When Kurt stopped it during choir practice with the help of Sue he got scolded for it, and then they took their prayers to his father's coma bed behind his back!
It is very ironic that the only ND kids who really cared for him then were Puck (who prayed in private for Kurt and his dad, but left him alone) and Brittany (who gave him a card and her heart attack report). Kurt may have been pushing people away, but then it was up to those people to break through that wall and see how they could help him anyway, by maybe asking him what he wanted, instead of making it all about themselves being hurt because he rejected their faith, something Kurt definitely did not want, nor need.

Burt's heart attack never was about Burt, and hardly about Kurt (quite telling is that they cut his verse from the closing number), and it was no PSA. It was all just a set-up for a religious episode. Instead of the episode being about the boy who almost got orphaned, it was about the pros and cons of religion.
And no offense to anyone here, but saying something like "religion is about hope": to me it often feels that for people who say this there is only one way to hope: their religious way, and that should justify being a dick to someone in a vulnerable situation, like Kurt.
Kurt never lost hope: he had faith in his father. Kurt needed friends, not words and prayers he felt were empty and useless to him, and certainly not being told over and over again that he was wrong and "had to believe in something", while they offered him nothing he actually needed.

As painful to watch as the bullying arc was, I thought it was very well done. I love how they made Karofsky into a self loathing monster. IMO, it gave every bullying victim a leg up, so to speak. I think that all bullies have a self loathing aspect about themselves. There is something wrong with them...otherwise, why would they get a kick out of beating other people down? The "happy ending" with Blaine seemed far fetched though.

No, bullies are just bullies, they love the power it gives them. Only a small percentage of them have serious problems as kids. And that still doesn't excuse their actions so they can get away with it unpunished.
By making Karofsky gay the bullying arc turned into Karofsky's bullying arc, not Kurt's bullying arc anymore. Kurt got shoved to Dalton to rot for 10 episodes (!) and the affects of the bullying done to him was never mentioned anymore: never! And adding insult to injury: what happened to Kurt got minimized and retconned to make Karofsky look more sympathetic in season 3.

I adored the suicide one as well. Well acted, for sure. Kurt blamed himself not because he was right in doing so, but because he's just a very moral, compassionate and nice person. He wonders if he could've done anything to stop it. Of course, I don't think he could've. He shouldn't have to date a former bully in order to make him feel better about his situation, and the show was not saying that he should've either.

But that's exactly what they did: they specificly showed Kurt ignoring Karofsky's phone calls, after setting up Dave wanting a friendship with Kurt the episode before. Kurt was tormented that he hadn't kept his promise to stay in contact with Dave after Valentine's Day. And they implied that had Kurt answered Dave's calls he might not have tried to kill himself. The show did this deliberately to victim-blame Kurt.
Noone at McKinley put 2 and 2 together and realized that Dave being outed as gay changed the dynamic and implications of the bullying he had done to Kurt dramatically. Noone talked to Kurt about that, no: the teachers even belittled what Karofsky did to him.
And then they isolated Kurt completely, from his friends, his family, his bf, his teachers, who all would have told him not to blame himself and to not go see Dave in the hospital alone, and sure: he went to see Dave alone, and gave his Golden Globe speech almost verbally.
But let's forget about Kurt and sing and dance at Regionals, and have an almost stupid wedding which gives Burt more concerns than his own son, and oh, look: Quinn almost dies in a car crash.
Karofsky who?

The pregnancy storyline was strange, and Quinn's behavior was just...ugh. They could've made a great case for a post-pregnancy depression storyline, because that's how psycho she was acting. I'll never know why they didn't do it. Marley eating disorder storyline was too rushed, patched up too quickly (I'd like to see some therapy) and you're right about her mother's "words of wisdom"...they seemed more harmful than good. They should've consulted a specialist before tackling this one.

They should have consulted a specialist for each and every one of their PSA's. Or you know: maybe talk to a woman how it actually feels to be pregnant, or having all that peer pressure to be slim and therefore 'beautiful'.
But it seems they only consulted a specialist for Ryder's dyslexic storyline. Figures.

Shannon's storyline shed a light on domestic abuse and wasn't, in my opinion, trying to tell the girls they were wrong (although, they were wrong for making jokes about it). It was wonderfully acted by Dot, and I love how they made the victim a less than likely target for that sort of thing. It's not just the girls like Emma who could get pushed around by their lover, after all.

But why leave the boys out of this? Usually men hit women, although it occasionally is the other way around. The boys should have been included in the PSA part of the story.
Dot did an amazing job, that's true. She salvaged that storyline. And then of course RIB forgot about it completely, with no follow-up at all, and now Dot, Emmy nominee twice (!) for Glee, is desperately waiting at home for RIB to call her again to be in an episode every now and then, propping up the kids.

I hated the wheelchair storyline for Quinn. They could've went so far with it and made Quinn so inspirational. They had good moments, especially the touching ramp scene with Quinn and Artie, but ultimatley, they failed big time with this storyline. Using her situation to get prom queen votes?! Are you kidding me!?

The touching ramp scene was the only good scene of that storyline, and so was Artie's mentor status. They started a good storyline there, but it, of course, got dropped completely. Not a word from Artie on Quinn being able to walk again, not even a reaction shot from him at Prom.
But hey: because Quinn died of a broken heart in Artie's Xmas fantasy Artie was happy to get back in his wheelchair again. Ugh.

Glee should not do any PSA story anymore. They accidentally created a beautiful one with Kurt's coming out storyline of season 1, but that was because it was the only one that wasn't forced and contrived, and therefore it rang true. The others? Not so much.
And seeing that GOBr now tweeted that the gunshot is no big deal, after assuring us first that it would be taken seriously..... no.

I thought he was apologizing to Mercedes for pushing her (and everyone else) away? Not because of the religion issue? Again, I know he didn't need to be hammered over the head with religious scripts in this delicate time...and he very well could have used other more practical forms of help (like someone to stay with him). I see this as a misguided attempt by a bunch of immature kids who really were worried about him. I don't like their approach either, but I do think they were trying to help him (and Burt).

Really? The Kurtsie in me saw this episode as all about Kurt, Burt and their bond with the religious storyline being secondary, and with that stupid sandwich story being even further down the list. I saw this episode as celebrating their relationship and for telling us to be grateful for our loves ones in our lives, because you never know what can happen. It was so sad and bittersweet: Kurt lost his mom, and all he has left is his dad. And now, just after they begin to develop a closer son/father bond, he might die. Worse yet, their last waking moment together was not a good one. Even so, the religion storyline was interesting...I like the debate it causes. It makes you think. And yes, religion does give people hope! Mercedes mentioned that the world was too hard and cruel to manage on your own, and for her, believening in God have her a hope and strength that this wasn't all for nothing and that she wasn't alone. The alternative is too awful to think about. That is the purpose of religion. I myself am not religious (I am spiritual, I'd burst into flames if I were to walk into a Church ) but I do believe in a higher power still. I can see why people are religious, despite the problems it causes. It does do good also. There are a thousand different ways to "hope", as there are different kinds of religions out there. Even if you don't believe in religion at all, there is still spirituality. His classmates just wanted to give him some of that hope...something to hold onto during this difficult time. I know Kurt had hope in his father, but come on. Things didn't look good. What would have hope have done for him if he had actually lost his father? I agree that the kids crossed Kurt's boundries and that they needed to apologize as well. Did they?

Karofsky went unpunished by the school for whatever BS reason, but I'd say he was punished enough by karma in the end and I'm glad he turned over a new leaf. I refuse to believe that bullies are the way they are without a cause. You don't become that sadistic and hateful without something being seriously wrong with you, I'm sorry. You can't enjoy that kind of power over others without something being broken inside of you, at least, that's what I believe. If bullies were totally happy, well adjusted human beings okay with themselves, they'd have no need to bring others down like that. What is they payoff they get from that? The power, making others feel bad. Why does it payoff for them? Why are they so fucked up? Also, don't you think that some of Kurt's self esteem issues can be attributed to this bullying he suffered? It's a ripple effect. It was always Kurt's bullying arc, imo...but I did enjoy seeing that growth from Karofsky.

The suicide storyline "victim blaming" is disturbing. I never thought of it like that before. Why would they do that to him? What kind of message does that send? Kurt should never have to date or even be friends with a former bully if it makes him feel uncomfortable. I guess this was to show that even former monsters like Dave need a support system in their lives? I don't think Dave being gay changed anything. He still bullied Kurt violently, threatened to kill him, and chased him away from his school. When did the teachers brush aside what was done to Kurt? I got the feeling that Will and Sue thought it was serious (despite the lack of action taken). Of course, the idiot Figgins never takes anything seriously. We all saw what was done to Kurt. There was nothing harmless about it. That hospital scene was beautiful and I think TV needed something like that to be shown. Dave even said himself that he couldn't even deal with one ounce of what he himself put Kurt through for all of those months. It was too much for him. I thought this was very humanizing. Him being gay, him being suicidal and being bullied himself doesn't make it okay at all...but it does make more sense. Same thing with Santana. I love the Kurt/Dave friendship (nothing more) and I love how Kurt serves as a sort of mentor/support system/role model for Dave, being one of the strongest characters and having been there, done that. I wish we could see more of this onscreen.

I didn't know they were talking to professionals about Ryder's learning disability? Nice. I guess that's why it feels more realistic than Sam's own supposed learning disability (and when the heck are they going to get Brittany some help? Seriously, enough is enough. It's not funny anymore.)

I ,too, wondered why they left the guys out of this storyline. Men are the root of the problem, because they do most of the hitting. I guess if the guys were spotted making light of this ugly social issue, they would have been scolded too. But nonetheless, I feel they needed to be included into this discussion as well. The studying with Puck storyline that they had instead was such a waste of time, whereas the girl's storyline was much more profound. Shannon learning to love herself enough to get out of that situation was just perfect.

I would have loved to have seen a reaction from Artie about Quinn regaining her ability to walk again! I'm so disappointed they didn't show that in the prom episode! They could've went so far with this one! Other than the ramp scene, I'm Still Standing (yes, I loved that number) and the alternative senior ditch day, they really dropped the ball with this one. Quinn's initial hopeful, grateful attitude coming back from the accident was so inspiring...but sure enough, the writers turned her back into her schemeing, psycho self with the prom queen BS. Totally ruined it for me. I'm not so much as upset by her walking (and dancing) again so fast as I am upset about that. Why, RIB, why?!

How could I forget about Kurt's coming out story?! That was so perfect. I enjoy Glee's PSA's for the most part. I like the more serious, meaningful stuff. And as long as they don't outright make fun of the next issue they are going to tackle and treat it with respect (they need to silence Brittany in order to do this), then I'm okay with it. And I know they can do it...they never made fun of Burt's heart attack. It's a delicate balance...remain a comedy show while still taking on deep issues. But I do think the PSA storylines serve an important need in society. I often wonder how Kurt would have reacted had he ever been caught in a school shooting episode, though, I'm grateful he doesn't have to go through that at all. He's been through enough.

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Karofsky went unpunished by the school for whatever BS reason, but I'd say he was punished enough by karma in the end and I'm glad he turned over a new leaf. I refuse to believe that bullies are the way they are without a cause. You don't become that sadistic and hateful without something being seriously wrong with you, I'm sorry. You can't enjoy that kind of power over others without something being broken inside of you, at least, that's what I believe. If bullies were totally happy, well adjusted human beings okay with themselves, they'd have no need to bring others down like that. What is they payoff they get from that? The power, making others feel bad. Why does it payoff for them? Why are they so fucked up? Also, don't you think that some of Kurt's self esteem issues can be attributed to this bullying he suffered? It's a ripple effect. It was always Kurt's bullying arc, imo...but I did enjoy seeing that growth from Karofsky.

I'm agree with you that bullies had a reason behind to be as they're, and though it sounds sadist, I also believe they're people in the world who enjoy to hurt other people only because it gives them power. But bullies at school are mostly teenagers who sadly throw up their frustrations or anger toward other people, people they consider inferior or in some cases superior, so they can't stand there's someone who's more successful in something this person isn't. Or how happened with Karofsky, these people represent something they hate or deny about themselves.

Going back to Karofsky, is true that nothing won't erased from Kurt's mind what he did to him, but I truly believe he's regretted and he paid for it. Personally if I were in Kurt's situation- I have been there actually- I would forgive him, though is not easy, but I won't be her friend. Or... I don't know, I think is a long process of forgiveness.

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I'm agree with you that bullies had a reason behind to be as they're, and though it sounds sadist, I also believe they're people in the world who enjoy to hurt other people only because it gives them power. But bullies at school are mostly teenagers who sadly throw up their frustrations or anger toward other people, people they consider inferior or in some cases superior, so they can't stand there's someone who's more successful in something this person isn't. Or how happened with Karofsky, these people represent something they hate or deny about themselves.

I was heavyly bullied at school from 11 to 14 years-old, and I don't think the people who bullied me specifically loathed themselves. I was jusy an easy target, and for teenagers who are still struggling with who they are and their place in the society, being a bully is just a way to have some kind of power of superiority. Some might indeed really have self-hate, but others just do it because they can, because they will make their friends laugh by embarrasing you, because they would like to see you cty (do you realize the impression of power they have when they manage to make someone cry).
In the case of Karofsky, it is complicated, but I also did not like that the fact that he was closeted and gay "justified" his actions. As much as Kurt became the center of his bullying, he still harrassed the whole Glee club before that, and just because you feel bad about yourself shouldn't give you any excuse to report it on the others. I kinda agree with Marie when she said that suddenly Karofsky was somewhat woobified, where the impact of his actions on Kurt were downplayed. You can fanwank that Kurt is a strong character who is able to get over physical/sexual assault, but the fact that noone even tried yo link "Karofsky is gay and he used to harrass Kurt, maybe there was something more" was disappointing.

As for the dropped storylines, I think Quinn was a character who was royally screwed. She went through real hardships (teenage pregnancy, abandoning your kid, wheelchair), and they always made her a mad and vile character afterwards, with very few support in the end.

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I'm agree with you that bullies had a reason behind to be as they're, and though it sounds sadist, I also believe they're people in the world who enjoy to hurt other people only because it gives them power. But bullies at school are mostly teenagers who sadly throw up their frustrations or anger toward other people, people they consider inferior or in some cases superior, so they can't stand there's someone who's more successful in something this person isn't. Or how happened with Karofsky, these people represent something they hate or deny about themselves.

I was heavyly bullied at school from 11 to 14 years-old, and I don't think the people who bullied me specifically loathed themselves. I was jusy an easy target, and for teenagers who are still struggling with who they are and their place in the society, being a bully is just a way to have some kind of power of superiority. Some might indeed really have self-hate, but others just do it because they can, because they will make their friends laugh by embarrasing you, because they would like to see you cty (do you realize the impression of power they have when they manage to make someone cry).
In the case of Karofsky, it is complicated, but I also did not like that the fact that he was closeted and gay "justified" his actions. As much as Kurt became the center of his bullying, he still harrassed the whole Glee club before that, and just because you feel bad about yourself shouldn't give you any excuse to report it on the others. I kinda agree with Marie when she said that suddenly Karofsky was somewhat woobified, where the impact of his actions on Kurt were downplayed. You can fanwank that Kurt is a strong character who is able to get over physical/sexual assault, but the fact that noone even tried yo link "Karofsky is gay and he used to harrass Kurt, maybe there was something more" was disappointing.

As for the dropped storylines, I think Quinn was a character who was royally screwed. She went through real hardships (teenage pregnancy, abandoning your kid, wheelchair), and they always made her a mad and vile character afterwards, with very few support in the end.

I'm so sorry that happened to you! It happened to me too. It was only for two years for me, but still...two years of being the class target feels like a lifetime. I can't imagine how Chris put up with it for as long as he did.

But don't you think those teens who do that are insecure in the first place, and they seek that false sense of being superior because, in truth, it isn't already there in the first place? You know what I mean? Why would these kids (and even adults) seek that sense of power in such a cruel and sadistic way if they could find it in a more positive fashion? Why go down that route? What do they get out of it? It's unhealthy. Unhealthy actions reveal an unhealthy mind and emotional state, imo.

I don't think that Karosky being gay made it okay at all. And truthfully, even to this day, there are Glee fans who still hate his guts for what he did to Kurt, even after all of the suffering and the change that he went through. I like how it humanized him and, while it didn't make his bullying okay at all, it did make it...I don't know...make more sense? I hate to use that word. I don't mean that it made sense for him to bully Kurt just because he was feeling insecure about himself, because it is not justified at all. Plenty of people don't take their own insecurities out on others. I just mean that him being gay doesn't make it okay, but it does make you go "Oh! So that's what's wrong with him." (the insecurity, not the homosexuality).

I do not think it was downplayed. Does anyone else think that some of Kurt's self esteem issues might be linked to this type of bullying he went through? And yes, Kurt is a strong character. He went through it all almost silently, gracefully, even. Dave went through some of what he put Kurt through (minus the sexual assault) for about a week, and collapsed like a house of cards. That says something about Kurt's strength of character. I don't know why the sexual assault (the forced kiss, the creepy leering) was never dealt with openly, but maybe RIB didn't want to make it a sexual assault storyline because it would stray too far from their original vision of a bullying storyline.

It's weird. Quinn and Kurt are like opposites. Kurt goes through so much crap, and he comes out a stronger and better character for it. Quinn goes through tough issues too, but it's like she never learns or grows as a character, and still remains a shallow character at her core. WTF?

[brisallie]

I was heavyly bullied at school from 11 to 14 years-old, and I don't think the people who bullied me specifically loathed themselves. I was jusy an easy target, and for teenagers who are still struggling with who they are and their place in the society, being a bully is just a way to have some kind of power of superiority. Some might indeed really have self-hate, but others just do it because they can, because they will make their friends laugh by embarrasing you, because they would like to see you cty (do you realize the impression of power they have when they manage to make someone cry).

I'm agree that being accepted by your classmates is so important by some teenagers, that it became in a sort of "entertainment" to bully the easy target in order to get the attention and laughing from your pals. I'd say that a kind of bully, but I insist they're other bullies who have a depth issue behind.

As regards of Karofsky, is something that is hard for me to understand. I think he was planned to be just another jock who usually bullies Glee Club, but at some point it went too far. When he started to be seen as a person who has a story behind, who has feelings as well. And I think writers didn't expect he was going to get this attention, he even got a fanbase.

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I was heavyly bullied at school from 11 to 14 years-old, and I don't think the people who bullied me specifically loathed themselves. I was jusy an easy target, and for teenagers who are still struggling with who they are and their place in the society, being a bully is just a way to have some kind of power of superiority. Some might indeed really have self-hate, but others just do it because they can, because they will make their friends laugh by embarrasing you, because they would like to see you cty (do you realize the impression of power they have when they manage to make someone cry).

I'm agree that being accepted by your classmates is so important by some teenagers, that it became in a sort of "entertainment" to bully the easy target in order to get the attention and laughing from your pals. I'd say that a kind of bully, but I insist they're other bullies who have a depth issue behind.

As regards of Karofsky, is something that is hard for me to understand. I think he was planned to be just another jock who usually bullies Glee Club, but at some point it went too far. When he started to be seen as a person who has a story behind, who has feelings as well. And I think writers didn't expect he was going to get this attention, he even got a fanbase.

But why seek that negative attention when you can go a more positive route? It's so...twisted. Chris went more positive route in getting attention: performing, throwing himself into every school activity possible, being an overacheiver, being a class clown, even making fun of himself (which isn't always a good thing). But bullying others and making them feel bad? No, he left that to the degenerate assholes at his school.

[brisallie]

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I'm not sure if this society is twisted, but I think people liked the misfortune of others. I'd like to give you a better answer, more explained. But is the first thing that came to my mind, I'm not implying everybody "enjoy" that, but I've seen it. And school is a society by itself, that what my teachers have told me.

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But why would you enjoy that if your life wasn't missing something somehow?

[Ranwing]

Back to the clip from the view, which I very much enjoyed because of Kurtcheltana bickering (always entertaining), but also because as someone on Porcelain_fans pointed out, Adam is there watching this. Now, given that they are talking about their classes being canceled for the day due to the blizzard, the odds are that this scene takes place in the morning. And Adam is there.

Now, either Adam spent the night in the loft (Go Kurt! Get that!) or it means that Adam trekked to the loft in a blizzard to be with Kurt. Either way that bodes very well for those of us rooting for Kadam. And it shows that Adam is most definately a keeper.

Besides... look at that nice soft, fluffy hair... so much nicer to run your fingers through than the oil slick.

[fantastica]

i am not a shipper, but seeing adam in kurt's loft during a bad blizzard makes me feel warm and fuzzy.

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I like that thinking Go with the handsome British chap, Kurt. Not the whiny greaseball.

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[SPOILER 4X18] Sam & Brittany cantarão "More Than Words".

— Gleek Out! Brasil (@GleekOutBR) March 6, 2013

As an Extreme fan who grew up on town over them, and saw them in concert before they were big (when Gary Cherone offered me candy corn), I find though thought of this frightening!

[fantastica]

^ just cover your ears or use the mute button. FF the whole thing since you have DVR. w/ modern technology nobody can force you to watch or listen to anything, unless you are seriously masochistic (ok, many of us here apparently ARE ).

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Considering it's a no Kurt episode, maybe I'll just skip it.

But then again, I'm a gutton fo punishment.

[Glorfindel]

Oh for God's sake, Chord and Heather can never do justice to 'More Than Words'.
Really, Glee?
Whoever is dealing out songs this season must be on crack or something.

From that video clip it's obvious that Kurt knows about Rachel's "pregnancy" and he is teasing her. Santana's methods are a little too bitchy, but I think both of them know.

Okay, this has to be said. Kurt was being bitchy about this as well. Teasing Rachel about a possible pregnancy. This is not a laughing matter for her.

I didn't take it like this at all. I think that Kurt does not know about the pregnancy (scare) yet in this scene. Or else he would not have teased Rachel like that.
My speculation is that the pregnancy (scare) is revealed later, when they are sitting on the couch after watching the movies, as Santana is talking and Kurt says "Go on", after which Rachel responds with "Here we go".

[Glorfindel]

The bullying arc:
Yes, there are bullies who bully simply because they can. That is not to say that there isn't some insecurity or social order anxiety bothering them, or other minor to major issues. But the truth is that for most of them it usually is a minor issue, an issue that many if not most kids (and adults) have to deal with as well. But you know what: not all of them resort to bullying to get it our of their system. Bullies choose to deliberately hurt others, simply because it makes themselves feel better. Bullying is still a choice someone makes, and lots of people choose not to give into the primal urge of taking their frustrations out on a seemingly weaker kid. They are the brave and strong ones.
Like Chris was: he poured his angers, frustrations and insecurities out on paper and he made a movie about a not so nice person, who still could have behaved a lot nastier if he had chosen to do so, but Carson didn't. And Carson had many major issues to deal with, issues that were not his fault and were damaging to the core of his being, issues that would 'justify' him being a social jerk at times, but he didn't turn into a vicious bully just because he could. He only let that part come out when he was desperate and really needed it for his future, and even then he tried to cause as little damage as possible for the kids he was blackmailing.
So yeah, I think most bullies are not tragic figures who must be pitied even when they make other people's life a living hell. And even the bullies with the major problems still had the choice to not bully and find some help or deal with their troubles in a different way, like take up boxing or something. Bullies are weak and they opt for the easy way out. There is no excuse for bullying, none at all. Although this doesn't mean that bullies don't deserve help when they need it and want it.

As for woobifying Karofsky and belittling Kurt's bullying: there were several canon references to that. One being Kurt himself in the Heart/Lima Bean scene, only focusing on the shoving in lockers and not the death threat, and referring to the sexual assault as the 'hate-kiss' (WTF?); another being Sue saying that "Dave was having his troubles with Porcelain" when it was the other way around: Kurt had troubles with Dave.
Or how about Kurt being forced to walk in the hallways to class and have small-talk with his former bully, right after he transferred back to the school that the same bully scared him away from with a death threat. And Just like now with Blaine's cheating Kurt was not allowed to voice his pain and suffering from the bullying that Karofsky caused him, once that RIB+ decided that Karofsky was to be made the good guy in the bullying arc.
Karofsky was sorry and tried to make ammends and that's fine. And Kurt being Kurt he forgave him, but this should not be automatically expected or required when someone says they're sorry. And I think it would almost be impossible to start a genuine, equal friendship after that, especially considering how bad Karofsky's bullying of Kurt was (plus Dave was still very demanding and inconsiderate of Kurt at Valentine's Day, which was not a good sign for a future friendship).
Did Dave deserve attention, sympathy and help after he tried to commit suicide? Yes of course. But it should never have been Kurt giving it to him after being victim-blamed, not without at least an adult present.

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