Re: Kurt Hummel Snark & Bark Thread--Part 5

[CloveGlee]

Follow up to Suggestion For a Tweet Campaign

OK, here it is. It needs to come across as a response to seeing the episode. So, here’s my idea.

The hashtag is #WewantKurt’sPOV

The other sentiments, such as “We want to hear from the guy who got cheated on” and “More screen time for the two-time Emmy nominee” can be in addition. The time: 9:00 p.m. Central time, this coming Thursday November 8, as soon as the episode ends. To: Ryan, Ian and Brad. No insults. Nothing belligerent. Be polite.

Help out and reblog. Even a few hundred tweets will may help them understand that the fans actually care about how Kurt feels about stuff.
#Chris Colfer #Kurt Hummel #lol Glee #lol klaine

[Ireth]

What I'm hearing about Burt taking Blaine to NY to surprise Kurt is the worst thing so far. I always thought Burt was the one thing Blaine could never steal from Kurt and the Kurt-Burt relationship was the one relationship Glee could never ruin. If this really happens I obviously thought wrong...Why the hell would Burt "You matter, Kurt" Hummel, the man who would go to any length to fight for Kurt make Kurt meet his whiny, cheating hypocritical ex when Kurt should be getting over being betrayed by and having his heart broken by said ex and only decide on his terms when to meet said ex, that is if he ever wants to. And that too, at Christmas, which is one time Kurt should definitely spend happily?

[CloveGlee]

You know what the real reason is?

Because Glee does not regard cheating as a serious problem. It never has. It's an excuse to break people up for ten minutes. That has been the case consistently. Absolutely everybody on Glee cheats all the time. The only thing that's different is that for the first time, our darling is the victim. Rachel cheated on Finn and she eventually got him back. Finn cheated on Quinn with Rachel and everybody cheered. Will cheated on his wife with Emma and everybody rooted for them. He made out with Shelby and Emma got mad at him for a month. Same thing here.

This story was never about the breakup of Klaine. It was a speedbump to shake up their story and give them something new to do. I think they are rushing the reunion by about three months, but I knew it was inevitable.

[brisallie]

Spoiler:

By other side I understand what CloveGlee pointed that in Gleeworld it doesn't matter if you had cheated on someone because everybody does that and is like a rule. But honestly I was hoping Klaine broke up forever, or again in Gleeworld at least until the end of the season.

[Jellyrolls]

Hey all,

There seems to be some spoilerish stuff going on this thread now. Is everyone OK with that? Or do we want to keep snark and bark a spoiler free zone?

[Glorfindel]

Hey all,

There seems to be some spoilerish stuff going on this thread now. Is everyone OK with that? Or do we want to keep snark and bark a spoiler free zone?

In other words: anyone who is not a spoiler ho raise their hand!

I'm fine with spoilers being trashed 'discussed' here sometimes, but if there is someone who wants to stay spoiler free..... back to spoiler bars it is. It's not a big effort to make, after all.

[coxfire]

Hey all,

There seems to be some spoilerish stuff going on this thread now. Is everyone OK with that? Or do we want to keep snark and bark a spoiler free zone?

the problem is that the spoilers have been so infuriating lately that it is really hard not to snark and bark talking about them...So either we Snark&Bark in the spoiler thread or we spoil in the S&B one....

Right now, getting back to spoiler bars in the S&B seems the best solution, no? Anyway:

Spoiler:

Honestly, I REALLY hope I'm wrong and that the spoilers only covered part of what'll see and that it will be better than what we envisage but as we usually say: THIS IS GLEE.

[Ireth]

Oops I completely forgot about spoiler tags, I just got angry and started typing

I'm fine with what everyone decides about spoiler tags.

[tanita_mors]

i never minded the cheating itself. it happens. even the redirected blame on kurt by blaine happens in rl. but what i'm bothered is the sheer lack of kurt's side of the story here. yes, he is hurt and what else ... . and had this been a pure blaine storyline, i wouldn't have minded kurt's absence. the same thing happened to blaine on more then one ocation in relation to kurt. but this is a klaine storyline. shouldn't both of them be equally featured in it ??? that is i think the triggering point for everyone. particularly when kurt was considered to be on of the shows leads and chris a top acting talent. how do you fuck that up ?

[ChrisColferFan1]

i never minded the cheating itself. it happens. even the redirected blame on kurt by blaine happens in rl. but what i'm bothered is the sheer lack of kurt's side of the story here. yes, he is hurt and what else ... . and had this been a pure blaine storyline, i wouldn't have minded kurt's absence. the same thing happened to blaine on more then one ocation in relation to kurt. but this is a klaine storyline. shouldn't both of them be equally featured in it ??? that is i think the triggering point for everyone. particularly when kurt was considered to be on of the shows leads and chris a top acting talent. how do you fuck that up ?

Agree with the entire above post 100%.

[CloveGlee]

Help me tweet about that POV problem on Thursday.

http://cloveglee.tumblr.com/post/35034710101/follow-up-to-suggestion-for-a-tweet-campaign

[Glorfindel]

i never minded the cheating itself. it happens. even the redirected blame on kurt by blaine happens in rl. but what i'm bothered is the sheer lack of kurt's side of the story here. yes, he is hurt and what else ... . and had this been a pure blaine storyline, i wouldn't have minded kurt's absence. the same thing happened to blaine on more then one ocation in relation to kurt. but this is a klaine storyline. shouldn't both of them be equally featured in it ??? that is i think the triggering point for everyone. particularly when kurt was considered to be on of the shows leads and chris a top acting talent. how do you fuck that up ?

This.

I have the feeling that RIB are treating it strictly as a Blaine storyline, not a Klaine one.

It's baffling how Glee is wasting its best actors and singers. All of them except Cory seem to be on the backburner right now, even Lea! I really don't get it.

[CloveGlee]

I just had a flash of understanding.

I listened to "Being Alive." Theory. The song that gets Kurt into NYADA is also the emotional climax of his storyline with Blaine. It's when he actually forgives him. Those lyrics are pretty much about loving somebody who has hurt you terribly. Kurt gets the last word on the story - but it may not be the word some of his fans want.

It will be interesting to see how this works out, but now that I've actually heard the song, it makes narrative sense for anybody who doesn't just want to blast Blaine's head off with a cannon. And it explains why Kurt gets in this time; his last audition was lively and cute and adorable, but this one has emotional power. It's clear he's speaking from a place deep inside, unlike all the others who don't really understand the song.

I am sorry that Kurt may not get to date anybody else. I really think making one character have only a single romantic partner his entire life is unhealthy and unrealistic. Especially when it's somebody who is at least as big a head case as Blaine is.

Read these lyrics.

http://www.allmusicals.com/lyrics/company/beingalive.htm

Read especially the comments from the other characters. Look at what they are urging him to do, and why. Look at their arguments. New theory... this entire storyline was intended as the context for Kurt's audition. It's actually about how he got into NYADA. It's how he topped "The Boy Next Door." They figured out how to fix his narrative. In a manner of speaking.

[ChrisColferFan1]

i never minded the cheating itself. it happens. even the redirected blame on kurt by blaine happens in rl. but what i'm bothered is the sheer lack of kurt's side of the story here. yes, he is hurt and what else ... . and had this been a pure blaine storyline, i wouldn't have minded kurt's absence. the same thing happened to blaine on more then one ocation in relation to kurt. but this is a klaine storyline. shouldn't both of them be equally featured in it ??? that is i think the triggering point for everyone. particularly when kurt was considered to be on of the shows leads and chris a top acting talent. how do you fuck that up ?

This.

I have the feeling that RIB are treating it strictly as a Blaine storyline, not a Klaine one.

It's baffling how Glee is wasting its best actors and singers. All of them except Cory seem to be on the backburner right now, even Lea! I really don't get it.

I agree. What, I am most upset about is the lack of Kurt's side. If Kurt had been the one who cheated I am sure we would have seen Blaine's side.

[Divalicious]

I just had a flash of understanding.

I listened to "Being Alive." Theory. The song that gets Kurt into NYADA is also the emotional climax of his storyline with Blaine. It's when he actually forgives him. Those lyrics are pretty much about loving somebody who has hurt you terribly. Kurt gets the last word on the story - but it may not be the word some of his fans want.

It will be interesting to see how this works out, but now that I've actually heard the song, it makes narrative sense for anybody who doesn't just want to blast Blaine's head off with a cannon. And it explains why Kurt gets in this time; his last audition was lively and cute and adorable, but this one has emotional power. It's clear he's speaking from a place deep inside, unlike all the others who don't really understand the song.

I am sorry that Kurt may not get to date anybody else. I really think making one character have only a single romantic partner his entire life is unhealthy and unrealistic. Especially when it's somebody who is at least as big a head case as Blaine is.

Read these lyrics.

http://www.allmusicals.com/lyrics/company/beingalive.htm

Read especially the comments from the other characters. Look at what they are urging him to do, and why. Look at their arguments. New theory... this entire storyline was intended as the context for Kurt's audition. It's actually about how he got into NYADA. It's how he topped "The Boy Next Door." They figured out how to fix his narrative. In a manner of speaking.

We have strong indications the song is from Company, but I don't know if we have direct confirmation about what song he sings. The more I hear of this one, the more I hope it is his song. Chris is one of the few actors on this show who can act and sing at the same time. His expressions and emotions carry the words on how he is feeling. Just like Rose's Turn, he summarizes his feeling about the situation completely in the song. I am okay if this is how Kurt comes to his realization, mainly because I know without a doubt that they will have Kurt forgive Blaine somehow. I would rather it be with a powerful song on Kurt's part, rather than giving into puppy dog eyes and another Blaine solo.

That being said, I also hope Kurt adds an addendum to his reconciliation when it does happen. Like, cheat on me again, in any form, and I will take the handsomest, sexiest guy in Manhattan to bed, and take pictures. And means it. Kurt needs his power back.

[Glorfindel]

I just had a flash of understanding.

I listened to "Being Alive." Theory. The song that gets Kurt into NYADA is also the emotional climax of his storyline with Blaine. It's when he actually forgives him. Those lyrics are pretty much about loving somebody who has hurt you terribly. Kurt gets the last word on the story - but it may not be the word some of his fans want.

It will be interesting to see how this works out, but now that I've actually heard the song, it makes narrative sense for anybody who doesn't just want to blast Blaine's head off with a cannon. And it explains why Kurt gets in this time; his last audition was lively and cute and adorable, but this one has emotional power. It's clear he's speaking from a place deep inside, unlike all the others who don't really understand the song.

I am sorry that Kurt may not get to date anybody else. I really think making one character have only a single romantic partner his entire life is unhealthy and unrealistic. Especially when it's somebody who is at least as big a head case as Blaine is.

Read these lyrics.

http://www.allmusicals.com/lyrics/company/beingalive.htm

Read especially the comments from the other characters. Look at what they are urging him to do, and why. Look at their arguments. New theory... this entire storyline was intended as the context for Kurt's audition. It's actually about how he got into NYADA. It's how he topped "The Boy Next Door." They figured out how to fix his narrative. In a manner of speaking.

If Blaine's cheating on Kurt is the extra oomph Kurt needs to be accepted at NYADA I might barf.

I'm sorry, but that is a horrible reasoning for the cheating storyline. There are numerous love songs out there for Kurt to sing at his audition if he needed to be inspired by Blaine, the saviour of all, to go that extra length to get into NYADA.
Or, if Kurt really needed more inspiration to nail his audition than getting effeminaphobic slurs in his face all year long so he could sing a song about accepting to be flamboyant gay, Kurt could simply be inspired by his first wonderful Vogue win and sing 'The Impossible Dream', 'My Way', 'You'll Never Walk Alone', or for Christ's sake even 'My Strongest Suit' or 'Popular'.

If Kurt's eye-opener that, despite all, he still loves Blaine after he cheated, is needed for him to be extra emotional and pumped for his audition this time around..... that's just awful. Then you don't know Kurt, nor do the writers.
Kurt can do very well on his own. His NTBND was not just lively and cute and adorable: it had a lot of emotional power as well (in case you didn't get it: the emotion was "Screw all of you here in Lima"). Kurt doesn't need to top his last audition: that audition was perfect.
There never was, nor never will be, any narrative sense or planned purpose for Kurt needing to top his first audition. I don't buy it. It wasn't planned that Kurt would lose NYADA: he was supposed to win.
Having to audition again now is only a necessary formality, not a clever thought out plan, and certainly not a plan that would sacrifice Blaine at the altar. Do you really believe RIB would paint golden boy Blaine in such a bad light just so Kurt can nail his audition?

Besides, 2 things disagree with your theory:
1) If the NYADA audition is the main reason (or one of the main reasons) for the cheating storyline, then why was there no bigger build-up for this audition besides a few blink-and-you'll-miss-them comments, and why is there hardly any focus on Kurt after the break-up? There are 2 episodes without him. They can't just drop this, to revisit it in episode 9, and in the meantime give Blaine a lot of focus, if it's all about NYADA. It's clear that the development of Blaine is the main reason here.
2) Chris chose his audition song himself, only merely a week ago. If this audition was the crucial point of the cheating storyline, it would have been chosen months ago.

The cheating storyline was not constructed to make Kurt a stronger performer at his 2nd audition. If anything, the NYADA audition is being used in the (redeem-Blaine-from-the) cheating storyline, when I think at first it were 2 completely seperated storylines.
Chris chose this song, after the Klaine break-up, and I think he had what happened to his character Kurt in mind, probably already knowing that Klaine will reunite in the future, or at least become friends again, when he chose 'Being Alive'.
Chris is using this song to tell Kurt's story in this very one-sided storyline for 2 people, not RIB, although I'm sure they love to pick Chris' brain and will jump at the possibilities this song provides for Blaine's redemption.
But Chris is the one that took this opportunity to tell Kurt's POV, by singing a power Broadway song no less. He did it before with 'Rose's Turn' and AIWNSG.
Chris is a much better storyteller than RIB could ever be.

[Adamina]

Chris chose this song, after the Klaine break-up, and I think he had what happened to his character Kurt in mind, probably already knowing that Klaine will reunite in the future, or at least become friends again, when he chose 'Being Alive'.
Chris is using this song to tell Kurt's story in this very one-sided storyline for 2 people, not RIB, although I'm sure they love to pick Chris' brain and will jump at the possibilities this song provides for Blaine's redemption.
But Chris is the one that took this opportunity to tell Kurt's POV, by singing a power Broadway song no less. He did it before with 'Rose's Turn' and AIWNSG.
Chris is a much better storyteller than RIB could ever be.

I love how Chris finds so many ways to redeem the bad writing for Kurt . I will always wonder how Kurt would have turned out if he'd been given control.

[Divalicious]

Actually Chris really did create Kurt, I think the only characters they had developed going into the show were the original 3 couples, Finchel/Wemma/Quick. Everyone else was background. Thus, those who rose above, by doing intriguing things in the background, or investing their character with more than one note kind of created their own roles. People who didn't do so much, either remained in the background or went away, like Matt. Some, with their acting abilities got downgraded, or lack of interest in their characters also helped push some into the background.

I think that is another reason Chris loves Kurt, because he knows before him, he had no real role models on television, especially not teenage ones. Despite all the dreck he remembers what Kurt means to the audience he created him for, and won't let us down. I think the writers even know that if Chris really feels Kurt is doing something he would never do, he will give nuances to indicate what he really feels, so you might as well give him what he wants, because in the end that is what you will get.

Artists are supposed to use their pain and experience to infuse the role, or song, and if Kurt infuses his song with his feelings towards Blaine and it helps, I am all for it. Because it is Kurt singing it, not being sung to sitting on a stool like so many other times. Kurt getting to voice his pain and anger, and deal with his emotions. That it being because of Blaine is just a blip to me, because I want to hear Kurt sing something amazing, and probably do an amazing dance as well. Blaine sings all poppy happy songs fine, but the sad emotional ones are overdone, in my opinion. Kurt can do it all, and it is nice to remind the audience what real dramatic talent can do for a show. Hopefully, make the audience question why Kurt sits on that damn stool so many times, when he can out fabulous anyone in the room.

Here's hoping for high kicks in tight pants

[brisallie]

...


I agree. What, I am most upset about is the lack of Kurt's side. If Kurt had been the one who cheated I am sure we would have seen Blaine's side.

So at the end whoever who have been the cheater, we would have seen ONLY Blaine's side ¬¬ because currently it seems he's the one who has the biggest role. Honestly I'm not even sure if Finn is still the lead male, probably he's still is but in second comes Blaine.

By other side, I've read your comments and collect information. And I'm glad that Chris was the one who pick Kurt's re-audition song for NYADA, because is a way to see what his POV of everything was going lately with Klaine, though I'm not totally pleased to mix both storylines. Is because I don't want to see Blaine involved in everything related to Kurt. They should have their own SL.

[Glorfindel]

Actually Chris really did create Kurt, I think the only characters they had developed going into the show were the original 3 couples, Finchel/Wemma/Quick. Everyone else was background. Thus, those who rose above, by doing intriguing things in the background, or investing their character with more than one note kind of created their own roles. People who didn't do so much, either remained in the background or went away, like Matt. Some, with their acting abilities got downgraded, or lack of interest in their characters also helped push some into the background.

People kept complaining (especially in season 2: the Kurt Hummel Show ) that Kurt was a solid character because the writing for Kurt was so much better. I disagree.
It was Chris who kept Kurt together, not RIB. When he acted his storylines Chris knew Kurt's past and the way he normally behaves. And when Kurt was merely in the back ground Chris still managed to get his character's thoughts and views across to the audience. And Chris never once broke character. That is why Kurt is such a strong and 'real' character.
Cory, Lea and Jane can do the same: their characters may go through several brain transplants, and Finn, Rachel or Sue may do douchey things, but I still believe in them as being 'real' characters.

I think that is another reason Chris loves Kurt, because he knows before him, he had no real role models on television, especially not teenage ones. Despite all the dreck he remembers what Kurt means to the audience he created him for, and won't let us down. I think the writers even know that if Chris really feels Kurt is doing something he would never do, he will give nuances to indicate what he really feels, so you might as well give him what he wants, because in the end that is what you will get.

A prime example would be DWS, where Kurt defied Blaine, as Kurt would, and I don't think that that was RIB's intention when they wrote that episode.

Artists are supposed to use their pain and experience to infuse the role, or song, and if Kurt infuses his song with his feelings towards Blaine and it helps, I am all for it. Because it is Kurt singing it, not being sung to sitting on a stool like so many other times. Kurt getting to voice his pain and anger, and deal with his emotions. That it being because of Blaine is just a blip to me, because I want to hear Kurt sing something amazing, and probably do an amazing dance as well. Blaine sings all poppy happy songs fine, but the sad emotional ones are overdone, in my opinion. Kurt can do it all, and it is nice to remind the audience what real dramatic talent can do for a show. Hopefully, make the audience question why Kurt sits on that damn stool so many times, when he can out fabulous anyone in the room.

I have 2 thoughts about this:

1) Of course artists use their own experiences and own pain to help them emote and relate to the roles they play and the songs they sing. But when it comes to a performance, that pain and experience should be a back ground factor, a catalyst, but not the real, personal emotions being conveyed. It's a tool to be used, but nothing during a performance should be your 'real' emotions. You can't just act out/let out your emotions during a performance. There has to be focus, concentration and putting yourself in service of the song. Not even talking about remembering lines and choreography.
Never ever must a performer allow his own emotions to take over a performance, and especially not an important audition like this. That's what really irritated me when Rachel sang 'My Man' in 'Funeral', and when she and Finn lost it in 'Pretending'. I was 100% on Jesse's side with that one. It's highly unprofessional. (And that's also why Rachel should have never gotten a solo at Nationals, after blowing her audition, and using Nationals as her 2nd audition: too many personal emotions.)

That Kurt uses his pain about breaking up with Blaine as a tool to be a better performer: fine, but please don't let him make it too personal like that. And Godallmighty: don't let them insert slowmotion flashbacks of Blaine into Kurt's audition, like they did with Rachel's 'My Man' (and you just know they will, so better prepare).

But I admit that this is a professional POV, and 99% of the viewers don't give a hoot about how it's supposed to be done at auditions, but just enjoy the schmaltz and the drama of it all.
(So I'll end my passionate rant here, lol.)

Having said that:
2) So this is Glee and no character can sing an audition or competition song without having a secondary reason (besides just winning the damn thing they are singing for). Mike trying to please his dad, Rachel pining over a guy, Finn trying to win Rachel back, Kurt defying the gay stamp they put on him. So Kurt singing an audition song that also refers to Blaine..... well, it's inevitable on Glee, although I don't like it.

However: if RIB will portray it in such a way that the pain and experience Kurt got from Blaine's cheating somehow gives him the edge he needed to win NYADA this time around..... I don't even have words for that. That would be a horrible, horrible message.

Plus: I think that Kurt has had enough heartache and pain to draw from for a lifetime of performances. He really didn't need to have his heart broken by Blaine on top of that to be a good performer.

[Glorfindel]

There will be a season 4, volume 1 album. Just look at the songs they chose:
(behind spoiler bars, because not all songs are out yet)

Spoiler:

- 2 Blaine solos and a Blam duet (and 2 solos in group numbers),
- no Rachel solo (but 2 duets),
- 2 Warblers song (1 of them being one of those Blaine solos),
- a lot of the newbies (they are in 6 of the 13 songs),
- Kurt only gets 1 line (in the Scientist),
- only a snipbit of the oldies Mercedes, Mike, Puck and Quinn (but ironically they seem to get more than Kurt),
- no Artie at all.


I'm too tired of this shit to rage, and I shouldn't have expected otherwise anyway, so consider this post as my appropiate ragey response to the Blee Glee album.

[CloveGlee]

First impression: They are focusing on the kids still at McKinley and veering away from the graduates. I think that's actually the most alarming thing, but the writing is on the wall.

Ryan intends to push all the old kids out. As far as he's concerned, it's time for Kitty, Marley and Jake to come to rule. I can feel it in my bones; this is the last season I will recap, because I am not doing this without Hummelberry. Also, Marie, the writing is also on the wall for Kurt.

Chris is not considered one of the show's desirable vocalists. I think the GA would prefer that he not sing that much. I got that impression from chatting with folks on Wet Paint. Therefore, Kurt will sing when it is narratively important, and at no other time.

[sheny]

Chris doesn't sing in this album too, just a little in "You're the one that I what" but they sure don't miss the opportunity to use his face to cell it. Why don't they use the newbies photos, they are singing almost everything in the album. And why is Brody even there?

About the other album 2 solos and 1 duet for Blaine. I'm too tired to rage, It could have been even worse. They could put all the songs he sang this season and then we would have a Blaine solo album again.
That Rachel/Brody duet Whyyyy? I didn't like it at all.
Why didn't they use "Don't speak' at least. Chris sounded great there.

[CloveGlee]

The cognitive dissonance is getting really confusing.

[Glorfindel]

Chris doesn't sing in this album too, just a little in "You're the one that I what" but they sure don't miss the opportunity to use his face to cell it. Why don't they use the newbies photos, they are singing almost everything in the album. And why is Brody even there?

Yes, the song distribution on this album is almost the same as on the 4-vol.1 album.
2 solos for Blaine, only a duet for Rachel, a lot of newbies, the graduates hauled in to do a cameo song, 1 line for Kurt, and nothing for Artie (nor Will). Sounds familiar?

And I see the false advertising is again very strong in this one too.
*echoing* Why is Brody even on the cover?

About the other album 2 solos and 1 duet for Blaine. I'm too tired to rage, It could have been even worse. They could put all the songs he sang this season and then we would have a Blaine solo album again.
That Rachel/Brody duet Whyyyy? I didn't like it at all.
Why didn't they use "Don't speak' at least. Chris sounded great there.

Well, at least they chose the best (as in: sucked the least) Brody/Rachel duet for the album.
And I really expected 'Don't Speak' on the album too.

It's rather astounding how much what the fans love and want deviates from what Fox is promoting.
It's like a reversed alternate universe. They've got it completely backwards.

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