Re: Kurt Hummel Snark & Bark Thread--Part 1

[arina]

Is this new? http://www.afterelton.com/tv/2012/02/50-favorite-tv-characters-list?page=0%2C15
That site sure have a huge hardon for blarren
What is so special about him.. I beginning to think that maybe that site is being paid by blarren publisist...

My respect for these online polls and lists just dropped several notches

I'll placate myself with the thought that Chris probably doesn't care all that much about these 'hot lists' or whatever. Let him be recognized by people in the industry who matter. Give him the Golden Globes, the Emmys, the Academy Awards (and maybe Book awards too, in the future) and I shall overlook the gross injustice of these online popularity contests

And seriously, I don't want Chris to be ever nominated or placed high in those X-rated gay sites that tanita_mors mentioned. With the mentality of Hiram Berry, I don't want 'our baby' to be 'defiled' by shallow people who would merely lust after him in such an unhealthy way. I can see that Chris is 'hot' (People who don't agree with me are blind! Blind,ill I tell you!), but I draw the line at imagining any sexual acts when I think about him. That's just too disrespectful to Chris, in my opinion

Agree, but I must admit I still find him rather beautiful and cute most of the time, I cannot help it. But I think "finding him hot" is not a requirement for being fan of his :-)

[emilynna]

I realized something tonight while I was punching in my votes for Chris: He does not give a damn about these polls - and neither do I - except they do get paid attention to just like the writers and actors admit to surfing tumblr for fans' opinions. Part of the reason Blaine is so popular is because his fans get together and vote him up in every poll, purchase his songs, go to his shows, etc. We Kurtsies weren't that smart. We felt Chris would win on merit, which should be the case, but often isn't. Especially when you have men and women craving "sex-on-a-stick." Believe me, Darren is smart enuf to pander to BOTH groups, the homosexuals and the hormonal women. They are, at this moment, bombarding Brad's twitter with requests for Blaine development, and they have every right to think they'll get it since they are convinced it was a twitter campaign that got them Brittana and Quinn's cut scene from the wedding, etc. There are not enuf of us there praising Chris to the sky and reminding them he wins the awards on this show. Chris CAN do it all, the comedy, the drama, the songs and they need to be reminded we want to see him on our screen. Right now everything is being drowned out by Brittana and Blaine (last time it was Finchel and look what they got).

We need to remember that a lot of talented people never make it anywhere. Chris has a good start, but it won't be enuf if we don't support him in EVERY WAY we can.

this is why i cant wait for chris to get out of glee
i think a lot of chris fans is not very vocal online.
me myself just start coming out of lurking dom this month...
i still dont know if i'm comfortable enough to tweet TPTB asking for more..

[dap1217]

TBH,we will never win over those vocal fans,becasue we don't have too much time stay online like them.We have jobs and lives outside internet.But those crazy stans basically spend all their time on line,so everytime there's some news or polls or whatever they can take the action very fast.

But I'm not sad at all,how long will you stan a person just for his looking,depends on these people' short attention span,they can't stand listening to a 4min song without getting bored,or fast forward the black-white Christmas Special,I doubt it will last long

Chris has the most diverse fan base when it comes to age.You guies can understand because people in this forum is a very good example.Maybe we're not as vocal as those teenage fans,but comes to buying Chris' books or tickets or something else to support him,we are awesome!

Also,don't let these stupid polls destroy our joyness of being a fan of Chris,remember every successful artist in this world won't have those annoying fans around him as an obstacle.

[ColferInspired]

^ THIS!

btw i just saw this again, and in light of that AE poll, I think I understand why they think he's so HOT:





sorry...

OMG you have just scarred me for life.

Get him away from me arggggghh...

And I hate Darren stans.

But like always someone else will come along for the fangirls to stan over, and they will forget about Darren. It always happens to teen idols. That's why it was his biggest mistake to become one.

Chris's fans stans know he is hot, they know he is sexy, but they are more mature than a lot of Darren's fans. Even the younger ones are just as mature. They care more about his talent. Plus they way he has inspired them.

I was voting on the Out Eligible Gay Bachelor poll, and saw they had the SBL trailer and saw a couple of comments and saw proof of other gays seeing Chris as attractive.

Talent is more important than just looks. The media know he is attractive, some are even calling him a heart throb, but it is his talent they care more about, like his fans.

People get nominated for awards for talent not being in the Sexiest Man Alive list.

[Guest]

We all agree polls are stupid. The point is - people do pay attention to them. What do you think Ryan will say when Darren was voted #1 in the AE poll? Do you think he'll say it is a stupid poll?? Hell, no! He will say, the fans love Blaine, let's give them more. The more attention brought to someone, the more screen time he will get, because they know the fans are out there. It is the VOCAL fans who get what they want. It seems every time I watch Glee now there is Darren. Even if he doesn't have a line or a song, they make sure he gets in the camera shots. That is to appease his fans.

There was a big article I read about this a while ago. I'm not saying to stay home from work and tweet or vote, I'm just saying be aware of what is out there and that someone pays attention to it. Right now Brad is being inundated with Brit fans tweeting him to give her a story line, to keep her for next season, etc. Now the girl can dance, but she is auto-tuned for songs and admits herself that she cannot act. But those wanting "sweet girl kisses" want that to continue.

Darren may be the fan of the moment, but the more attention he gets the less Chris gets. Chris has more talent, but we all know talent alone will not get you anywhere. Darren's fan brought in $4million for 3 weeks on Broadway. Some girl bought 10 tickets alone. I'm saying we can sit here and fangirl, but that does not get Chris anything. IMO we need to lower our standards and be more vocal.

[Shinra17]

I realized something tonight while I was punching in my votes for Chris: He does not give a damn about these polls - and neither do I - except they do get paid attention to just like the writers and actors admit to surfing tumblr for fans' opinions. Part of the reason Blaine is so popular is because his fans get together and vote him up in every poll, purchase his songs, go to his shows, etc. We Kurtsies weren't that smart. We felt Chris would win on merit, which should be the case, but often isn't. Especially when you have men and women craving "sex-on-a-stick." Believe me, Darren is smart enuf to pander to BOTH groups, the homosexuals and the hormonal women. They are, at this moment, bombarding Brad's twitter with requests for Blaine development, and they have every right to think they'll get it since they are convinced it was a twitter campaign that got them Brittana and Quinn's cut scene from the wedding, etc. There are not enuf of us there praising Chris to the sky and reminding them he wins the awards on this show. Chris CAN do it all, the comedy, the drama, the songs and they need to be reminded we want to see him on our screen. Right now everything is being drowned out by Brittana and Blaine (last time it was Finchel and look what they got).

We need to remember that a lot of talented people never make it anywhere. Chris has a good start, but it won't be enuf if we don't support him in EVERY WAY we can.

WHAT??? How dare you? lol, I love these smilies.
More seriously, I don't think so. Theses polls and others things related to online fandom are really a drop in the ocean, they concern a few thousands people at best when the audience for Glee is about several millions of people. Talent and professional recognition will prevail. Think about all the previous phenomenons who made a big impact on teenage audience, like a lot of boys bands, they had crazy reactions from their fans and most of them disappeared after 2 or 3 years. DC can win all the online poll he wants but Chris has already some recognitions DC will NEVER get, not in his wildest dreams and I don't think the like of Allison Janney, Christina Hendricks, etc. would be interested in being part of the first film DC will produce/write/star in.

[Shinra17]

We all agree polls are stupid. The point is - people do pay attention to them. What do you think Ryan will say when Darren was voted #1 in the AE poll? Do you think he'll say it is a stupid poll?? Hell, no! He will say, the fans love Blaine, let's give them more. The more attention brought to someone, the more screen time he will get, because they know the fans are out there. It is the VOCAL fans who get what they want. It seems every time I watch Glee now there is Darren. Even if he doesn't have a line or a song, they make sure he gets in the camera shots. That is to appease his fans.

There was a big article I read about this a while ago. I'm not saying to stay home from work and tweet or vote, I'm just saying be aware of what is out there and that someone pays attention to it. Right now Brad is being inundated with Brit fans tweeting him to give her a story line, to keep her for next season, etc. Now the girl can dance, but she is auto-tuned for songs and admits herself that she cannot act. But those wanting "sweet girl kisses" want that to continue.

Darren may be the fan of the moment, but the more attention he gets the less Chris gets. Chris has more talent, but we all know talent alone will not get you anywhere. Darren's fan brought in $4million for 3 weeks on Broadway. Some girl bought 10 tickets alone. I'm saying we can sit here and fangirl, but that does not get Chris anything. IMO we need to lower our standards and be more vocal.

I hope she doesn't expect DC to send her a thx note lol. Seriously, his team and himself must be privately laughing at this level of fanaticism.

[Guest]

I think DC and his team are smart enuf to use what they can to get him more Broadway and movies. As long as he brings in the $ they won't care how his acting is - it's still a business and the profit is the bottom line. No - I don't think DC will last and Chris will, but I think the fans have gotten him farther than he ever dreamed and Chris's fans have not made the same impact. DC has also parlayed that into two movies, one with Kristin Wigg that will probably bring in far more money than Chris's film will. I am praying for a good response to Chris's movies and book, but think his rise will be much slower. We all say these polls do not matter, but in fact a lot of them have more impact than I ever thought they had. I wish I could find that article because it was a real eye opener for me. Darren has also made a lot of friends in the music industry and theater world. He is, apparently, very charismatic. He won't die down for a while and it may take longer than we think, because his fans keep bringing in new fans.

[fantastica]

I prefer not to compare the career choices of DC and CC. same reason I don't compare CC's career choices w/ that of Cory's, or Lea's. They are all very different people w/ different strengths and weaknesses and each will shine in their own right. For a young actors it's always going to be a struggle, but what CC has done so far is very commendable. Glee is his stepping stone. what happenes outside/after Glee is the real test. Most TV actors are known as one role on TV for years and never seen again, or only pick up small roles once in a blue moon here and there. The competition is very intense and most of them simply don't make it in the long run (not to mention the majority of actors dont make it into Hollywood at all, except some extra roles).

We will do our best to support Chris. But if Chris has taught us anything, that's life is short and we should get hte most out of it. that doesn't mean sitting in front of the computer all day to punch votes for him in silly online polls. it means we should all do something productive and meaningful. Now I do and will vote for him whenever I can, being a CC stan. I will not waste my life trying to compete w/ other crazy fans to see who has the most time to waste and most obnoxious tweets to make.

Carrie is absolutely right - the loudest fans get what they want, because when they go negative they end up ruin the show's rep. so the show will always try to please them and pacify them. so what if CC's fans are mainly mute? He seems to have no trouble getting storylines. The only thing he's not getting is songs. RM picks the songs. He doesn't have a twitter. what can we do??
I hope everyone just relax and enjoy the show for whatever it's worth. CC's glory really lies outside and beyond Glee. I am just praying for this show to go no further than next season.

[Guest]

I don't wish for Glee to die, because it keeps Chris on our TV sets and in front of us. Once it is off the air, we may never hear that much about him again. Movies take a long time to make and get into production. I doubt he will be singing at concerts and stuff. He is a pretty private person and I am afraid if he is not in front of us it will come down to "out of sight, out of mind."

[tanita_mors]

I think that all this highlights just how much different starts to fame and fandom Chris and Darren had. Darren seams like a very outgoing "I like the spot light kind of guy". He had a popular acting troupe in collage that translated into a huge online fanbase for StarKid. Just going into Glee, he had a huge number of fans that knew him and liked him already and that would support him in anything. Chris, while very ambitious, was unpopular and invisible in high-school and very unsuccessful to break through before Glee. Literary nobody knew who he was. His stardom came with a speed of lightning and I think he still hasn't adjusted to it, unlike DC who knew what it was like to have crazy, obsessed fans even before Glee. Chris when from nobody to a series breakout star, Emmy nominee in a year and an author, GG winner, and with his first production in 2. His rise was much greater and faster then DC.

As for fandoms, while both have diverse fans, I think DC has far more teen girls, young women who generally vote more and are more vocal and tend to vote for men exclusively and then for the one they find hotter and would like to date/have sex with/ fantasize about. Then Chris who has them as well, but also a huge contingent of middle age women and men who tend to be a bit more rational (not that they can't appreciated hot young men )

When we look at that stupid poll, it said favorite character. The problem I have is that the two characteristics that people like best about Blaine is that he is hot and a great singer and both of those are inherent to the actor who plays him rather to the character he portrays. What else is there to Blaine that you can like, when he gets a personality transplant every other episode. And this character beat out Karen Walker, Kurt Hummel, Buffy, Scully from X Files, Captain Picard,... It shows me that the only criteria the votes were using was superficial looks because otherwise anyone with half a brain would realize that Blaine can barely be called a character at all.

[fantastica]

^ granted DC is not even the best looking one on TV. but then again, beauty is in the eys of beholder.

[tanita_mors]

I agree. He doesn't come even close to Matt Bomer or my personal favorite hot guy Alexander Skarsgård (and I'm primarily not into blonds at all, I prefer brunets - that's how hot he is ). But, given the demographic of teens and young adults, they may find these guys hot but rather intimidating, while DC is more on their level, someone they can realistically (if you catch my drift) fantasize about and worship.

[fantastica]

^ I think that non-intimidating aspect is a huge reason for his appeal. A really hot guy may seems so distant and too perfect for one's grasp.

[tanita_mors]

Exactly. Goofy, nerdy, short, just the right amount of camp and even down right gay to me ( more stereotypically gay then Chris), who likes to sing (in their minds to them and only them), who is proficient in the look. He just perfect for a teen idol. To bad for him I stopped being a teen 8 years ago (better make that 11, because I doubt I would have had a thing for him even at 18).

[Guest]

My dear girl - don't you see his dreaminess? His fab acting where he nails every scene and those lovable dorky faces he makes while singing that are just SO HIM? The sex appeal he oozes? The way he connects with EVERYONE in sight? His many red carpet appearances and his ability to sing at any and every occasion? And he is so humble and unassuming. He does not even KNOW how talented and hot he is.

[ColferInspired]

I have never thought Darren was hot or even that attractive.

When I first saw Chris in the Madonna episode I thought he was really cute. I am shallow, I do still watch shows if I find a character or actor cute. Of course I have like the show as well.

Guys like Darren do nothing for me. I like guys with boyish features or are like Chris.

To me that is super hot.

[brisallie]

Surely someone will say that I have drunk kool aid but I find Darren attractive lol I mean he's not a beauty like Chris but he's ok . However I'd rather Chris because he's double dangerous : a beautiful boy with an interesting personality :D

[Jellyrolls]

I prefer not to compare the career choices of DC and CC. same reason I don't compare CC's career choices w/ that of Cory's, or Lea's. They are all very different people w/ different strengths and weaknesses and each will shine in their own right. For a young actors it's always going to be a struggle, but what CC has done so far is very commendable. Glee is his stepping stone. what happenes outside/after Glee is the real test. Most TV actors are known as one role on TV for years and never seen again, or only pick up small roles once in a blue moon here and there. The competition is very intense and most of them simply don't make it in the long run (not to mention the majority of actors dont make it into Hollywood at all, except some extra roles).

I hope everyone just relax and enjoy the show for whatever it's worth. CC's glory really lies outside and beyond Glee. I am just praying for this show to go no further than next season.

Regarding the bolded, I think that the next step is definitely key for Chris. Actually, I think that his next project that isn't self-created is key for Chris. While I think it's great that he wrote SBL and the Land of Stories, I'm really curious to see the type of offers he gets from Hollywood in the future.

I believe in Chris, and I agree with you that his glory lies outside of Glee. I don't think he's going to turn into Brad Pitt or Tom Cruise, but I can see him turning into an Ethan Hawke--do some major films to earn big bucks, but also take time to do the independent stuff that might be more rewarding. Ethan has published two books, dabbled in music a bit, has performed in some well recieved theatre (off and on Broadway).

I think that all this highlights just how much different starts to fame and fandom Chris and Darren had. Darren seams like a very outgoing "I like the spot light kind of guy". He had a popular acting troupe in collage that translated into a huge online fanbase for StarKid. Just going into Glee, he had a huge number of fans that knew him and liked him already and that would support him in anything. Chris, while very ambitious, was unpopular and invisible in high-school and very unsuccessful to break through before Glee. Literary nobody knew who he was. His stardom came with a speed of lightning and I think he still hasn't adjusted to it, unlike DC who knew what it was like to have crazy, obsessed fans even before Glee. Chris when from nobody to a series breakout star, Emmy nominee in a year and an author, GG winner, and with his first production in 2. His rise was much greater and faster then DC.

As for fandoms, while both have diverse fans, I think DC has far more teen girls, young women who generally vote more and are more vocal and tend to vote for men exclusively and then for the one they find hotter and would like to date/have sex with/ fantasize about. Then Chris who has them as well, but also a huge contingent of middle age women and men who tend to be a bit more rational (not that they can't appreciated hot young men )

When we look at that stupid poll, it said favorite character. The problem I have is that the two characteristics that people like best about Blaine is that he is hot and a great singer and both of those are inherent to the actor who plays him rather to the character he portrays. What else is there to Blaine that you can like, when he gets a personality transplant every other episode. And this character beat out Karen Walker, Kurt Hummel, Buffy, Scully from X Files, Captain Picard,... It shows me that the only criteria the votes were using was superficial looks because otherwise anyone with half a brain would realize that Blaine can barely be called a character at all.

I totally agree with your descriptions of Chris and Darren's fans. I have said many times that Darren's younger fans are more like to buy iTunes songs, and participate on social networks than Chris's older fans. I think it's great that Chris seems to have such a varied fanbase because I think his fans will be more likely to stick with him, whereas Darren's fans are likely to outgrow him, or forget about him when the next flavor of the month comes along.

[fantastica]

Matt Morison's most recent interview:

“It’s [glee] not ending any time soon.

“Once they have you, they trap you. I’m tied in to seven years – I signed up to seven years and I cannot get out of it.

“I have a really good lawyer but there’s nothing we can do – I’ve had offers recently for a few really cool movies but had to turn them down. It’s so frustrating.

“None of us realised when we signed up it’d turn into this – we thought it was just a show about kids singing and dancing.

"But I’ve done three years now, so I have another four to go – I literally cannot get out of it. It’s a great show, it provided me with my big break, but what can I do? Urrrgh.”

I don't see any of the kids doing big movies when glee is still on. chris can do his own movies because he can schedule it to fit his own time. other projects would be hard to accomodate, especially for a leading role in a big budget movie.

[Guest]

This is what I was told: the studio can cancel the contract at any time. But after 3 years it has to be renewed. This gives the actors chance a to renegotiate their contract. If they want to keep someone, they may have to sweeten the pot a bit. They may be able to keep who they want, but they also can get rid of who they want. I would imagine Glee would not want to keep all it's seniors because they would have to pay them all more. I think that is why Ryan asked who was ready to go. If Dianna feels she wants to do movies, she would probably earn more money and may want to go. Matt is older and may want the steady paycheck. If the show doesn't last past next year, or the year after, the contract is null and void. Now, having said that, I am not sure what is really true, but this is what I have heard and it makes sense. You can't expect to keep someone 7 years without a salary adjustment, and this show is known for paying low. Someone like Chris wants to stay because this is where he gets ideas and has the freedom to follow his own path (it's nice being your own boss.).

[brisallie]

...When we look at that stupid poll, it said favorite character. The problem I have is that the two characteristics that people like best about Blaine is that he is hot and a great singer and both of those are inherent to the actor who plays him rather to the character he portrays. What else is there to Blaine that you can like, when he gets a personality transplant every other episode. And this character beat out Karen Walker, Kurt Hummel, Buffy, Scully from X Files, Captain Picard,... It shows me that the only criteria the votes were using was superficial looks because otherwise anyone with half a brain would realize that Blaine can barely be called a character at all.

So AfterElton's favorite character was chosen by viewers??? I'm asking now what was the criteria of those people for voting because as you have said How Blaine has beaten out great and popular characters such Karen, Scully,Buffy (I grew up with Buffy!), Captain Picard and so on? HOW?

[fantastica]

^ by his fans. that's all. favorite character means it's a popularity contest of some sort. I never heard of this poll until it's over.

[dap1217]

Fxxk them all.
I am going to write a big hit novel,then make it another IT movie,make Chris the male lead,he'll get Oscar,GG...lots of awards.Those crey crey someones fans can go home and wonder why Chris is so amazing BECAUSE HE IS YOU IDIOTS.

Even though I normally only write female lead character.But I can come up with tons of different interesting male roles Chris can perfectly fit in.Sigh.He's so inspirational.

[Guest]

I am tweeting @BFalchuk to #FreeKurt and give him a strong actor to play against.

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