Re: General Glee Discussion Thread--Part 4

[Glorfindel]

Show of hands. How many people totally missed the blarren picture when they looked at this?  I didn't see him at all until someone mentioned it on tumblr. Poor golden boy toy in little picture.  

HAhahahahaaaaa! I didn't even notice him till you pointed it out.


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Article on Wetpaint: Glee Might Cut Most Its Cast in NYC Switch: Which Characters HAVE to Stay?

And a poll on TV-Line: Should 'Glee' Make NYC Its Primary Focus?


The people have spoken.

[Ranwing]

Article on Wetpaint: Glee Might Cut Most Its Cast in NYC Switch: Which Characters HAVE to Stay?

And a poll on TV-Line: Should 'Glee' Make NYC Its Primary Focus?


The people have spoken.

 
One would think that the crash and burn ratings since the introduction of Blee and the noobs would have told them that. But this certainly specifies what the audience isn't interested in seeing.

[brisallie]

Show of hands. How many people totally missed the blarren picture when they looked at this?  I didn't see him at all until someone mentioned it on tumblr. Poor golden boy toy in little picture.  

Darren was on it? Lol I didn't notice it either.

[fantastica]

Yeah, i too have to look really hard for it after jelly mentioned it, and it still took over a minute.

[fantastica]

kim, you keep bringing up stuff from my childhood that remind of me of a better, simpler time. trolls above, TMNT (i can't believe you hate the GREATEST kids show in the world - i'm talking about the 1980's version of course), Power Rangers (i loved them as a kid, but i saw an episode the other day, and boy was that show CHEAP and CAMPY), Dragon Balls (I hated that show as well, and it was so effing pervy).

lol Ivana, your loki vs. my thorin! (these english men are so hot!)

i hate these shows because i was already an adult when they came out, but i had to watch them 1000 times because my kids kept on playing them, over and over. if you were in my shoes you would hate them with a vengeance too.

[ColferInspired]

Acapella version of "Music of The Night" from "Choke".

http://struckers.tumblr.com/post/65862339312/nadiacreek-evilqueenofmyheart-3x18-glee

[tanita_mors]

[Lottie2303]

Playbill Poll

Any thoughts? I just realized I have zero knowledge about theater and I grew up loving musicals (still do). What happened? I am ashamed. I really dislike the last option, but I doubt Chris would chose his first BW debut which was once occupied by any of his fellow co-stars. Otherwise, I want him on BW and come what may, I'll be there watching the show punkk

[Glorfindel]

^Most of those choices are good, although there is some type casting going on that I don't think fit Chris, both when it comes to tenor roles as countertenor ones.  

In my earlier tumblr post I forgot to mention Jack from 'Into the Woods', Gabe from 'Next to Normal', and of course there's the Emcee in 'Cabaret'. I'm glad that Elder Price and Fiyero were the first roles to pop up on Playbill, as those would be great roles for Chris (although Fiyero is kind of an airhead).So there's plenty roles that people think Chris can play.  

The H2$ suggestion is probably a Klainer/CrissColfer choice, as 'm pretty sure that if Darren hadn't played Finch recently 95% of the fans wouldn't even know what that musical was about.  

I don't think Chris would want to be in drag, so although his voice is very suited for Angel in 'Rent' I don't think he'd want that role. OTOH: Angel dies, and that is something I think Chris would love to act out on stage night after night.

[Ranwing]

Many of these are parts that I'd been suggesting for Chris for some time. The only one that I really didn't like for Chris was the suggestion for Pricilla Queen of the Desert - I don't know why people automatically assume that just because Chris is gay that he should be playing drag roles. And I agree that a good portion of the H2$ votes were from the Crisscolfer fans who can't help from trying to link anything that Chris does to Darren, but it wouldn't be a bad part for him to play. I'd suggested Gabe from Next to Normal ages ago. As for a possible RENT revival, I would much rather see him play Mark than Angel since 1) it would avoid Chris playing another gay role (and this one in drag) and 2) Mark is the soul of the show and my single favorite character (who gets the best songs).

Right now, at this moment, Chris is more limited by his age than his voice and sexuality as to what kind of roles he could go for. Chris is a young man who looks and sounds young, so he's not going to be playing parts like Billy Flynn (Chicago) or Jean Valjean. Yet. In ten years, with some more maturity, more parts will open up for him. And Chris doesn't have to be limited to musicals. I would love to see him do some serious acting roles in serious plays. As good and unique as Chris's voice is, he's not dependent upon it (the way some who I won't name are) to play their parts effectively.

[Lottie2303]

I am in a generous mood today (I am also in between jobs and have a bit too much free time... thankfully not for a long while) and every now and then I think how characters I hate could improve. I mean, most of us all don't like Blaine. One of the biggest reasons (next to Darren's limited talent) is actually how he is always portrayed as perfect (despite all the contrary evidence).

So, as much as it pains me for Kurt, I actually want Blaine to cheat again. I want him to be one of those serial cheaters, who are never satisfied with life and need constant approval. I want that as:

a) it fits Blaine's canon character already and strangely enough it would make him more "likable" (remember Brody who suddenly got a fanbase when he was outed as gigolo?!)
b) give the opportunity to finally see heartbroken Kurt (who will come out of this much stronger) and let Chris' acting shine ; and
c) Glee finally needs to admit that cheating is not just an obstacle but the actual stop for many relationships.

I know it won't happen and the engagement seems to be set in stone. But still, Blaine needs some serious accepted flaws, because currently he seems to developed into the most hated character of the show. Despite all the claims from serious media outlets, RIB, FOX and Blarren fans for Blaine being fan favorite, I do not believe that. I just believe they are very loud.

[Lottie2303]

Aaaand it could develop into a 'friends with benefit'-relationship with Elliott, to show Kurt's sexual side, improve his confidence once again and finally shred his baby penguin status.

[Glorfindel]

^Kurt's baby penguin status got quite shredded in 'I Do', methinks. The way Chris acted a horny and then sexually satisfied Kurt was HOT!  


For me Blaine could only be redeemed if they make him go through some therapy or process, so he knows where his flaws lie and confesses and apologizes properly for his mistakes, if he becomes less selfish, needy and clingy (creepy stalkerish even), and of course wouldn't need to cheat again to validate himself.
But in order for that to work the other characters (and RIB) would have to stop hero worshipping him and Blaine would have to lose a few times, and we all know that Glee won't do that.  

Another thing that would have to happen before I could distinctly like Blaine again is for Blee to stop giving him so many solos and songs, and to stop trying to make him a lead character, because Darren is much better digestable in te background, and if they only give him comedy to act out.
I might even stomach him as Kurt's bf again, if they do all that.

Oh, and stop with the gel helmet and grandpa-toddler clothes.  



Yeah, not going to happen.

[Lottie2303]

Yeah, but by making a serial cheater I obviously also expect that RIB acknowledge it and Blaine needs to deal with the consequences. Hence, therapy would be a good idea. Obviously Kurt breaks up with Blaine and can continue living without Blaine. I also want a big Kurt scene finally giving him his piece of mind! 'I Do' was totally hot, but I want a repeat performance, hence my hopes for potential Elliott/Kurt (a girl can dream).

The decrease of screentime and songs is a given anyway, because Darren could never ever carry such a serious SL anyway. But at least it would make Blaine as character a bit more interesting, and could also make him more likable again.

There was one comment somewhere, someplace that RIB actually planned an extensive SL about Blaine's parents being illegal Asian immigrants and Darren refused.  Given Darren's status on the show, I actually believe he can nudge the writers in the direction he wants them to go. RIB wrote the entire forth season with Blaine in mind... It may not be true, but I get the impression Darren doesn't want Blaine to have any serious depth, and only wants his character to be goody-good shoe. He seems to be terrified about fan reaction and he obviously wants to be a star. So instead of playing a character, he wants Blaine to be as bland  and nice as possible (still of course with a lot of screentime), so the audience doesn't hate him. Remember this long letter before "The Break Up" aired? Funnily the opposite happened, as exactly the opposite is currently developing and the number of people disliking Blaine is getting so much bigger and louder. It just cannot be ignored anymore.

[brisallie]

As regards Darren asking writers to now write deep storylines for Blaine is kinda funny, because some people still hate Blaine for what he did. However, I might had probably forgotten if he were able to deal better with the situation, instead of being a 'victim', he should have accepted his responsibility and being an adult. So probably that why only his fans has forgiven him. In addition, whatever mistake Blaine made, his fans will always claim is RIB fault, which I partly agree. But by other side, I also believe actors have importance in how the characters are portray, that why despite of the awful writing, some characters are still believable and loved.

[Ranwing]

Darren asking for "deep" storylines is pretty laughable because he has proven over and over again that he's just not capable of handling anything more than light comedy. Every time he was given something the slightest bit meaty, it because a mess because Darren just doesn't have the chops to carry it.

Actors have a responsibility in helping to shape their characters. Being a theater junkie, I've seen multiple productions of different shows and each time you get a different feel for the characters depending on how the actors chose to play them. And I've said it many times... if Blaine continues to feel more like a cardboard cutout who sings after having more than a full season of screen time devoted primarily to him, then the writers cannot be held completely to blame. Not when we got more development for Kurt in the first half of season one when he was still considered and treated like a second tier characters. A good actor takes an active hand in shaping his character and the fact that Darren doesn't shows that he is a poor actor. Or at the very least, a lazy one. He is basically asking for the writers to do his job for him, giving Blaine the depth that Darren has refused to give him (or is unable to give him).

And let's be honest... anything "deep" will likely end up the way Big Brother turned out for Blaine. Unintentionally comedic when it's supposed to be serious. Everyone remember his big dramatic moment, singing Fighter and having a good portion of the audience giggling as a result? Deep storylines would be wasted on Darren.

[Lottie2303]

^ Or when he is singing "Hopelessly devoted to you" and he looks and acts like that he just shit in his pants and wants to go to toilet desperately. Or his faces during "Cough Syrup" looking like he has diarrhea?! He really is no good actor, no questions asked.

BTW, I don't believe he actually wants deep SL's. I think he wants to be liked by the audience, so the nicer Blaine, the better for Darren. Unfortunately RIB write shitty scripts and all fan favorites are so well liked because the actors actually have talent and/or personality. Darren relied far too much on Chris fanbase, RIB's devotion to change the show into Blee, and the confidence everyone watching the show loves him. He is currently losing hard.

[brisallie]

Please don't remind me his derp faces in those supposedly 'serious' and 'painful' moments. I put aside Cough Syrup, only because I liked the song and thankfully Max acted well his scenes and made me feel his sorrow. But I'm sorry Darren, I know he comes from a theatrical background and usually emotions are more eagerly expressed on stage, but at this point he should have learned to tone down those expressions, is not nice for TV.

[sheny]

I don't know how I feel about the "writer" part. The book is not even released for another 7 months.

[Lottie2303]

Agreed. I also believe her book is very risky and not automatic guarantee success, as she may expect.

I must say I dislike the Elle photoshot, as I really don't like the hairstyle of hers. She is a beautiful girl with amazing hair and they styled it as if she didn't take a shower in a week  

[valkeakuulas]

Is her book going to be a autobiography or a how-to-make-it-in the business kind of book?

Just by thinking something big will be revealed, (sorry to say especially after Cory's death) is alone enough to sell a relatively known actresses book a fair amount of copies.

ETA: I've read/bought books based solely on those expectations.

[Lottie2303]

^ I think it is about her career, specifically her start. I have to say, I would judge her so very hard if she tries to sell her book using Cory's death. Every ounce of respect for her would disappear within a second. I will not deny that.

[Ranwing]

The fact that her book isn't really an autobiography (which while self-serving can be interesting) so we're not going to get any big, juicy secrets. And it's not going to be a tell-all about her career (which again can be interesting). From what I understand, it's supposed to be part beauty tips, part career advice from someone who has been acting since childhood who didn't fit the show-buisiness "norms" (which to me is a highly debatable point). How much of a market there actually exists for a book like this is questionable, given that it's pretty much impossible to copy Lea's career path. Unless she really switches things around and makes it more of a personal statement about her life (which would include her relationship with Cory and losing him), I can't see it being a big seller.

As far as Lea calling herself a "writer"... she'll have a book with her name attached to it as the author, but I suspect that the majority of the writing will be done by a professional. It's not like Chris who was always working on his book during breaks on the set (and remarked on by those he was working with). I haven't heard anything of Lea spending time actually "writing" so how much will actually be by her is going to be suspect.

I realize that it's been several months since Cory died and Lea does have to look to her own future career now, but it's hard to read about how "brave" she is when she's posing for glamour shots and going on about a book and album. Her self-promotion is back in full swing, apparently.

[Lottie2303]

^ Totally agreed, Wendy. I agree with every word, especially the last bit. And I also will believe Lea wrote the book when she releases video tapes of her writing the book. Sorry, I also do not believe her not using a ghostwriter.

[Ranwing]

I'm trying not to hate on Lea here, but there is a vast difference between her "writing" and what real writers do. I'm not going to try to compare Lea's upcoming book to what Chris has done, but Lea's project is so lightweight that a feather would crush it. Books like what Lea plans to put out are pretty common-place for celebrities. They are done to capitalize on fame and earn a quick buck or two. If they sell, it's usually for a week or two before they get religated to the discount racks at the bookstore.

I also think that Lea is in some danger of looking like she is capitalizing on Cory's passing and using the interest it caused for her own advantage. I can't say if she is doing it deliberately or not, but the Elle shoot paired with the statement of how brave she is in the face of her loss left a bit of a bad taste in my mouth. There's no rule book when it comes to situations like this, but I remember how Michelle Williams handled Heath Ledger's overdosing and they were a lot more a high profile couple than Lea and Cory were (as well as had a child together). I don't recall anyone hinting that she was using the publicity over Heath's death to help her career and it was nearly a year before she began giving any interviews. She remained under the radar, focusing on her work and her daughter. Lea had up until now, I think, managed the balancing act of being respectful of Cory's memory while still fulfilling her professional commitments. But with the PR leading up to the tribute episode (where it started to be less about honoring Cory and more about how remarkable Lea's strength was) and now this... she's starting to wobble. And it's very easy to lose public sympathy when it looks too much like she's using Cory's death for her own gain. Again, I'm not saying that this is what Lea is deliberately doing, but she's starting to push the boundaries.

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