Re: Kurt Hummel Snark & Bark Thread--Part 9

[tanita_mors]

this for me describes the whole season in a nutshell

Lima: 76.2% of the total screen time

NYC: 23.8% of the total screen time

seriously, 75:25 split. what the fling fuck were they thinking.

[Jellyrolls]

I'll never understand the logic of giving guest stars more screen time than regulars, especially when the regulars with less screen time are the ones who garner the most interest in the media, and the most nominations and awards.

And people wonder why everyone except the Blarren stans are unhappy with the way the show went.

[arina]

Finn didn't have any solo in the season 4? Not even 1? It's also big decline considering he used to be lead male singer...

[Ranwing]

I think with Cory that it's a case of him needing to be absent from the show so much in the back end due to his rehab stint. But yeah... to not have a single solo all season is pretty glaring.

And for Kurt to have only two... that is beyond depressing.

[arina]

I am not sure how they counted the screentime for the characters, I know Tina for example had more than in previous season but I don't think she had that much or Artie seemed to be very rarealy present.... they probably counted even the screentime when they just sait in choir room doing nothing and not speaking which I am not sure if it's fair.

[AnneNeville]

Someone on my twitter feed linked to this, and I thought it was worth sharing here:

Blaine:  Total of 34 songs: 8 solos; 15 duets+; 9 group leads; 2 featured

Marley:  Total of 32 songs: 4 solos; 18 duets+; 7 group leads; 3 featured

Sam:  Total of 24 songs: 2 solos; 12 duets+; 7 group leads; 3 featured

Rachel:  Total of 23 songs: 6 solos; 14 duets+; 2 group leads; 1 featured

Jake:  Total of 23 songs: 4 solos; 9 duets+; 8 group leads; 2 featured

Ryder:  Total of 22 songs: 4 solos; 9 duets+; 7 group leads; 2 featured

Brittany:  Total of 16 songs: 2 solos; 9 duets+; 2 group leads; 3 featured

Unique: Total of 15 songs: 0 solos; 10 duets+; 2 group leads; 2 featured

Kurt:  Total of 14 songs: 2 solos; 9 duets+; 0 group leads; 3 featured

Santana:  Total of 13 songs: 4 solos; 5 duets+; 0 group leads; 4 featured

Kitty:  Total of 12 songs: 2 solos; 4 duets+; 3 group leads; 3 featured

Tina: Total of 11 songs: 3 solos; 6 duets+; 0 group leads; 2 featured

Arty:  Total of 11 songs: 2 solos; 2 duets+; 6 group leads; 1 featured

Finn:  Total of 10 songs: 0 solos; 8 duets+; 2 group leads; 0 featured

Will:  Total of 5 songs: 1 solos; 3 duets+; 0 group leads; 1 featured

Brody:  Total of 5 songs: 1 solo; 4 duets+; 0 group leads; 0 featured

Mercedes: Total of 5 songs: 1 solo; 3 duets+; 0 group leads; 1 featured

Joe:  Total of 5 songs: 0 solos; 2 duets+; 2 group leads; 1 featured

Quinn: Total of 4 songs: 1 solo; 2 duets+; 0 group leads; 1 featured

Puck: Total of 4 songs: 0 solos; 4 duets+; 0 group leads; 0 featured

Cassandra:  Total of 4 songs: 2 solos; 2 duets+; 0 group leads; 0 featured

The Warblers: Total of 3 songs: 0 solos; 0 duets+; 0 group leads; 3 featured

Emma:  Total of 3 songs: 0 solos; 2 duets+; 0 group leads; 1 featured

Isabelle:  Total of 3 songs: 0 solos; 3 duets+; 0 group leads; 0 featured

Hunter: Total of 2 song: 1 solos; 0 duets+; 0 group leads; 1 featured

Sue:  Total of 2 songs: 1 solo; 1 duets+; 0 group leads; 0 featured

Mike: Total of 1 song: 0 solos; 1 duet+; 0 group leads; 0 featured

Sebastian: Total of 1 song: 1 solos; 0 duets+; 0 group leads; 0 featured

Adam:  Total of 1 song: 1 solos; 0 duets+; 0 group leads; 0 featured

The Apples:  Total of 1 song: 0 solos; 0 duets+; 0 group leads; 1 featured

Betty:  Total of 1 song: 0 solos; 0 duets+; 0 group leads; 1 featured

Shelby:  Total of 1 song: 0 solos; 1 duet; 0 group leads; 0 featured

Frida:  Total of 2 songs: 2 solos; 0 duets; 0 group leads; 0 featured

The Hoosierdaddies:  Total of 2 songs: 0 solos; 0 duets; 0 group leads; 2 featured

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Cumulative screen time by character in Season 4 (link here)


TOTAL TIME IN SEASON FOUR: 946 minutes, 28 seconds

Lima:  721 minutes, 11 seconds; 76.2% of the total screen time

NYC:  225 minutes, 17 seconds; 23.8% of the total screen time

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Blaine:  275 minutes, 50 seconds; 29.1% of the screen time

Marley:  235 minutes, 25 seconds; 24.9% of the screen time

Jake:  218 minutes, 42 seconds; 23.1% of the screen time

Sam:  214 minutes, 31 seconds; 22.7% of the screen time

Ryder:  200 minutes, 55 seconds; 21.2% of the total screen time

Tina:  191 minutes, 29 seconds; 20.2% of the screen time

Arty:  188 minutes, 14 seconds; 19.9% of the screen time

Rachel:  185 minutes, 41 seconds; 19.6% of the screen time

Brittany:  183 minutes, 25 seconds; 19.4% of the screen time

Kitty:  162 minutes, 37 seconds; 17.2% of the screen time

Kurt:  156 minutes, 53 seconds; 16.6% of the screen time

Finn:  153 minutes, 59 seconds; 16.3% of the screen time

Unique:  150 minutes, 40 seconds; 15.9% of the screen time

Will:  111 minutes, 57 seconds; 11.8% of the screen time

Santana:  87 minutes, 41 seconds; 9.3% of the screen time

Sue:  58 minutes, 8 seconds; 6.1% of the screen time

Brody:  53 minutes, 16 seconds; 5.6% of the screen time

Emma:  35 minutes, 53 seconds; 3.8% of the screen time

source

This statistics is depressing. I can't believe how many obnoxious idiots wrote Blee in the notes again. And they wonder why so many people in the fandom hate Blaine and his stans.  Brittany, Sam, Marley and Jake are not better singers or portrayed by better actors and don't deserve to be higher than Kurt, Santana and Artie in that list as well.

I assumed they were being sarcastic!

[AnneNeville]

I think with Cory that it's a case of him needing to be absent from the show so much in the back end due to his rehab stint. But yeah... to not have a single solo all season is pretty glaring.

And for Kurt to have only two... that is beyond depressing.

He only missed three episodes out of 22 . . . unless he missed filming earlier in the year and we just don't know it.

[AnneNeville]

I am not sure how they counted the screentime for the characters, I know Tina for example had more than in previous season but I don't think she had that much or Artie seemed to be very rarealy present.... they probably counted even the screentime when they just sait in choir room doing nothing and not speaking which I am not sure if it's fair.

They explain their methodology in one of their posts. I think that they counted any time the performer was participating in the song (dancing, singing during big performance numbers) or when they didn't sing, but the song had something to do with their storyline. If they were just sitting the choir room reacting, and the song wasn't about them, they subtracted that time from their total screen time.

[Jellyrolls]

I think with Cory that it's a case of him needing to be absent from the show so much in the back end due to his rehab stint. But yeah... to not have a single solo all season is pretty glaring.

And for Kurt to have only two... that is beyond depressing.

He only missed three episodes out of 22 . . . unless he missed filming earlier in the year and we just don't know it.

He missed a the first two episodes of the beginning, too. Although it's really three, since the third episode, he showed up in the last minute. He may not have even talked in that episode (can't remember now).

[Jellyrolls]

Sue had just 58 minutes?

I know she has always had less screentime than most of the major characters, but to put the Emmy Award winning actress in just 58 minutes the entire season is crazy

[SippyCupofLuv]

Exactly, and you know what's the most ironic about this? We may bitch a lot, but atleast we don't tell people to kill themselves for not liking out fave.

We also don't tend to bully other fandoms on tumblr and Co when they don't agree with our opinion. We also don't spam other # with Blarren pics. We actually stay in our little corner and openly admit to be envious and devastated bitches, who mourn the character of Kurt.

Thank you! I've had to delete a ridiculous amount of crap out of my Kadam tag that I follow because of self-indulgent Klainers who just feel the need to crow about how our ship is dead and that we were idiots wasting our time. It was like having a troop of of baboons with diarrhea coming in to fling feces wherever they please.

I don't care of the Blarren stans want to crawl down his pants and take up permanent residence. Just keep it to their own tags and have the basic decency to respect that not everyone shares their passion for the walking oil slick. And making fun of us for pointing out that his tour hardly sold out, that his bald spot can be spotted from the International Space Station and he should get a sponsorship deal with Spanx doesn't change the fact that he is hardly as amazing as his stans would like to make him out to be.

I'd be happy to ignore Darren and Blaine for the rest of my life if both weren't constantly tied to Kurt and Chris. When the day comes that Chris can do anything professionally outside of Glee without the Blarren stans showing up in pink sunglasses or trying to associate Chris with Darren, I'll be very happy to not need to mention my distaste for Darren.

I'm sorry. I know it's not nice to make of someone for their appearance, but the part in bolded really made laugh. I'm a horrible person.

The thing is, at least for me, there wouldn't be such an urge to mock Blaine/Darren's appearance if we weren't bombarded constantly by his stans and some of the media trying to shove Blaine/Darren as a 'walking sex-dream' down our throats....

.... If they didn't hype him as "the best-looking, most talented, best singer/actor, 'sex-on-legs' heart-throb dreamboat guy on Glee! Or EVA!!!!1111!" and "Everybody loves him!!!!"

If they didn't act like Kurt has been blessed that such an Adonis would deign to look his way, much less bestow the honor of dating him. And how "silly" Kurt is/would be to let such a "dreamboat, perfect boy" go.

If they didn't tear down actors who play characters who are a 'threat' to Klaine/Blaine (Chord, Max. Grant, OLIVER) or Chris himself to reinforce how "lucky" Kurt is to have Blaine (or for the Crisscolfer crazies, how "lucky" Chris is to have Darren.), ironically ALL of whom are more attractive than Blaine/Darren and/or certainly more talented.

(In Grant, Oliver, and Chris' cases, I think the most attractive of the male cast.)


I don't like being told I should love something that I may not even like, especially when the degree of hype exceeds its actual reality. The more extreme the hype the more scrutiny is on it to match it and the further the divide between hype and reality .

"Teenage dream", "heartthrob", "Hottest guy on Glee", "#1 Top 100 Hottest Guy (in After-Elton's "Top 100")"

All this does it make us go "Really? Him? But why?" So we notice the bald spot, and the paunch, and the crazy eyebrows, and just his general averageness . How can we not when he's being deemed SUPERIOR to those who are actually better looking, conventionally or otherwise?

If Blaine(/Darren) had been 'sold' as "just this cute, charming boy" there would be no backlash. And if Kurt/Chris weren't treated like they're Quasimodo in comparison (or in general), we wouldn't be as angry either.

[sheny]

Someone on my twitter feed linked to this, and I thought it was worth sharing here:

Blaine:  Total of 34 songs: 8 solos; 15 duets+; 9 group leads; 2 featured

Marley:  Total of 32 songs: 4 solos; 18 duets+; 7 group leads; 3 featured

Sam:  Total of 24 songs: 2 solos; 12 duets+; 7 group leads; 3 featured

Rachel:  Total of 23 songs: 6 solos; 14 duets+; 2 group leads; 1 featured

Jake:  Total of 23 songs: 4 solos; 9 duets+; 8 group leads; 2 featured

Ryder:  Total of 22 songs: 4 solos; 9 duets+; 7 group leads; 2 featured

Brittany:  Total of 16 songs: 2 solos; 9 duets+; 2 group leads; 3 featured

Unique: Total of 15 songs: 0 solos; 10 duets+; 2 group leads; 2 featured

Kurt:  Total of 14 songs: 2 solos; 9 duets+; 0 group leads; 3 featured

Santana:  Total of 13 songs: 4 solos; 5 duets+; 0 group leads; 4 featured

Kitty:  Total of 12 songs: 2 solos; 4 duets+; 3 group leads; 3 featured

Tina: Total of 11 songs: 3 solos; 6 duets+; 0 group leads; 2 featured

Arty:  Total of 11 songs: 2 solos; 2 duets+; 6 group leads; 1 featured

...

source

This statistics is depressing. I can't believe how many obnoxious idiots wrote Blee in the notes again. And they wonder why so many people in the fandom hate Blaine and his stans.  Brittany, Sam, Marley and Jake are not better singers or portrayed by better actors and don't deserve to be higher than Kurt, Santana and Artie in that list as well.

I assumed they were being sarcastic!

No it wasn't sarcasm. I checked their blogs they were Blaine/Darren stans.

[ColdFlame96]

Darren isn't bad, but I think that most of the Glee guys are better looking than he is. I used to think Chord was incredibly cute, but lately, he's been looking more and more greasy and he aged very quickly even though he's one of the youngest in the cast. But I think Grant, Kevin, and Chris are all far more attractive than him. And I prefer Cory, Harry, and even Samuel as well. Damian was pretty adorable and kind of reminded me of Chris.

[ColferInspired]

Exactly, and you know what's the most ironic about this? We may bitch a lot, but atleast we don't tell people to kill themselves for not liking out fave.

We also don't tend to bully other fandoms on tumblr and Co when they don't agree with our opinion. We also don't spam other # with Blarren pics. We actually stay in our little corner and openly admit to be envious and devastated bitches, who mourn the character of Kurt.

Thank you! I've had to delete a ridiculous amount of crap out of my Kadam tag that I follow because of self-indulgent Klainers who just feel the need to crow about how our ship is dead and that we were idiots wasting our time. It was like having a troop of of baboons with diarrhea coming in to fling feces wherever they please.

I don't care of the Blarren stans want to crawl down his pants and take up permanent residence. Just keep it to their own tags and have the basic decency to respect that not everyone shares their passion for the walking oil slick. And making fun of us for pointing out that his tour hardly sold out, that his bald spot can be spotted from the International Space Station and he should get a sponsorship deal with Spanx doesn't change the fact that he is hardly as amazing as his stans would like to make him out to be.

I'd be happy to ignore Darren and Blaine for the rest of my life if both weren't constantly tied to Kurt and Chris. When the day comes that Chris can do anything professionally outside of Glee without the Blarren stans showing up in pink sunglasses or trying to associate Chris with Darren, I'll be very happy to not need to mention my distaste for Darren.

I'm sorry. I know it's not nice to make of someone for their appearance, but the part in bolded really made laugh. I'm a horrible person.

The thing is, at least for me, there wouldn't be such an urge to mock Blaine/Darren's appearance if we weren't bombarded constantly by his stans and some of the media trying to shove Blaine/Darren as a 'walking sex-dream' down our throats....

.... If they didn't hype him as "the best-looking, most talented, best singer/actor, 'sex-on-legs' heart-throb dreamboat guy on Glee! Or EVA!!!!1111!" and "Everybody loves him!!!!"

If they didn't act like Kurt has been blessed that such an Adonis would deign to look his way, much less bestow the honor of dating him. And how "silly" Kurt is/would be to let such a "dreamboat, perfect boy" go.

If they didn't tear down actors who play characters who are a 'threat' to Klaine/Blaine (Chord, Max. Grant, OLIVER) or Chris himself to reinforce how "lucky" Kurt is to have Blaine (or for the Crisscolfer crazies, how "lucky" Chris is to have Darren.), ironically ALL of whom are more attractive than Blaine/Darren and/or certainly more talented.

(In Grant, Oliver, and Chris' cases, I think the most attractive of the male cast.)


I don't like being told I should love something that I may not even like, especially when the degree of hype exceeds its actual reality. The more extreme the hype the more scrutiny is on it to match it and the further the divide between hype and reality .

"Teenage dream", "heartthrob", "Hottest guy on Glee", "#1 Top 100 Hottest Guy (in After-Elton's "Top 100")"

All this does it make us go "Really? Him? But why?" So we notice the bald spot, and the paunch, and the crazy eyebrows, and just his general averageness . How can we not when he's being deemed SUPERIOR to those who are actually better looking, conventionally or otherwise?

If Blaine(/Darren) had been 'sold' as "just this cute, charming boy" there would be no backlash. And if Kurt/Chris weren't treated like they're Quasimodo in comparison (or in general), we wouldn't be as angry either.

I agree.

It's was my form of retaliation, because I used to read criticism about Kurt/Chris. Darren at one time was seen as untouchable, no-one criticised him.

The Blarren stans just kept pushing, I was one person that had enough. But now I am indifferent to them as they really aren't that many as their used to be.

Like the other day some silly Blarren stan posted in the Chris Colfer tag that Chris kept messing things up so he could keep kissing Darren. I think she had nine notes, then down the bottom in some elses post was the kiss they shot, and in the other gif Chris wiping his mouth on his sleeve.  

I would love to thank the person that filmed that.

Sweat, spit, don't care what it was. 

One of my favourite video's from that day.

[Lottie2303]

Darren isn't bad, but I think that most of the Glee guys are better looking than he is. I used to think Chord was incredibly cute, but lately, he's been looking more and more greasy and he aged very quickly even though he's one of the youngest in the cast. But I think Grant, Kevin, and Chris are all far more attractive than him. And I prefer Cory, Harry, and even Samuel as well. Damian was pretty adorable and kind of reminded me of Chris.

Look is in the eye of the beholder. We cannot "judge" someone, because they find Darren attractive. We also cannot judge anyone who do not find Chris attractive. Nothing wrong with either, as long as we don't attack each other. Different strokes for different folks.

However, I can judge acting abilities just by watching the show. Darren and Chord are part of the lesser talented ones. Melissa and Jenna do not really have a spark. I'd say Jenna is popular because she is an original. Chris and Kevin are part of the best male, kid actor. Naya and Lea among the female actors. It is beyond me why the NYC got so neglected and dismissed as FOX dismissed therefore their powerhouses. It still makes no sense.

[Ranwing]

When you look at all of their award nominated and winning talent, they've all had their screen time dramatically reduced. That really speaks volumes about the priorities of the show last season. They shoved the third tier talent into the lead roles (Darren, Chord, Heather), signed a bunch of new performers and gave them a huge amount of time and ended up with a show that has squandered all of their critical prestige and commerical profitability. Glee went from a show that could easily count on a dozen nominations during the awards season to one that is routinely shut out.

[SippyCupofLuv]

^But there is a difference between a picture of Darren and Chris together every now and then (and granted: the Kiss was hot news), and an entire tag constantly being spammed with that same picture with captions like "Klaine4eva!!!" and 'Crisscolfer is on, bitches!!!1!!" and on top of that a lot of other pictures of that other actor when it has got nothing to do with Chris.
The kiss picture belonged in the tag, but not a thousand times reblogged, and as soon as it went from 'Chris Colfer news' to flailing over Klaine and CrissColfer it should have been limited to only those ships' tags.

I agree that there are many nice and not intrusive Klainers out there who know how to tag properly (although I think that when you reblog a post/picture you shouldn't reblog it in the same tag over and over again), but come on:
It was very easy to see that the Klainers used the tagging system to gloat that they 'won'. It's quite irritating when it's in the Chris Colfer tag, but when on top of that you see it and several bullying assholes' posts in almost any other Glee tag you visit, most inappropiately in 'opposition' tags like Kadam, it becomes downright insulting and infuriating. And childish to boot.
There just is no safe haven anymore for people who don't like to see Blarren all the time, especially not after what many Kurtsies consider bad Glee news (involving Blaine). It has to do with respect.

I think you also have to consider that besides these Klaine kiss pictures and gifs flooding the tag repeatedly yesterday, there is usually already a lot of Klaine/Blaine/Darren/CrissColfer stuff in the tag that is not properly tagged, like manips, endless Klaine flailing gifsets, wacky conspiracy theories, and comparison pics (of Chris and Darren in different/seperate pics, so not in the same pic) delusionally comparing the way they sit, their clothes and (yesterda) their sunglasses to prove they are 'soulmates'. And ha, the 'disappointed' fans of Chris, who are with only 1 exception (Kerrie) Darren stans.  

The few innocent and genuine fans who post 1 or 2 real Darren+Chris pics every once in a while are just a tiny blip compared to that obnoxious and almost bullying behaviour of the immature asshole Klainers clogging an actor's tag.
So sorry for those well meaning few decent Klaine/Darren+Chris fans, but enough is enough, and the Chris Colfer tag got way more than enough.  

This is why people get really angry and look for safe spaces to talk.

This is the shit that I find damn hilarious. Blarren fans are so threatened by a character that appeared for a whopping two episodes and that NOBODY- not even the most ardent Kurt stans- ever thought would be "endgame", that they continually harass Kadam fans and even Oliver himself.

God forbid, someone tweet something positive, like "Hope to see Adam back on Glee" to OKJ or RIB. There will always be Blaine stans ready to jump on with a "Heaven forbid!! Most fans want Klaine4eva!!"  It's like they're so paranoid they look for any little thing that could be considered a threat to Blaine/Darren's standing and pile on the minute they smell a potential "threat".

They wanna cry that people make fun of Darren's bald spot and how wrong and hateful that is, but the first time I ever saw it mentioned was after a bunch of Klainers were making fun of Oliver going on and on about how "old and creepy" he looked. Now, I don't condone making fun of something a guy can't help, this is a classic example of how Darren's fans can dish it, but they can't take it.  Don't have a field day running down somebody else's appearance and then think that Darren's is beyond scrutiny.

THIS.

This!

Also, there's a difference between WHY posts questionably tagged that are non-Klaine/CC/Blaine/Darren and those that are in the reaction to them.

Fans aren't going to get as pissed (or at all) at a HummelBerry/Cochele pic because the tag ISN'T being constantly spammed with them AND the poster isn't doing it as some 'attack' or passive-aggressive fit or 'conversion attempt' (I swear, Blarren stans are like the freaki' Borg "Assimilate or DIE!!!!1!!")

INTENT makes a huge difference, as does past history/behavior with certain groups vs others.

I'm reminded of a game some Kurt fans liked to play back during S2: 'Is there a tag we WON'T find Blaine/Darren in?' (aka "How absolutely absurd can we be in looking for a tag that is Blaine/Darren-free? (even though we know such a tag doesn't exist)")

Tags where Darren/Blaine posts were found:

'Lady Gaga', 'Cupcake', 'Pencils', 'Watermelon'...

(there were others, but those stood out after 2+ years.) (Hey, maybe we should resurrect the game. Could be both fun and further sink our faith in humanity.)

THAT'S why they get called out more than anyone else.

[Buenos]

Well the good thing is I doubt that McKinley will get 75% this year, though in reality down the stretch they actually got more. I read another analysis which showed the first 4 episodes of the season were 50/50 and that after that the only prominent NY screentime was Swan Song, so the methodology doesn't quite convey how McKinley heavy the show turned in the last half of the season.

Regardless it's over with and I do expect changes this year.

[arina]

I just hope that bigger screentime for New York won't be only because Blaine will be there... i have to confess that I'll rather see less New York withouth Blaine than alot of New York full of Blaine's solos and Klaine stuff.

On the other hand I cannot wait for Artie coming to New York, I really hope he will get some storyline with Kurt

[Jellyrolls]

Darren isn't bad, but I think that most of the Glee guys are better looking than he is. I used to think Chord was incredibly cute, but lately, he's been looking more and more greasy and he aged very quickly even though he's one of the youngest in the cast. But I think Grant, Kevin, and Chris are all far more attractive than him. And I prefer Cory, Harry, and even Samuel as well. Damian was pretty adorable and kind of reminded me of Chris.

Look is in the eye of the beholder. We cannot "judge" someone, because they find Darren attractive. We also cannot judge anyone who do not find Chris attractive. Nothing wrong with either, as long as we don't attack each other. Different strokes for different folks.

However, I can judge acting abilities just by watching the show. Darren and Chord are part of the lesser talented ones. Melissa and Jenna do not really have a spark. I'd say Jenna is popular because she is an original. Chris and Kevin are part of the best male, kid actor. Naya and Lea among the female actors. It is beyond me why the NYC got so neglected and dismissed as FOX dismissed therefore their powerhouses. It still makes no sense.

Looks are definitely subjective. Not everyone is going to find everyone attractive. But the difference between us and the Blarren stans is that we get that fact. We get that not everyone is going to find Chris, Oliver, Grant, Darren, whoever attractive, and that's OK. The Blarren stans don't think it's OK that people don't find Darren attractive--they have to cut the others down and bombard people with pictures of Blarren to see what they see him instead of just letting people like what they like.

See the paragraph above? reread it and replace attractive/looks with talent.

I don't really care about Darren at all. Even during the discussions about his bald spot, I don't really care that he has one. The thing that I find amusing about it is the fact that Darren, Ryan's pet, is the one with the bald spot, and Ryan was the one who said no one wants to see a high schooler with a bald spot. Heck, I even said that I thought it was great that Darren didn't seem to be too bothered by it because he doesn't do things to try to hide it when he is not in the gelmet (i.e. he doesn't wear a hat, or try to comb his hair a certain way to cover it).

My main issue with Darren is really that the powers that be have chose to put him in a position on the show that he does not have the talent to handle, and it has been at the expense of several characters who are much more talented (as proven by the critical acclaim, award nominations and wins, and general high level media attention the others get). And I do think that being attached at the hip to Blarren has been detrimental for both Chris, and Kurt (who before Blarren were the most celebrated actor and character on the show)

[AnneNeville]

I think with Cory that it's a case of him needing to be absent from the show so much in the back end due to his rehab stint. But yeah... to not have a single solo all season is pretty glaring.

And for Kurt to have only two... that is beyond depressing.

He only missed three episodes out of 22 . . . unless he missed filming earlier in the year and we just don't know it.

He missed a the first two episodes of the beginning, too.  Although it's really three, since the third episode, he showed up in the last minute.  He may not have even talked in that episode (can't remember now).  

Yeah, but I meant that he only missed three because of being in rehab/having drug problems, unless he lost screen time or songs earlier in the year for the same reason...

[valkeakuulas]

Well it's Blee *itches! (Quoting quite many Blarren fans there.) We just don't like that particular direction but I don't know how further they can physically take Blee. 29% is a lot.

Financially interested person in me wonders if Darren gets paid the most since he does most of the work?

[AnneNeville]

Well it's Blee *itches! (Quoting quite many Blarren fans there.) We just don't like that particular direction but I don't know how further they can physically take Blee. 29% is a lot.

Financially interested person in me wonders if Darren gets paid the most since he does most of the work?

Nope.

ETA: I think I read that his contract this year has him receiving more than he did in the past.

But for "regulars" (ie, those credited as regulars), they get paid a fixed amount for every episode of the season, whether they appear or not. IE, Amber was paid for every episode last year, I believe. 22.

I think of the kids, Chris and Lea had the highest per episode salary (right?), followed, perhaps, by Cory? And Darren just got an increase in his pay rate?

That's why it's a big deal that they demoted so many of the originals from regular to guest this year, and made so many of the newbies regulars. All those newbies will now get paid for every episode, appear in them or not, but they will be paid a lot less than Amber, Mark, etc. were being paid for NOT appearing.

[Glorfindel]

The thing is, at least for me, there wouldn't be such an urge to mock Blaine/Darren's appearance if we weren't bombarded constantly by his stans and some of the media trying to shove Blaine/Darren as a 'walking sex-dream' down our throats....

.... If they didn't hype him as "the best-looking, most talented, best singer/actor, 'sex-on-legs' heart-throb dreamboat guy on Glee! Or EVA!!!!1111!" and "Everybody loves him!!!!"

If they didn't act like Kurt has been blessed that such an Adonis would deign to look his way, much less bestow the honor of dating him. And how "silly" Kurt is/would be to let such a "dreamboat, perfect boy" go.

If they didn't tear down actors who play characters who are a 'threat' to Klaine/Blaine (Chord, Max. Grant, OLIVER) or Chris himself to reinforce how "lucky" Kurt is to have Blaine (or for the Crisscolfer crazies, how "lucky" Chris is to have Darren.), ironically ALL of whom are more attractive than Blaine/Darren and/or certainly more talented.

(In Grant, Oliver, and Chris' cases, I think the most attractive of the male cast.)


I don't like being told I should love something that I may not even like, especially when the degree of hype exceeds its actual reality. The more extreme the hype the more scrutiny is on it to match it and the further the divide between hype and reality .

"Teenage dream", "heartthrob", "Hottest guy on Glee", "#1 Top 100 Hottest Guy (in After-Elton's "Top 100")"

All this does it make us go "Really? Him? But why?" So we notice the bald spot, and the paunch, and the crazy eyebrows, and just his general averageness . How can we not when he's being deemed SUPERIOR to those who are actually better looking, conventionally or otherwise?

If Blaine(/Darren) had been 'sold' as "just this cute, charming boy" there would be no backlash. And if Kurt/Chris weren't treated like they're Quasimodo in comparison (or in general), we wouldn't be as angry either.

Basically, yes. There is a lot of frustration towards Blaine, a little bit to Darren, and especially towards his many obnoxious fans, and then it's no wonder that people start to retaliate and gladly break down the illusions these bullies try to shove down our throats.

I'd like to add that the mocking of the bald spot is mainly due to 2 frustrations from Kurtsies and many other Glee fans:
1) Blarren stans constantly were tearing down the looks of other actors that interact with Kurt in the show, most recently Oliver, who was deemed to old looking for Kurt: and therefore Darren's bald spot was used to counteract that.
2) The school year of the seniors in season 4 was pushed over into season 5 to keep those few characters like Blaine in high school, when Ryan Murphy specifically stated last season that they couldn't extend the season 3 graduates' senior year because "Noone wants to see a high school kid with a bald spot". I mean: that's just asking for it, right?

Also, there's a difference between WHY posts questionably tagged that are non-Klaine/CC/Blaine/Darren and those that are in the reaction to them.

Fans aren't going to get as pissed (or at all) at a HummelBerry/Cochele pic because the tag ISN'T being constantly spammed with them AND the poster isn't doing it as some 'attack' or passive-aggressive fit or 'conversion attempt' (I swear, Blarren stans are like the freaki' Borg "Assimilate or DIE!!!!1!!")

INTENT makes a huge difference, as does past history/behavior with certain groups vs others.

I'm reminded of a game some Kurt fans liked to play back during S2: 'Is there a tag we WON'T find Blaine/Darren in?' (aka "How absolutely absurd can we be in looking for a tag that is Blaine/Darren-free? (even though we know such a tag doesn't exist)")

Tags where Darren/Blaine posts were found:

'Lady Gaga', 'Cupcake', 'Pencils', 'Watermelon'...

(there were others, but those stood out after 2+ years.) (Hey, maybe we should resurrect the game. Could be both fun and further sink our faith in humanity.)

THAT'S why they get called out more than anyone else.

I have seen so many times fans from other fandoms, like Harry Potter, Broadway-related forums, Freddy Mercury and others, make posts about the Blarren stans flooding their tags as well.
And there are also many irritated comments under youtube videos of original artists whenever Blee covers one of their songs and comments appear that "Darren sings this so much better" and such.

And LMAO: comparing them to the Borg is right on the spot!
"Resistence is futile."  They are parasites.  


(disclaimer: not the good ones of course, and I'm sorry they are getting dragged into this.)

[Buenos]

This year is going to be interesting.  

FOX renewed the show for 2 years with declining ratings so it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out they got something out of that exchange with Ryan Murphy.

That's why it's a big deal that they demoted so many of the originals from regular to guest this year, and made so many of the newbies regulars. All those newbies will now get paid for every episode, appear in them or not, but they will be paid a lot less than Amber, Mark, etc. were being paid for NOT appearing.

Yup.  Everyone knew that after a year of limited appearances there was no way they were going to let Amber, Mark,Dianna, etc continue as Regulars.  Jayma is no longer a regular, Heather I"m sure will be classified guest star  shortly and Cory sadly is gone.

I don't mind the Newbies getting regular status, they need them for appearances throughout the year.

The big question is will they get as much as they got last year.  I mean, will the show make Marley, Jake and Ryder sing more than Rachel and have more screen time then Rachel and Kurt.

Glee is flying blind at this point.  Matt appeared to be on his way out.   I think Ryan Murphy delayed graduation because he needed time to figure things out, they came up with some blueprint but than completely unexpected you had Cory's death so whatever they had mapped  out went out the window.

Glee is an anomaly because it hasn't followed the pattern, both planned and unplanned, of practically any previous hit Network show.   Someone refresh my memory, but I can't recall a show reducing the screen time of their stars in favor of Newbies while the stars were still featured as regulars on the show.  It's just bizarre.  It's not as if Lea got pregnant or ill, or Chris had a movie project for which he was going to take a long hiatus from the show.  My guess is that Lea and Chris' (if she's up to it) part time gig on  Glee  is over.   Cory's death impacts  Rachel's overall storyline, but I think it impacts McKinley alot more than NY.  With Cory and Heather both gone on the McKinley side  it's not going to be the same.

The fact that not one of the Newbies is featured on the Glee's DVD cover doesn't convey that FOX is all that convinced of their overall marketing pull.

The fans are pretty much split into factions to a degree they never were before.

Everything is just so odd.

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