Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread--part 4

[fantastica]

how to watch 4.01: plan your dinner so that all dishes will cook on the stove and require your constant attendance. when the show starts, start cooking...

for those who must eat before 9pm: plan your dinner and use as many pots and pans as possible, and make sure there are burnt on grease so it will take forever to scrub them off. Make sure you will finish your meal by 9pm. Then when the show starts, start washing dishes by hand.

[Divalicious]

After I started watching in season 1 I would have been upset about not seeing Glee live. Season 2 and 3 I discovered livestream, and was upset when I missed that, on top of watching it live. Now, I am just thankful I work Thursday nights, and will be fast forwarding through this mess Friday morning before I go to work.

I am sure it will be Tina thinking she is entitled now that she is the big female voice (until Wade shows up) and Rachel finding out that in NY special snowflakes don't exist.

[Ranwing]

I can't be the only one who finds it totally absurd that pre-production has started and we have not had a single, solitary hint of what will be going on with Kurt in the premiere since ComiCon. Now I was fully prepared that Rachel would have the A-line story for the premiere, but such a big deal was made over the "cliffhanger" involving Kurt's future. This is leading me to believe that 1) the optimistic thought is that Kurt's story is really big (episode title nonwithstanding) and they want to keep the element of surprise or 2) the pesimistic thought that Kurt won't have much of a role at all besides being seen sadly lurking around McKinley.

My take on what the title means is that it's going to be twofold. On one hand, you have Rachel expecting to swan into NYADA and be hailed as the greatest thing ever and find that it's not quite working out like she had it built up in her mind and on the other we have Tina who fully expects to be the female soloist for ND now that all the powerhouse singers (Rachel, Santana, Mercedes) have graduated. She will expect to be the "new Rachel" and is now finding out that Schu is reluctant to let her step into that spot. I'm marginally more interested in what might involve Tina since she made the big deal about not challenging Rachel for the soloist spot at last years Nationals on the basis that the following year would be her turn. Being denied is going to bring out the claws.

What might be interesting is if the reason Schu is leaning away from Tina taking over as lead solosit (and having so much reliance on soloists in general) is due to a very pointed conversation with Kurt, who let Will know in no undercertain terms how unhealthy the situation was in ND for three years and the harm that the blatent favoritism that he showed Rachel (and to a lesser degree Finn) did to other members of the group. He'll remind Schu that Mercedes didn't get solos until she actually quit the group and refused to return without a promise of one in each competition for the TroubleTones, and that despite being told on more than a few occasions how talented he was, that he never ever got a solo. I'd love to see Schu finaly realize what he did and appologize to Kurt, now realizing that never having a solo really crippled his chances of getting into NYADA and Kurt just tells him coolly "That doesn't do me any good now, does it?"

Kurt arguing in favor of a more balance approach to ND competition performances could put him directly at odds with not only Tina, but Blaine as well (who is the chief candidate to take over as male soloist). Could be interesting...

[valkeakuulas]

What might be interesting is if the reason Schu is leaning away from Tina taking over as lead solosit (and having so much reliance on soloists in general) is due to a very pointed conversation with Kurt, who let Will know in no undercertain terms how unhealthy the situation was in ND for three years and the harm that the blatent favoritism that he showed Rachel (and to a lesser degree Finn) did to other members of the group. He'll remind Schu that Mercedes didn't get solos until she actually quit the group and refused to return without a promise of one in each competition for the TroubleTones, and that despite being told on more than a few occasions how talented he was, that he never ever got a solo. I'd love to see Schu finaly realize what he did and appologize to Kurt, now realizing that never having a solo really crippled his chances of getting into NYADA and Kurt just tells him coolly "That doesn't do me any good now, does it?"

Kurt arguing in favor of a more balance approach to ND competition performances could put him directly at odds with not only Tina, but Blaine as well (who is the chief candidate to take over as male soloist). Could be interesting...

I love this idea because it would bring out even Morrisons skills from their hiding. And I don't think the writers have realised that Kurt CAN also win during their torture prossessing him. I mean how painfull would that scenario you described be for a Kurtsie, heartbreaking.

But as I'm basically a negative person the "New Rachel" will just focus on how difficult it must be for Will to find the new Rachel because obviously Tina can not be as good, and Kurt is being just silly suggesting anything othervise. But if they actually address Will's stupidity and admit that there were some "favorites" in the past years I might even partly be gentle with the writers.

[Ranwing]

Hopefully this will make sense, as I have an awful case of insomnia and haven't gotten a single wink of sleep last night...

We know that Schu is a moron and is unquestionably the worst teacher ever at McKinley (beating out perv Sandy Ryderson and the retired teacher with substance abuse issues). Kurt is not only smarter than Schu is, but knows how to handle people better. Hell, he managed to keep a rein on Rachel's special brand of crazy all season so that counts for something.

ND during the Rachel Berry era (as I will refer to it) is marked by significant success, but ended up with a deeply unbalanced team where most members got little, if any real recognition. Those who desired solos were almost never given the chance to try for them, and Schu's rational for selecting his soloists was based on whatever whim happened to float into his brain on any given day. This left a lot of very talented teammates of Rachel rightfully frustrated and resentful. Kurt, more than any other, bore the brunt of this as being the only graduated member of ND never to have a solo in compeition with ND.

ND cannot continue on in that same vein. For one thing, there is no performer at this point who is capable of just dominating the way Rachel did. Tina might be the best girl in ND at the moment, but depending on what recruits they get in, that could change very quickly. I'll agree that she's earned at least some solos given that she was sidelined in every competition except for season 3 sectionals. But she shouldn't expect to get all the solos. Nor should Blaine. For the long-term health of the group, they can't expect to recruit dedicated and talented performers who can really carry on the legacy of ND if all they can expect is to sway in the background on the chance that they might get a solo if they wait to be seniors.

[tanita_mors]

Maybe this episodes will be Blaine-centric as well as Rachel-centric. I mean, is there anyone else you think more when you hear the term "New Rachel" aka mike-hogging, always in the spotlight person.

I sure hope not, but given the hard-on the writers seam to have for Blaine, I'm gonna expect the worse.

[BlueJazz]

Wow at the S4 ep 1 title! "The New Rachel" ? LOL. Seems like RIB do hate us a lot, right? They just won't give us a single chance to feel optimistic about the show

So, they're probably just gonna ignore the cliffhanger in S3 finale even though the fans are pissed? Great! Can't wait for the show to sink deep down into the ocean. Bye Glee!

[CloveGlee]

how to watch 4.01: plan your dinner so that all dishes will cook on the stove and require your constant attendance. when the show starts, start cooking...

for those who must eat before 9pm: plan your dinner and use as many pots and pans as possible, and make sure there are burnt on grease so it will take forever to scrub them off. Make sure you will finish your meal by 9pm. Then when the show starts, start washing dishes by hand.

My strategy:

1. Set the DVR.
2. Do something else at 7 p.m.
3. Get online around 9 p.m.
4. Listen to the wailing and screeching.
5. Watch large sections on tumblr.
6. Finally watch entire episode in the dead of night.
7. Go to bed mad.
8. Recap it viciously on Sunday.

[Glorfindel]

how to watch 4.01: plan your dinner so that all dishes will cook on the stove and require your constant attendance. when the show starts, start cooking...

for those who must eat before 9pm: plan your dinner and use as many pots and pans as possible, and make sure there are burnt on grease so it will take forever to scrub them off. Make sure you will finish your meal by 9pm. Then when the show starts, start washing dishes by hand.

My strategy:

1. Set the DVR.
2. Do something else at 7 p.m.
3. Get online around 9 p.m.
4. Listen to the wailing and screeching.
5. Watch large sections on tumblr.
6. Finally watch entire episode in the dead of night.
7. Go to bed mad.
8. Recap it viciously on Sunday.

Since I live in Europe, I need to download the new episodes in the morning and then watch them.
I used to get up early, download the episode while getting my kids to school, not going online to avoid getting spoiled, watch the episode, squeal of delight or rage for a while (depending on the storylines and if Kurt sang or not), and then go online to share my experiences with the other Kurtsies and Gleeks.

Somewhere during the last season, before I would watch the new episodes, I started peeking just a little bit online for the first (and often worst) reactions of the Kurtsies, trying not to get spoiled, but at least get a warning when something bad would happen to Kurt (again), since I became too nervous to watch a Kurt centric episode not knowing if he would be alright afterwards.

I'm still glad I peeked online before I watched the finale. I don't want to think about my state of mind then if I had seen 'Goodbye' not knowing that Kurt didn't get into NYADA. It took me hours to bring myself to watch that episode, and I finally did with gritted teeth and tears in my eyes (tears of pain and sadness, but mostly of anger).

Glee used to be my weekly most favorite 40 minutes of joy and escape, but those days are long gone now.
It's sad, really. RIB/Fox had something of pure gold in their hands, and they ruined it.

[BlueJazz]

Glee used to be my weekly most favorite 40 minutes of joy and escape, but those days are long gone now.
It's sad, really. RIB/Fox had something of pure gold in their hands, and they ruined it.

Same here. This is just sad

[Sani]

What about Kurt [Chris Colfer]? How are they going to keep in touch?
I already have like 20 scenes on the phone with Chris Colfer in the first script. I love working with Chris. He’s the best.
From Lea Michele’s interview with the Huffington Post (x)

[brisallie]

What about Kurt [Chris Colfer]? How are they going to keep in touch?
I already have like 20 scenes on the phone with Chris Colfer in the first script. I love working with Chris. He’s the best.
From Lea Michele’s interview with the Huffington Post (x)

What?! So the first episodes all the work that Chris is gonna do besides to be with Blaine is talking by phone with Rachel Oh great :sarcasm:

"The New Rachel" I wonder what's gonna be new about her?

[Glorfindel]

Second, though, the title could have to do with the person who'll take over Rachel's spot as New Directions queen bee back at McKinley High. "Glee" co-creator Brad Falchuk tells Zap2it that the first episode back will focus on the glee club trying to rebuild it's ranks.

"It's about the juniors now who are seniors finding their way in this new world," he explains. "And also Will trying to find what the new glee club is. You can't just turn and give the solo to Kurt or give the solo to Rachel -- taking nothing away from the amazing voices that are in there now. You make different choices, different stresses. That's a big part of certainly the first couple episodes."

x

OMG!!! That is so immensely stupid !!!
He's so clueless that it's offensive.
I've heard some foolish things come out of the mouths of the Glee writers, but this one really takes the cake.
What's wrong with those people?

Forget about the possibility/hope that when Kurt helps Will recruit new members these 2 will have a heart to heart about Kurt never getting any solos in glee club. Wanna bet that they will totally retcon Kurt's trackrecord when it comes to solos in ND?
(Remember Kurt saying to Blaine that he used to get solos all the time in ND before Blaine transferred?)

Good grief, this is not even funny anymore.

What about Kurt [Chris Colfer]? How are they going to keep in touch?
I already have like 20 scenes on the phone with Chris Colfer in the first script. I love working with Chris. He’s the best.
From Lea Michele’s interview with the Huffington Post (x)

If Rachel will complain and cry to Kurt of how hard she has it at NYADA, I hope Kurt will rip her a new one. I miss bitchy Kurt and it's about time he comes back to life again.
But he'll probably be all supportive and sympathetic of her woes, as the best gay he is.

Good grief (2).

It just gets worse and worse.

[valkeakuulas]

"It's about the juniors now who are seniors finding their way in this new world," he explains. "And also Will trying to find what the new glee club is. You can't just turn and give the solo to Kurt or give the solo to Rachel -- taking nothing away from the amazing voices that are in there now. You make different choices, different stresses. That's a big part of certainly the first couple episodes."

x

OMG!!! That is so immensely stupid !!!
He's so clueless that it's offensive.
I've heard some foolish things come out of the mouths of the Glee writers, but this one really takes the cake.
What's wrong with those people?

I was just about to say that I might tolerate the split screen with Rachel, but that comment from Falchuk: He must either despise Kurt or saying a big FU to Kurtsies who are giving him hard time EVERYWHERE! I now really hate him or think he's a complete idiot and jerk. Can I call him all of the above?

[fantastica]

Hmm, i think the phone calls are great. since Chris is on the road doing the book tour, he doesn't have to be int he studio. just get him on the phone, record the scripted phone conversation, and be done with. chris still gets paid for this episode.

we fans will rage no matter what.

[ColferInspired]

Hey, guys sorry about this, but what I got from people that have seen this the Access Hollywood interview that they did with Chris yesterday at the book signing at Union Square, it is confirmed that Kurt will be working at Vogue.

So Chris is getting the story he wants for Kurt and that must mean, now they will have to find people for Kurt's storyline, if they go there.

This is just getting crazier and crazier. How the hell are they going to do this? This is just madness, it would have been easier if Kurt went to Nyada.

How big is this cast going to be?

Then there will be Finn's storyline and they will have to find people for that one. Unless they go the soap opera route, but Kurt, Rachel and Finn are meant to be in all 22 episodes. Though I am doubting Finn being in episode one, though maybe briefly, with him talking to Rachel or one of the other former regular characters on the phone.

All I do hope for that Kurt gets a male bestfriend who is not gay, and doesn't care about Kurt being effiminate or gay.

I think Kurt will be making the big move to New York episode 3, which will give them time to cast any others for Kurt's storyline. Though you wouldn't need many people. All they would need is a handful of work colleauges for Kurt to interact with. They wouldn't need twelve like they need for the choir room.

Though maybe they are going to do it Sex In The City style, were they moved from one story to the other, going backwards and forwards.

I just don't know how this is going to work.

I am not happy that once again it is Kurt that has to help everyone when no-one helped him at that school.

Some more on that spoiler, Kurt won't be designing, he will be writing for Vogue. So it looks like he is going to a male version of Sex in The City's Carrie.

I hope this means comedy for Chris.

If someone can find the Access Hollywood video please and please post it, as I would like some proof before believing any of this.

[Divalicious]

I look at this Vogue thing as part of the arc of Kurt's story. I mean, we know Finn's not going to stay in the army til the end of the show. Things are going to change. Sadly, the huge focus will probably a snowflakes tribulations in NY, but eventually even the rest of the characters will get a little movement. Finn will move to NY, perhaps Kurt will move to a life that involves working at Vogue during the day and doing theater at night. Despite how it seems Rachel is their only interest, it would make sense (yeah I know, sense and Glee) that you start our newly adult characters trying to make their way at the beginning of the season. Then mid-season you bring them together in the same place, then carry on to the end of the season, preparing for the next season. I wouldn't be surprised if Rachel decides to leave NYADA at the end of the season, to join her friends. I mean they are already telling student tales at McKinley, and after telling Rachel's tale for a year, how many new things can they continue to do, with most of the main characters not being a part of NYADA?

[fantastica]

Kurt will be working at vogue off camera. On camera he will talk about his work to Rachel Blaine or someone else. Just like how Burt is a Congressman.

[Delight]

If someone can find the Access Hollywood video please and please post it, as I would like some proof before believing any of this.

Could this be the video you were referring to?



(This had been posted by fantastica in the TLOS thread).

I'm not sure if the reporter is merely jumping to conclusions though. The Vogue thing is very briefly mentioned in a voice over, as opposed to something Chris had said.

[ColferInspired]

If someone can find the Access Hollywood video please and please post it, as I would like some proof before believing any of this.

Could this be the video you were referring to?



(This had been posted by fantastica in the TLOS thread).

I'm not sure if the reporter is merely jumping to conclusions though. The Vogue thing is very briefly mentioned in a voice over, as opposed to something Chris had said.

Now I have seen it I think the reporter is speculating. Chris probably now has the first script, and what is in the script is all he knows sofar, unless he has talked to Ryan or one of the others.

The last interview I saw he said Sarah Jessica Parker's character is a manager of sorts. But from an interview by said actress she will be running Vogue.com.

Until she comes on the show I don't think we will know what Kurt is really doing.

[Buenos]

The problem in getting Kurt to New York is they have to write out an actual arc with other characters and a new/nonNYADA setting. Sadly I suspect they will drag out his time in Lima because:

(a) Mckinley has a huge gapping hole in it with everyone graduated
(b) Rachel's NY NYADA arc intro will take center stage for the first half of season
(c) They don't really know how to handle Kurt's probable career change

[Ranwing]

I am still very dubious of how putting Kurt into a non-performance related career is going to fit into a series where the whole premise is based on young people involved in the performing arts. Yes, it makes sense that not everyone involved in ND moves on into a performing arts career, but it still stings beyong belief that a young man who's whole identity was tied up in being a performer is one of the few graduates who does not seem to be moving on into a career in the performing arts. Given that Kurt had almost no real singing for most of season 3, it's easy to be concerned that we will see him completely sidelined as a singer during season 4.

My greatest concern at this point is that with Kurt not going to NYADA (for whatever stupid rational TPTB decided to use), Kurt is now completely divorced from the primary storyline in NY where his character will be located and he will be reduced to being Rachel's support system and helpmate as she continues on her journey towards her dreams. I'm afraid that with NYADA being the total focus of the NY location that Kurt's story will end up being told off-screen, that he will have even fewer chances to sing (and for reasons that make sense) than he did in season 3 and that aside from brief appearances from SJP, we will only know what is happening with Kurt from what he tells Rachel and not because we actually get to see him doing anything of consequence.

I'm at the stage where I just don't care about Rachel's storyline since it seems to be set in stone - the writers have shown that Rachel's success will always be assured in the end so there's absolutely no suspence in watching her brief struggles. Unless they do something really shocking (like have Rachel wash out of NYADA altogether because she can't cut it), there's really nothing they're going to do to surprise me. Now that the rug has been completely pulled out from under all of Kurt's hopes an aspirations, I need to see some real focus on Kurt's journey at this stage. I need to see his progression in deciding where he goes now (whether it's to give up on a performance based career and how he figures out what he does next to deciding to continue on trying to find his place as a performer) and see that storyline given proper focus and respect. If he has to continue struggling (at least initially) I need to see proper payoff for those struggles. Not the rediculous litany of defeat that the writers piled on top of Kurt all through season 3.

And please... let's stop using Kurt as some kind of moral role model where he just has to suffer the indignities that life heaps upon him with a stiff upper lip and always being the better person and let him be the intelligent, snarky young man who wasn't afraid to manipulate things in his own favor on occasion. You want to make Kurt an "inspiration"? Let him win once in awhile and win on his own terms.

[sahhar]

I am still very dubious of how putting Kurt into a non-performance related career is going to fit into a series where the whole premise is based on young people involved in the performing arts. Yes, it makes sense that not everyone involved in ND moves on into a performing arts career, but it still stings beyong belief that a young man who's whole identity was tied up in being a performer is one of the few graduates who does not seem to be moving on into a career in the performing arts. Given that Kurt had almost no real singing for most of season 3, it's easy to be concerned that we will see him completely sidelined as a singer during season 4.

My greatest concern at this point is that with Kurt not going to NYADA (for whatever stupid rational TPTB decided to use), Kurt is now completely divorced from the primary storyline in NY where his character will be located and he will be reduced to being Rachel's support system and helpmate as she continues on her journey towards her dreams. I'm afraid that with NYADA being the total focus of the NY location that Kurt's story will end up being told off-screen, that he will have even fewer chances to sing (and for reasons that make sense) than he did in season 3 and that aside from brief appearances from SJP, we will only know what is happening with Kurt from what he tells Rachel and not because we actually get to see him doing anything of consequence.

I'm at the stage where I just don't care about Rachel's storyline since it seems to be set in stone - the writers have shown that Rachel's success will always be assured in the end so there's absolutely no suspence in watching her brief struggles. Unless they do something really shocking (like have Rachel wash out of NYADA altogether because she can't cut it), there's really nothing they're going to do to surprise me. Now that the rug has been completely pulled out from under all of Kurt's hopes an aspirations, I need to see some real focus on Kurt's journey at this stage. I need to see his progression in deciding where he goes now (whether it's to give up on a performance based career and how he figures out what he does next to deciding to continue on trying to find his place as a performer) and see that storyline given proper focus and respect. If he has to continue struggling (at least initially) I need to see proper payoff for those struggles. Not the rediculous litany of defeat that the writers piled on top of Kurt all through season 3.

And please... let's stop using Kurt as some kind of moral role model where he just has to suffer the indignities that life heaps upon him with a stiff upper lip and always being the better person and let him be the intelligent, snarky young man who wasn't afraid to manipulate things in his own favor on occasion. You want to make Kurt an "inspiration"? Let him win once in awhile and win on his own terms.

THIS.

[fantastica]

^ THAT (means I second this)

[fantastica]

Glee Scoop: Meet the 'Freshman' Class



Glee has tapped relative newcomers Dean Geyer and Jacob Artist to join the show’s upcoming fourth season, premiering Sept. 13.

Geyer will play Broady Weston, a handsome upperclassman at NYADA who shows an interest in Lea Michele’s Rachel. Meanwhile, back at McKinley, Artist will play Puck’s younger half-brother Jake.

The news comes as the Fox phenom is undergoing a bit of a reboot ahead of its fourth season, which finds many of the show’s core characters transitioning to post-McKinley life.

All veteran castmembers are expected back, but in varying capacities. According to reports, Michele is the only Glee thesp set to appear in all episodes produced this season. Additionally, Glee Project alums Samuel Larsen and Alex Newell are expected back on a recurring basis.

http://tvline.com/2012/07/23/glee-season-4-cast/

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