Re: Kurt Hummel Snark & Bark Thread--Part 5

[fantastica]

i refuse to read it. not interested in this guy. period.

[arina]

Persoally I don't have any problem with that letter, Darren and Chris are independet people, I don't why they should make the same things and why would someone think Chris is bad because he did not write one .. But it's really nice note for Darren's fans imo and If it would Chris who wrote that I would be enjoying that as well..

[ColferInspired]

Persoally I don't have any problem with that letter, Darren and Chris are independet people, I don't why they should make the same things and why would someone think Chris is bad because he did not write one .. But it's really nice note for Darren's fans imo and If it would Chris who wrote that I would be enjoying that as well..

But we know how this fandom reacts. I don't think he should have done it to be honest. But it was nice for his fans I guess.

Darren is a saint, and it is like Chris is the devil.

He could have just done an interview like Chris did and left it at that. But it is his decision and it is the fandom fault for the way they react. He could have left out the things he has done, I'm sure his fans already know his achievements.

I don't think I have ever heard Chris list his achievements ever.

But Chris and Darren are different people so it is his choice.

[arina]

Well, like I said I liked that letter and I do think Darren is humble guy. But fans reactions is whole different story , I've just read complaints about Chris how insensitive is that he does not seem sad at all based on his interview compared to Darren who was watching the episode with his roomates and were sobbing or something...

[tanita_mors]

I'm OK with Darren having the need to reassure his fans. But I'm with Chris, that is with what he said in his interview. This is a tv show these are fictional characters.

[arina]

I'm OK with Darren having the need to reassure his fans. But I'm with Chris, that is with what he said in his interview. This is a tv show these are fictional characters.

Yeah, I agree.

I must say on the one hand when I read those fangirls' coments I feel kind of good about myself, beucase sometimes I think that I am really overreacting because of stupid tv show and thenI see that it could be alot of worse with me :-)

[ChrisColferFan1]

I'm OK with Darren having the need to reassure his fans. But I'm with Chris, that is with what he said in his interview. This is a tv show these are fictional characters.

I agree.

[BlueJazz]

I didn't bother to read Darren's message but i don't blame him for making Chris look bad. I belive that wasn't his intention and he has the right to post whatever he wants. I don't think we should bash him for that. He's probably just trying to control the fandom meltdown.

Besides, i can understand why some hardcore Klainers think Chris is insensitive when compared to Darren. The truth is a hard pill to swallow. I personally love Chris for being honest instead of spoiling the fans. It's the right thing to do and i would have given the same advice if i were him.

I believe that when the fans are capable to think rationally, they will laugh at themselves for being so invested in a TV show and fictional characters (i always do that after i got too worked up over Kurt spoilers ). That will be the time they realize that Chris is right.

PS: i think i'm going to tweet #ChrisColferIsBeautiful because of the Insiders interview. You guys can do the same if you want

[tanita_mors]

Chris isn't insensitive, but realistic. People should stop fixating themselves on a tv show and fictional relationships. I may sound cruel, but it will be healthier for everyone in the long run. Also, people who send hate to Chris are most likely teenagers or unstable people, that is those who lack maturity to differentiate between life and fiction.

Also, Chris and Darren are different people. Chris has always been realistic, short and to the point kind of guy in his opinions, while Darren likes to be long-winded, waxes philosophical and gives me the air of a pseudo-intellectual. Their views and opinions aren't going to be the same and aren't going to be presented the same. That is a fact, and those who can't live with it, should move on.

[ChrisColferFan1]

Chris isn't insensitive, but realistic. People should stop fixating themselves on a tv show and fictional relationships. I may sound cruel, but it will be healthier for everyone in the long run. Also, people who send hate to Chris are most likely teenagers or unstable people, that is those who lack maturity to differentiate between life and fiction.

Also, Chris and Darren are different people. Chris has always been realistic, short and to the point kind of guy in his opinions, while Darren likes to be long-winded, waxes philosophical and gives me the air of a pseudo-intellectual. Their views and opinions aren't going to be the same and aren't going to be presented the same. That is a fact, and those who can't live with it, should move on.

I agree. Chris is far from be insensitive very very far from it. I also agree with the rest of the post.

[ColferInspired]

Well, like I said I liked that letter and I do think Darren is humble guy. But fans reactions is whole different story , I've just read complaints about Chris how insensitive is that he does not seem sad at all based on his interview compared to Darren who was watching the episode with his roomates and were sobbing or something...

I find him a very enthusiatic person and maybe he doesn't think before he does things like this, which is not a bad thing, but frustrates me as I have known person like this, who is humble and really nice but jumps into things without realising there could be consequences, but then feels bad afterwards. But in this case it his fans fault not his so he shouldn't have to justify what he does.

Chris is Darren's friend and I'm sure if he knew all the hate he was getting because of this episode he would feel bad for him.

But Chris is a grown man, and Darren knows how strong he is and can fight his own battles.

[sheny]

Well, like I said I liked that letter and I do think Darren is humble guy. But fans reactions is whole different story , I've just read complaints about Chris how insensitive is that he does not seem sad at all based on his interview compared to Darren who was watching the episode with his roomates and were sobbing or something...

I find him a very enthusiatic person and maybe he doesn't think before he does things like this, which is not a bad thing, but frustrates me as I have known person like this, who is humble and really nice but jumps into things without realising there could be consequences, but then feels bad afterwards. But in this case it his fans fault not his so he shouldn't have to justify what he does.

Chris is Darren's friend and I'm sure if he knew all the hate he was getting because of this episode he would feel bad for him.

But Chris is a grown man, and Darren knows how strong he is and can fight his own battles.

I agree. Darren's note looks sweet, but haters find a way to twist his words as they want and to use even something like that against those they don't like. I don't understand why some of his fans love hating on Chris so much. If it wasn't for Chris and his character Blaine wouldn't even exist and Darren probably wouldn't be on the show at all.
And another thing I believe these two are not just colleagues but also friends from what I've read and heard in their interviews. They have to understand that hating on Chris is not doing Darren any favour. Probably the opposite. I would feel upset if someone was harassing my friends.

[Ranwing]

I appreciated Darren's post, but I'm going to call it for what it was. It was pandering. It's treating fans like little children who can't control their emotions and fly off the handle. It's something that a teen idol would say since his fans are primarily teens and pre-teens.

Chris doesn't pander. He looks at this storyline from the view of an actor and a writer (and I firmly believe that a great deal of the reason that he is both allows him to tailor his performances so beautifully). He was right that Klaine was becoming stagnant and needed to be shaken up. So telling the fans to calm their collective shit down and enjoy some great storytelling? Much more in line with how I like to be spoken to.

[CloveGlee]

I'd say Darren Criss is a man who knows his fans well. He knows what will make them happy, he knows what will make them love him - and he knows they are going to be broken by that episode. He handled it as best he could, as did Chris. They chose different methods. No criticism from me on that.

[valkeakuulas]

That is one long letter and I just can't concentrate for that long on how he, apparently thanks his fans...or something like that.

Blaine fans might need some consoling which makes me angry. People are saying "When did Glee become this sad?" Well for us Kurtsies Glee has been a sad, sad show for a very looooong time, which prevents me from feeling any sympathy towards hardcore Blaine fans. If you liked so much Blaine, and the way he has been surgically attached to Kurt, you could not have been able to miss how unhappy Kurt has been again for a very, very long time. So only now seeing the show kinda sucked for some and not for others is stupid!

I should not be so harsh but that is what I'm feeling. I'm not even upset about people stating that Blaine's character is now destroyed: for me this is the reverse, he's given much more than he was before and maybe Glee willl even dare to venture the uncharted territories of that infamous "I'm not for sale!" line. I'm just not sure if the makers intend to actually change the direction of the show and start talking about adult subjects for real since these first episodes give me that impression.

What I'm interested after instantenious replay of Kurt parts (first time this season) is how Blaine seems to equate loneliness with the lach physical ie. sexual things, but around Kurt he uses euphemism such as "messing around" so treating Kurt as this fragile thing unable to handle sex at all. OK, I'm agreeing to a point that a boy that talks naturally about schedulling makeout sessions is not the first one to be Blaine's go-to-guy about sex. So really hoping that for their relationship equality, since I still believe Klaine will be endgame, this side of their relationship has to be at least on some level talked and delt with. Especially because now they are having Blaine needing sex/"hooking-up" to survive in Lima. And more to the point of Blaine needing sex to survive: the way he spits at Kurt's face the fact that it doesn't matter who he was with just proves further my own point, it seem all physical at this point which might be a sign of something much more and worth characher development. (Darren angry/hurt/guilty burst was really good, suprisingly good.)

Where did I start? Oh yes, I'm shamelessly loving at looking at this trainwreck because that's what it feels for lot of Klaine lovers. Call me a sadist then, fine. At the same time I remember how painfull it was for Kurtsies for so long and, after one episode of bliss, continues to be. But Kurtsies have had a longer time at adapting which I'm sure Blainers will develope too. And like Chris said: this is just a TV show, a quite bad one at that, so no reason going overboard just because of it.

[fantastica]

witnesses at teh central park shooting said that after "cut" darren and chris were laughing. they knew they were actors and whatever they were shooting didn't bother them like the fans did. if some fans actually think that darren is heart broken like they are about klaine breaking up he should be sobbing between the takes as well. these fans are just... what should say? actually i have no words for them. actors know they are doing something fake. it's their job and their job is to pretend to be someone else they are not. otherwise who would want to play the bad guy? playing someone doesn't make you someone. fans shoudl grow up and learn the truth.

[Glorfindel]

Remember when I speculated that Blaine would get a full fledged stage solo for his Grease song, because it's,.... you know, Blaine? Well.....

Spoiler:

Of f*cking course.
After the break-up episode I cannot look at his face anymore.

[Divalicious]

Spoiler:

[Ranwing]

Remember when I speculated that Blaine would get a full fledged stage solo for his Grease song, because it's,.... you know, Blaine? Well.....

Spoiler:

Of f*cking course.
After the break-up episode I cannot look at his face anymore.

I actually don't mind it because hopefully it's the start of Blaine's self examination that's so long overdue. He's been that perfect, dapper figure for so long and this might throw into sharp relief just how hollow a facade it all is.

I'm more irritated about some of the spoilers that I've been seeing and no hint of a Kurt solo any time soon. Grrrr....

[sahhar]

Judging by recent set reports and Chris's latest interview I don't think he's done much filming or singing. The next few episodes post the hiatus seem really Kurt light to me, unfortunately. So, yeah, not really excited for the post hiatus episodes.

Grease is my favorite movie musical of all time. I've watched it more than any other film I can imagine. I've been watching it since I was a kid, but I'm not the least bit happy about the school play because Kurt doesn't seem to be in it, at all.

[M&M]

Judging by recent set reports and Chris's latest interview I don't think he's done much filming or singing. The next few episodes post the hiatus seem really Kurt light to me, unfortunately. So, yeah, not really excited for the post hiatus episodes.

Grease is my favorite movie musical of all time. I've watched it more than any other film I can imagine. I've been watching it since I was a kid, but I'm not the least bit happy about the school play because Kurt doesn't seem to be in it, at all.

That is how I saw it too. To me, I am guessing very minor and maybe background on the one song Lea said the originals were filming for Glease. I honestly don't think they know what to do with Kurt. I think we can count on 4.08 also being Kurt-lite because won't that be sectionals? I am not going to watch unless it is in gof form and Kurt edits. Not worth it.

The thing that saddened me most in that interview was im saying how me missed performing. We miss you too, Chris.

How did this show go so horribly wrong?

[Jellyrolls]

How did this show go so horribly wrong?

I still pinpoint the introduction of Blaine as the start of the downfalll of Glee. That was when the feel of the show changed, and they started gearing it to a younger audience. They started putting in more and more pop songs, and started putting in songs that didn't add antying to the story. That was the day that when they started picking songs they thought would sell instead of songs to tell the story. That was when they really started pandering to the loudest fans, and wrote the show the loudest fans wanted instead of the show they original planned to write.

It's really ashame that they don't utilize Chris better. He is capable of so much more than they let him do.

[M&M]

How did this show go so horribly wrong?

I still pinpoint the introduction of Blaine as the start of the downfalll of Glee. That was when the feel of the show changed, and they started gearing it to a younger audience. They started putting in more and more pop songs, and started putting in songs that didn't add antying to the story. That was the day that when they started picking songs they thought would sell instead of songs to tell the story. That was when they really started pandering to the loudest fans, and wrote the show the loudest fans wanted instead of the show they original planned to write.

It's really ashame that they don't utilize Chris better. He is capable of so much more than they let him do.

I completely agree. His introduction was good and a minimal role. Then they sent Kurt to Dalton and the split storylines started to really separate the fandom. I think it was also around this time that it was pretty obvious that RIB were listening to the fans and Blaine became a human jukebox and Kurt's role was reduced and he was kept at Dalton for far longer than intended.

There are a couple stories of what was supposed to happen with Blaine.
1. He was supposed to be Kurt's friend, Kurt stood up to Karofsky and continued on at McKinley.
2. Kurt transferred for an episode or 2, but comes back relatively quickly.

In both instances, Blaine was to remain a mentor, one year older, and only be on like 3 episodes. Kurt was ret-conned in season 2 to a sophmore, which they later rescinded and Blaine was a junior, which they also recinded. Itunes and Darren stans/Starkids (as well as the media) got loud about Blaine and this is the end result. They ruined their own show by listening to their fans too much, and it is still happening.

I also am pretty positive Darren has some ind of crazy awesome contract that got him into being the star this year, but that's a story for another post.

[Delight]

^ then waht happened? did she dump him? do they have kids together?

They had children, and they stayed together because of the children. However, the broken trust could not be mended, and it's a cause for a lot of heartache for many years, and the hurt never quite went away.

I'm OK with Darren having the need to reassure his fans. But I'm with Chris, that is with what he said in his interview. This is a tv show these are fictional characters.

^ I second this comment.

Remember when I speculated that Blaine would get a full fledged stage solo for his Grease song, because it's,.... you know, Blaine? Well.....

Spoiler:

Of f*cking course.
After the break-up episode I cannot look at his face anymore.

Some part of me had thought, 'Surely they wouldn't be so blatant in their favouritism?' Looks like I was wrong.

It doesn't matter if Blaine gets a big role or a small role in the musical. It's Blaine, so we'll be subjected to a full performance with bells and whistles and the whole jazz. When he performs without the bells and whistles to distract the viewers from his 'emotive' face, it's often agonizing to watch. If Blaine had been Officer Krupke last season, we would've seen a whole scene of him playing Krupke, and none of Kurt (if he had been male lead) singing.

I also am pretty positive Darren has some ind of crazy awesome contract that got him into being the star this year, but that's a story for another post.

I have similar suspicions too. Otherwise, I really can't see why in a show with an ensemble cast this huge would Blaine be singing in practically every single freaking episode, and in 4 out of 6 songs in the most recent one. I feel as if Glee had become nothing more than a platform to promote certain singers on the show. It used to be a musical, where the songs actually play a role in telling the story.

[brisallie]

...

How did this show go so horribly wrong?

I think other people have answered your question but also I think the introduction of Blaine was the doom for Glee. Probably I'm overreacting but I feel the environment changed after he arrived, sometimes I watch season one and it was better then. I've thought this lots of time What would have happened if Blaine didn't exist? Maybe is not the best to blame him for all what happen on Glee because writers are guilty too but as I said before things changed after he got to the series.

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