Re: General Glee Discussion Thread--Part 6

[Glorfindel]

^Here's the youtube version:








How radically things an in a matter of a few weeks, maybe even days in this case.  

[brisallie]

This is sad because of Cory.   

http://starkurt.tumblr.com/post/87957841683/glee-season-5-publicity-shoot

I felt teary. And yeah is sad how in few weeks they went from this to experiencing the loss of a friend.

[ChrisColferFan1]

This is sad because of Cory.   

http://starkurt.tumblr.com/post/87957841683/glee-season-5-publicity-shoot

I felt teary. And yeah is sad how in few weeks they went from this to experiencing the loss of a friend.

Agree. I wonder how different season 5 would have been if Cory had not died.

[tanita_mors]

idk, looking back at this season, i feel that when cory died, so did glee. that what made this show great has been missing the past few seasons, but it was so bluntly obvious this year. the glue that held this show were cory/lea/chris/jane/naya/matt. take way half those elements and you are left with a half backed product that is using cheap and inadequate supplements to fell all those voids and give it the old flavor back. and it failed epically.

[Glorfindel]

^I agree. Though looking back Cory's passing wasn't the cause of the (pardon the expression) 'death' of Glee. but he was one of the few last things still left that they simply couldn't afford to lose anymore. They needed Cory, just like Lea, Chris and Naya, for Glee as the 'body' of Glee for it to still breathe and survive, let alone function in some proper way.

They already chopped off Glee's arms and legs when they willingly and purposely practically fired half of the old cast (Amber, Mark, Dianna, Mike, Jayma, and Matt was on his way out too). They took Glee's heart, brain and soul away when they sidelined their most fleshed out characters (Kurt of course, but also Santana, Will, Emma, even Rachel). And Finn was one of those characters that got sidelined too before he even died (even though they pretended otherwise after he died).
Glee basically was nothing more than a torso anymore that was capable of only the most basic bodily functions, consumating and pooping out songs and brainless/soulless storylines.

Then they involuntary lost fan favorite Brittany/Heather (due to her pregnancy which was unexpected), when they had just put a lot of weight on her shoulders in season 4 to carry the show (no matter that this strategy didn't work), and right after that they lost Finn/Cory. Glee perhaps could have survived losing just one of those 2 within a short time (arguably it would have been the least hard to lose only Brittany) but they lost them both, and they were also both on the Lima side.
And instead of stitching up and bandaging the wound caused by the loss of Brittany and Finn as fast and as best as they could, and making sure that part of the 'body' of Glee took some rest to recover, RIB stupidly thought they could fix things by keeping pumping new blood in the not closed wound and putting even more strain on that part of the 'body'.

If RIB had been smart they could have overcome those losses, by speeding up shutting down the Lima part and moving everyone that was still interesting to New York asap (and I know we don't count Blam as such, but in all fairness they couldn't afford to lose them on top of everything too).
But they kept the Lima side going almost indefinitely (and at the detriment of the New York side) till they bled so many viewers it all didn't matter anymore. Losing Santana/Naya at the end of season 5 as well was the final nail in the coffin, but tbh Glee was practially dead before that happened.

I'd say Glee was a dead man walking right after episode 1 of season 5, when viewers tuning in for the new season found nothing was changing and Lima was still 90% of the focus. The rating dropped between episode 1 and 2 because of that, and again after episode 6 (Movin' Out) when it became clear that Blam was moving to New York when the show would finally get there (and it still took them almost a year! to get there).

Cory's death on top of Heather leaving surely was the fatal blow, but it only was able to become that fatal blow because RIB had by then already severely weakened Glee by dismissing/sidelining half of the old cast, so they had no reserves, no solid cast to fall back on.
And it was their own stupidity again of continuing with the Lima side for another 13(!) episodes that made any recovery completely impossible.

[ColferInspired]

The Bae @harryshumjr built a dance studio. And we are USING it. #humpday #IGGY #OneLessProblem

Don't know if these are old pics, but they are recently posted.  

[Ranwing]

For me, the reasons behind Glee's nearly complete collapse are all rooted in the arrogance of RIB not recognizing early on that they were on the wrong path and refusing to make necessary corrections in a timely matter. They ended up alienating large sections of the audience that never returns. Cory's death was a factor, but Glee was so badly damaged before that happened that I don't consider it to be the kind of fatal moment that the show runners have tried to make it out to be.

This is a basic collection of a lot of the problems that I've seen with Glee going all the way back to the later half of season 3 and really shows just how far back these problems go and how deep the problems run.

Where did Glee go wrong?

[Buenos]

http://chriscolfernews.com

These are among the official nominating ballots submitted for Glee:

Outstanding Supporting Actor In A Comedy Series:
Chris Colfer

Outstanding Writing For A Comedy Series:
Old Dog, New Tricks

[Jellyrolls]

This was posted on E Online:

Come Monday morning, the usual admiring crowd turned to Twitter to check in on Naya Rivera and...

She was nowhere to be found!

The gorgeous Glee star appears to have deleted her account without explanation, leaving bummed-sounding phrases like "naya rivera twitter deleted" in her wake as the verified @NayaRivera refused to pop up in the regular search field.

And yes, her fans are bummed, responding with tweets ranging from @wagman's "Naya Rivera deleted her twitter randomly so I guess I no longer have use for twitter" to @cpagniello's "First Megan Fox abandons her twitter, now Naya Rivera deletes hers, WHO'S NEXT???!!?! DEMI?!?!? #trifecta#sad."

(For the record, Megan Fox still has an active account, though her last tweet, dated Jan. 9, 2013, read "5 days on Twitter and I have yet to discern it's purpose. #WhatIsThePoint ???" Demi Moore hasn't tweeted since Feb. 7, 2013, but presumably @cpagniello meant Demi Lovato, and she is still tweetin' away.)

Well, Naya hasn't had the easiest past few months, so if she's more interested in focusing on the real people around her rather than the ones orbiting her twitterverse...we get it.

But fear not, Santana devotees, because Naya is still on Instagram and just posted a couple of pics yesterday from the New York set of the PSA short she's directing for Welcome.us, the home of Immigrant Heritage Month.

"Living that director life..." the 27-year-old actress wrote alongside a pic of a piece of filmmaking equipment.

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[Glorfindel]

http://chriscolfernews.com

These are among the official nominating ballots submitted for Glee:

Outstanding Supporting Actor In A Comedy Series:
Chris Colfer

Outstanding Writing For A Comedy Series:
Old Dog, New Tricks

Yay! That must mean that the network submitted his episode, right?   
I doubt Cris can do that for himself.

Wow: besides 'The Quarterback' Chris' episode is the only one to be submitted for the writing.

And all his guest stars are submitted too!   

Here are all the submissions:

Performer:

Outstanding Lead Actress In A Comedy Series:

• Lea Michele
  

Outstanding Supporting Actress In A Comedy Series:

• Jane Lynch
  
• Naya Rivera 
  

Outstanding Supporting Actor In A Comedy Series: 

• Chris Colfer
  
• Darren Criss
  
• Blake Jenner
  
• Kevin McHale
  
• Chord Overstreet 
  

Guest Performer:

Outstanding Guest Actor In A Comedy Series: 

• Tim Conaway (Old Dog, New Tricks) 
  
• Mike O’Malley (The Quarterback)
  

Outstanding Guest Actress In A Comedy Series: 

• Kristin Chenoweth (100)
  
• Dot-Marie Jones (The Quarterback)
  
• Shirley MacLaine (The Back-Up Plan)
  
• Gwyneth Paltrow (New Directions)
  
• Romy Rosemont (The Quarterback)
  
• June Squibb (Old Dog, New Tricks)
  

Outstanding Writing For A Comedy Series:

• Old Dog, New Tricks
  
• The Quarterback
  

Outstanding Directing For A Comedy Series:

• 100 (Paris Barclay)
  
• Old Dog, New Tricks (Bradley Buecker)
  
• The Quarterback (Brad Falchuk)
  

Outstanding Cinematography For A Single-Camera Series:

• Opening Night (Joaquin Sedillo)
  

Outstanding Art Direction For A Contemporary Or Fantasy Series (Single-Camera):

• New New York
  
• Bash
  
• Opening Night 
  

Outstanding Costumes For A Series:

• Love, Love, Love
  

Hairstyling/Makeup:
Outstanding Hairstyling For A Single-Camera Series:

• A Katy Or A Gaga (Tena Parker Baker)
  

Outstanding Makeup For A Single-Camera Series (Non-Prosthetic):

• A Katy Or A Gaga (Kelley Mitchell, Jennifer Greenberg, Melissa Buell,  Lana Horochowski)
  

Outstanding Sound Editing For A Series: New New York
Outstanding Sound Mixing For A Comedy Or Drama Series (One Hour): New New York

Lol, Darren submitted himself again.  

[Ranwing]

http://chriscolfernews.com

These are among the official nominating ballots submitted for Glee:

Outstanding Supporting Actor In A Comedy Series:
Chris Colfer

Outstanding Writing For A Comedy Series:
Old Dog, New Tricks

Yay! That must mean that the network submitted his episode, right?   
I doubt Cris can do that for himself.

Wow: besides 'The Quarterback' Chris' episode is the only one to be submitted for the writing.

And all his guest stars are submitted too!   

That's so great for Chris! Even if the episode doesn't actually get any nominations, it's a great testament to how highly regarded his work is being viewed by the network (both as an actor and a writer).

Here are all the submissions:

Performer:

Outstanding Lead Actress In A Comedy Series:

• Lea Michele
  

Outstanding Supporting Actress In A Comedy Series:

• Jane Lynch
  
• Naya Rivera 
  

Outstanding Supporting Actor In A Comedy Series: 

• Chris Colfer
  
• Darren Criss
  
• Blake Jenner
  
• Kevin McHale
  
• Chord Overstreet 
  

Guest Performer:

Outstanding Guest Actor In A Comedy Series: 

• Tim Conaway (Old Dog, New Tricks) 
  
• Mike O’Malley (The Quarterback)
  

Outstanding Guest Actress In A Comedy Series: 

• Kristin Chenoweth (100)
  
• Dot-Marie Jones (The Quarterback)
  
• Shirley MacLaine (The Back-Up Plan)
  
• Gwyneth Paltrow (New Directions)
  
• Romy Rosemont (The Quarterback)
  
• June Squibb (Old Dog, New Tricks)
  

Outstanding Writing For A Comedy Series:

• Old Dog, New Tricks
  
• The Quarterback
  

Outstanding Directing For A Comedy Series:

• 100 (Paris Barclay)
  
• Old Dog, New Tricks (Bradley Buecker)
  
• The Quarterback (Brad Falchuk)
  

Outstanding Cinematography For A Single-Camera Series:

• Opening Night (Joaquin Sedillo)
  

Outstanding Art Direction For A Contemporary Or Fantasy Series (Single-Camera):

• New New York
  
• Bash
  
• Opening Night 
  

Outstanding Costumes For A Series:

• Love, Love, Love
  

Hairstyling/Makeup:
Outstanding Hairstyling For A Single-Camera Series:

• A Katy Or A Gaga (Tena Parker Baker)
  

Outstanding Makeup For A Single-Camera Series (Non-Prosthetic):

• A Katy Or A Gaga (Kelley Mitchell, Jennifer Greenberg, Melissa Buell,  Lana Horochowski)
  

Outstanding Sound Editing For A Series: New New York
Outstanding Sound Mixing For A Comedy Or Drama Series (One Hour): New New York

Lol, Darren submitted himself again.  

LOL! Darren submitting himself (again) really is the height of conceit. And nothing will hide the fact that his own bosses at FOX didn't think highly enough of his work (despite how much screen time he devoured) to throw his name into the ring.

[ColferInspired]

Ashley is doing a webseries with Brian Danelly and some from the cast of SBL such as Allie Grant, Graham Rogers and Angela Kinsey.

It's called Zombie Basement.

I saw this on her instagram along with more pics about it.

I do not know how to save from instagram, but it is coming this fall.

[sheny]

Teen Choice Nominees 2014

   CHOICE TV SHOW: COMEDY

       Austin & Ally
       Glee
       New Girl
       Sam & Cat
       The Big Bang Theory

   CHOICE TV ACTOR: COMEDY

       Andy Samberg, Brooklyn Nine-Nine
       Ashton Kutcher, Two and a Half Men
       Chord Overstreet, Glee
       Jim Parsons, The Big Bang Theory
       Ross Lynch, Austin & Ally

   CHOICE TV ACTRESS: COMEDY

       Debby Ryan, Jessie
       Kaley Cuoco, The Big Bang Theory
       Laura Marano, Austin & Ally
       Lea Michele, Glee
       Mindy Kaling, The Mindy Project

[Ranwing]

Given that we know that the TCAs are completely manipulated, I am not at all upset to see Chris not up for an award. With him not being around for at least part of next season because of his outside project, I can understand that TPTB desperately need to make Chord happen. They need him (and Darren) to be able to carry the show.

The problem? They've been trying this for two years now and it hasn't worked. So putting him up for this nonsense award is nothing but desperation on their part. Frankly, I'm surprised that they didn't put Darren up for the award.

[Buenos]

I've never head of "Austin &  Ally", is it on Cable?

As to Chord, it's too funny they are still trying to make him happen, his ITUNES sales  are among the poorest of Glee  overall, I think Jenna sells more than Chord. A couple of tunes didn't even make top 1500. 

The only reason I bring this up isn't because ITUNE sales are the only barometer, but that quite frankly, there seems to be no quantifiable data/measurement to imply that Chord is all that popular other than giving Ryan Murphy a hard on when he takes off his shirt.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Chris (and yes Darren and even arguably Kevin ) are more popular than Chord and yet he's the "Teen Choice" award nominee...hilarious.  

And Glee as comedy when it's the lowest rated network show on TV , but FOX manipulates this award.  IIRC Wasn't this the award show last year that Norwegian Wood was having epileptic seizures  because Chris chose not to attend?

[Ranwing]

And Glee as comedy when it's the lowest rated network show on TV , but FOX manipulates this award.  IIRC Wasn't this the award show last year that Norwegian Wood was having epileptic seizures  because Chris chose not to attend?

Yup. Because they were turning Lea's acceptace speech into the big Cory tribute and Chris dared to have something else doing that night. I was actually really glad that he was one of several in the cast who didn't attend because that display was really repulsive.

No one takes the TCAs at all seriously, and after learning that it's not the votes that determine the winner it has even less meaning. Let Chord have this nomination - it's not going to help Glee or his career.

[Buenos]

And Glee as comedy when it's the lowest rated network show on TV , but FOX manipulates this award.  IIRC Wasn't this the award show last year that Norwegian Wood was having epileptic seizures  because Chris chose not to attend?

Yup. Because they were turning Lea's acceptace speech into the big Cory tribute and Chris dared to have something else doing that night. I was actually really glad that he was one of several in the cast who didn't attend because that display was really repulsive.

No one takes the TCAs at all seriously, and after learning that it's not the votes that determine the winner it has even less meaning. Let Chord have this nomination - it's not going to help Glee or his career.

That's right, Chris had a  live chat regarding his LOS book that had just been released, and IIRC  NW said that Chris choose to talk to children and old ladies online instead of some perceived sackcloth tribute to Cory who NW adored and worshipped so much.   

I'm sure it's a fun show for teenagers (Kevin hosted it one year and did a great job)  and Chris has attended and won in other years, so it's nothing horrible, but I"m guessing he won't attend this year being in merry ole England.  

Though he might attend another year if he has a TV series or movie out...no harm but at the same time not the end of the world he's not nominated this year.  

Though Chord as a nominee, oh my.

[Ranwing]

If the PCAs can really be taken as a gage of how popular (or how much "buzz") an actor has (insomuch that their fans will go nuts voting), the TCAs are about marketing and who the shows want to promote. With Glee's cast as it is, pickings for who TPTB want to promote are pretty slime. Of the girls, the only two are Lea and Naya and we know that there is no way in hell that they would ever want to promote Naya over Lea (RM's pet).

Of the guys, Chris is the one who deserves it most and needs it least. When you look at the list of other male nominees, only Chris can and should be counted among them as a peer. But he is now moved well past Glee and hardly needs this kind of promotion (and being that the show hasn't wanted to focus on his character is so long, him not being put forward isn't exactly a surprise). Of the other two guys - Darren and Chord - Chord is the one taking over the mantle of straight white guy lead from Cory. Not that this will help Chord at all. He's been an afterthought on Glee since season 3 (when he screwed up and quit over his status before crawling back). It's not like he's got all these prospects outside of Glee so this might well be the high point of his career for him.

[Buenos]

I never ever get tired of this Kurtbastian creation:    

http://glee4ever.tumblr.com/post/89070686086/the-first-time-directors-cut-this-is-how-i

[Vir Cotto]

I never ever get tired of this Kurtbastian creation:    

http://glee4ever.tumblr.com/post/89070686086/the-first-time-directors-cut-this-is-how-i

Wow, I'd forgotten how much chemistry Chris and Grant had. That RIB didn't see that and run with it, is one of the most egregious cases of Dropping-the-Ball-itis I've ever seen. Kurt and Sebastian would have been smokin' AND hysterical. Plus, Blaine could have cried sad, little hobbit tears to make his fans feel good about his/their victimization. Win/win.

[ChrisColferFan1]

I never ever get tired of this Kurtbastian creation:    

http://glee4ever.tumblr.com/post/89070686086/the-first-time-directors-cut-this-is-how-i

Wow, I'd forgotten how much chemistry Chris and Grant had. That RIB didn't see that and run with it, is one of the most egregious cases of Dropping-the-Ball-itis I've ever seen. Kurt and Sebastian would have been smokin' AND hysterical. Plus, Blaine could have cried sad, little hobbit tears to make his fans feel good about his/their victimization. Win/win.

Agree 100%. In my opinion Glee would still be good and the relationship between Kurt and Sebastian would be far more balance.

[Ranwing]

Well, there's one good thing about the TCAs... at least we won't have to pretend that we're 14 year olds this year!

[Buenos]

I never ever get tired of this Kurtbastian creation:    

http://glee4ever.tumblr.com/post/89070686086/the-first-time-directors-cut-this-is-how-i

Wow, I'd forgotten how much chemistry Chris and Grant had. That RIB didn't see that and run with it, is one of the most egregious cases of Dropping-the-Ball-itis I've ever seen. Kurt and Sebastian would have been smokin' AND hysterical. Plus, Blaine could have cried sad, little hobbit tears to make his fans feel good about his/their victimization. Win/win.

Agree 100%. In my opinion Glee would still be good and the relationship between Kurt and Sebastian  would be far more balance.

Kurt had great chemistry with  Sebastian, Adam and Elliot...

Wow...wonder if it has anything to do with the actor portraying the character... 

What I loved about Kurt/Sebastian was that Kurt could let the snark flow and Sebastian relished it.  When Kurt tells Sebastian " I don't like you." and Sebastian responds "Fun, I don't like you either", the sparks were magic.
   

[Buenos]

Well, there's one good thing about the TCAs... at least we won't have to pretend that we're 14 year olds this year!

What's stupid is that Glee is off the air until next year, so whatever TCA buzz gets going doesn't help Glee/FOX at all.

I wouldn't be surprised if Glee is off the air  until next spring or even summer.  There is no buzz/mojo left and it will be even more pronounced when the fall season with shows commences and the media starts focusing on the shows that are actually airing.

The only suspense left with Glee is how many episodes are ordered and when they start filming.   It's basically a deathwatch at this point, which is sad, since Glee won't even get a triumphal last hurrah conclusion but wobble/stagger to it's end.

[fantastica]

^ plus how low is the rating can get.  

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