Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread--part 4

[fantastica]

^ ooo that stings!

[Buenos]

The whole NYADA arc summarizes what is wrong with Glee. Even within the confines of a self contained TV universe, you need to set down some sort of rules/laws/consistency so that the fantasy you've constructed makes some sort of whacky internal sense.

NYADA never made any sense, because Glee would throw out references to "Julliard" and "NYU", (as late as Chandler's reason for going to New York City) real life schools that would obviously be other options for Kurt and Rachel. They even made Carmen Tibedeaux, this imposing musical icon have been rejected for Julliard on more than one occasion.

So the focus on NYADA was a way to 'simplify' Rachel and Kurt's goals for their Senior Year. Instead of making it about their general dreams and aspirations as they inched toward adulthood, it simply became getting into the magical school that held the key to their futures.

In Kurt's case it resulted in that all his efforts and endeavors for the year were all the endgame of NYADA. It was all or nothing. So the "I didn't get in" made the year evaporate in failure and rejection as the overwhelming theme. If he had gotten in, then it would have at least made sense of all the humiliating rejections he received during the year, ie that he had struggled through and believed in himself and kept at it despite the naysayers.

What was despicable with the writers was that they decided to throw their "dramatic" curve ball and deliberately led the audience to believe KUrt would get in to lull people into thinking that concentrating on Rachel's "failure" made thematic sense, (ie Kurt's journey is over) and then didn't even let their final sucker punch result in any resolution or investment in time on Kurt's character.

[Ranwing]

Buenos - I agree with you 100%. As a writer, the whole thing infuriated me because it just made no narrative sense. Even if you want to disregard just how absurd the NYADA premise was at all (a super competative school that accepts only a bare handful of candidates every year and all but guarentees a successful career afterwards just because the school will be listed on your resume). Throughout the season the show laid out a clear progression for Kurt - he would attempt something, fail but try to learn from his mistakes and try again using the lessons that he'd learned. The NYADA audition was supposed to be the cumulation of all those hard won lesson. He not only performed his audition well, but brilliently enough to earn praise from a woman who clearly doesn't give praise lightly. The logical progression would have been Kurt to manage to defy his relatively thin resume and get accepted based on how great his audition was. Instead the writers decided to just chuck all that in order to give Rachel her triumphant arrival in NY.

For me, Rachel's story holds absolutely no interest to me for several reasons. Partly because I'm still feeling bitter over how Kurt's storyline was handled this season, but partly because it's just not going to be that exciting. Going to NYADA is basically bringing Rachel back to square one, only in a different venue. Once again, she's the friendless girl in a school where she's going to be in competition with everyone and fighting to make herself seen. Besides the fact that she's basically going to be surrounded with 100 versions of herself (and damn, what a nightmare that's going to be), it's a rehash of season one. Just on a more competative scale. The one thing that I'm actually looking foward to seeing is the teacher who, unlike Will, won't spend Rachel's time here kissing her ass and telling her how wonderful she is. I'm only looking foward to seeing her put through the wringer and have it finally driven into her skull that she's not God's gift to musical theater.

The fact that what happens with Kurt is all but a complete blanks slate can go either way. It can either be amazing and allow the writers complete freedom to free his character from the constraints of the Glee boundried. But given the fact that the writers have shown that they have the attention spans of gnats and can't keep storylines straight and coherant, I'm not optimistic of it being as good as it can be. But at least his storyline has some element of suspence. We all know what's happening with Rachel. It's Kurt that has everyone's curiousity.

And yeah... the less said about the ComiCon spoilers, the better. While I'm glad that Chris has so much to keep him busy outside of Glee that he got to avoid having to put a happy face on about the butchery that was his storyline last season, it left no one to counter the utter nonsense that Brad Falchuck was blattering about.

[Buenos]

Rachel's character has jumped the shark, what with Prom Quuen , Nationals star AND acceptance to NYADA as the most " special" ingenue of them all. To me it's so clear that, she, not Kurt, is Ryan Murphy's wish fulfillment fantasy since she is ordained to win. Between her and Blaine, RM can have ogasmic vicarious thrills of the world swooning to the talented hobbits.

I love Lea Michelle and like Darren, but the overkill on their characters leaves a bad aftertaste.

[BlueJazz]

Not that anyone cares but Glee's hiring a new consulting producer :



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Well, maybe they'll put some charts and boards on their writers' room walls some day Nope, not gonna hope for that.

[Delight]

In Kurt's case it resulted in that all his efforts and endeavors for the year were all the endgame of NYADA. It was all or nothing.

I also don't see the logic of Kurt not having any options other than NYADA. If Kurt had been Rachel-esque, in that he's over-confident in his own singing abilities, and got told nothing but how special he is by everyone in Glee club, and couldn't imagine failing to get into NYADA; then yes, his actions of not applying for safety schools would make sense. But Kurt is not that character. Kurt himself considered his own resume to be woefully thin; and his chances of boosting that resume with the school play and senior class presidency got shot to hell. So why would someone who had kept on failing throughout his senior year, didn't stop to think 'Hey, just in case I fail at getting into this NYADA as well, I probably should have some kind of backup plan'? It's completely illogical.

'But hey, it's Glee', right?

I love Lea Michelle and like Darren, but the overkill on their characters leaves a bad aftertaste.

I think one good thing that came out of the terrible handling of Kurt's arcs and overall journey in season 3 is that most people in the audience ended up sympathizing with Kurt and are interested in finding out what's going to happen to him. Rachel, whom I didn't mind as a character that much before, started to grate after the last 4 episodes of the season. Blaine grated even earlier in the season. Both these characters suffered the same problem-- the writers got too heavy-handed in portraying these two as super-talented and special and well-loved by nearly everyone in their vicinity. For one, I'm one of those people who roots for underdogs, and Kurt still remains a true underdog on the show. The rest just aren't anymore.

The spoiler about Glee club reverting back to its 'underdog' status next season-- after they've just won Nationals-- just makes me want to shake my head.

[Buenos]

The spoiler about Glee club reverting back to its 'underdog' status next season-- after they've just won Nationals-- just makes me want to shake my head.

They are deep in manure if that means they are going to just throw new kids into the choir room and re do all their old plot lines. The sad thing is that that would be the 4th straight year for Tina, Artie and Birttany characters. It will be beyond dejah vuh.

[opals]

Not that anyone cares but Glee's hiring a new consulting producer :



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Well, maybe they'll put some charts and boards on their writers' room walls some day Nope, not gonna hope for that.

I care, because this actually scares the hell out of me. I loved the first few seasons of House, but they shot that show to shit by screwing with the cast, focusing on ridiculous relationship drama, and treating Olivia Wilde's character like she was just the most special thing to ever happen in the history of television.

On the positive side, maybe this guy has actually learned what NOT to do with a once brilliant tv show. One can always dream.

[fantastica]

^ oh, sounds like he's perfect for glee:

I loved the first few seasons of Glee, but they shot that show to shit by screwing with the cast, focusing on ridiculous relationship drama, and treating Lea's character like she was just the most special thing to ever happen in the history of television.

[BlueJazz]

I care, because this actually scares the hell out of me. I loved the first few seasons of House, but they shot that show to shit by screwing with the cast, focusing on ridiculous relationship drama, and treating Olivia Wilde's character like she was just the most special thing to ever happen in the history of television.

On the positive side, maybe this guy has actually learned what NOT to do with a once brilliant tv show. One can always dream.

I'm glad that you care Tbh, I don't have the energy to care anymore. Yup, I only watched the first few seasons of House but I've heard of it's "bad reputation" for S5 & 6. This guy stayed in House team for 6 seasons, so I'm not sure if he can be trusted.

But some said he wrote some pretty good House eps, so...Anyway, no matter how crappy House was, it's still better than Glee, right? Right?

I'll remain skeptical until the show proves me wrong. OTOH, I wonder how much they paid him to save the sinking ship.

[Jellyrolls]

Not that anyone cares but Glee's hiring a new consulting producer :



Source

More info about this guy

Well, maybe they'll put some charts and boards on their writers' room walls some day Nope, not gonna hope for that.

I care, because this actually scares the hell out of me. I loved the first few seasons of House, but they shot that show to shit by screwing with the cast, focusing on ridiculous relationship drama, and treating Olivia Wilde's character like she was just the most special thing to ever happen in the history of television.

On the positive side, maybe this guy has actually learned what NOT to do with a once brilliant tv show. One can always dream.

Let's just hope he can improve the show.

BTW, great to see you posting, opals. Please join us more! I love hearing what others have to say about things

[opals]

^ oh, sounds like he's perfect for glee:

I loved the first few seasons of Glee, but they shot that show to shit by screwing with the cast, focusing on ridiculous relationship drama, and treating Lea's character like she was just the most special thing to ever happen in the history of television.

LOL! Yes, perfect fit. Also, House creator, David Shore, is an egomaniac, who was notorious for lying to fans, so this guy and Ryan Murphy should get along just swimmingly.

But some said he wrote some pretty good House eps, so...Anyway, no matter how crappy House was, it's still better than Glee, right? Right?

Have you seen the train wreck that was House/Cuddy or Thirteen's never ending, melodramatic "I'm dying! I'm dying!" Huntington's arc? I wanted her character to STFU and die already it was so bad. I had to stop watching by mid season 5, it got so bad. LOL...Be very afraid.

Glee hasn't pushed me over the cliff just yet, but I'm on the edge and a lot depends on how they handle Kurt at the start of this season.

I'm actually hoping this new guy has learned from David Shore's mistakes, and can steer the Glee writers away from making the same ones.

[valkeakuulas]

Very suspisious of this guy. Very much indeed. Somehow I feel this is just like recycling the bosses kind of scenario where executives or managers rotate between posts too see how things are done on that particular production or when your own venue is shut down... And I thought House went sour already after third season, when I tuned in on the fifth I was shocked about not understanding at all what was going on.

[Glorfindel]

I agree: House was butchered.
House was sooooo good the first 2 seasons, but I couldn't bare to watch it anymore after the 3rd season, and I really loved Hugh Laurie's and Robert Sean Leanord's (Wilson) acting.

This writer seems perfect for Glee, lol.
Well, the writing for Glee can't get much worse, now, can it?

Can it?

[fantastica]

^ haha, even if the writer doesn't get worse, our perception will definitely not get any better, because kurt's situation will NOT get any better.

ok, anybody ready for some real S4 spoilers? Let's begin:

It may be just three words long but the title of Glee‘s Sept. 13 opener speaks volumes about the Season 4 trajectory of a certain returning character.

Sources confirm to TVLine exclusively that the the Fox hit will kick off its new season this fall with an episode titled, “The New Rachel.”

At Comic-Con over the weekend, exec producer Brad Falchuk confirmed that Lea Michele’s newly-single, college-bound character would encounter some growing pains in the Big Apple. “She’s starting fresh,” he previewed, ”[with] the challenges of New York and being there alone.”

Making matters worse will be the arrival of special guest star Kate Hudson as her new instructor at NYADA. “[Her teaching philosophy is] one based on negative reinforcement,” teased Falchuk. “Rachel has to get used to that.”

http://tvline.com/2012/07/19/glee-season-4-premiere-spoilers/

great. sounds like I will love it because my mom brought me up w/ nothing but negative reinforcement. that's why I can't think positive anymore (if ever). while this show maybe about "new rachel", all of it smells like old crap to me. I mean, nothing new and exciting to tickle my tummy.

[valkeakuulas]

That's just uncanny. May I suggest a Kurt centered episode featuring one of my favorite english words: Pilfering From Kurt. Or better yet: You Do Not Matter. I'm not even depressed this is just hilarious.

[Emile]

Sources confirm to TVLine exclusively that the the Fox hit will kick off its new season this fall with an episode titled, “The New Rachel.”

L O L. I don't even care about the implication of it (Tina?), but that's an awful title.

[fantastica]

Jenna has been in the recording studio, so she is fine.

[Vir Cotto]

Sources confirm to TVLine exclusively that the the Fox hit will kick off its new season this fall with an episode titled, “The New Rachel.”

L O L. I don't even care about the implication of it (Tina?), but that's an awful title.

Anybody want to start a betting pool on how low the ratings are going to get this season?

[fantastica]

5.x mil viewrs

i don't care about the old or new rachel. I want the new kurt - the new happy, successful kurt. and we ain't gonna get it - and that's straight from the horse's mouth.

[Jellyrolls]

Sources confirm to TVLine exclusively that the the Fox hit will kick off its new season this fall with an episode titled, “The New Rachel.”

L O L. I don't even care about the implication of it (Tina?), but that's an awful title.

Anybody want to start a betting pool on how low the ratings are going to get this season?

Here's the forumula to figure it out:

# of Rachel fans + # of Blarren fans + # of Kurtsies who watch only to suporrt Chris + # of people who fell asleep with the TV on when Glee started = # of people watching Glee

[tanita_mors]

so, from that title, i'm getting that the premier will be about rachel figuring out she just another fish in the ocean and the search for the "new rachel" in new directions. great, rachel and talking about rachel. the rachel berry show begins.

[fantastica]

it's BEEN the rachel berry show, mind you.

[Buenos]

Yeah, this is nothing new. In New York it's going to be Rachel with her 1001 ballads and in Ohio it will be Blaine and his 1001 solos.

[Jellyrolls]

Yeah, this is nothing new. In New York it's going to be Rachel with her 1001 ballads and in Ohio it will be Blaine and his 1001 solos.

And don't forget. Kurt is required to cry at least every other episode--it's in the contract.

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