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Songs are out -
Here's At The Ballet (the only one I'm interested in):
Here's At The Ballet (the only one I'm interested in):
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It sounds like 20 is really a Santana story, so I guess I am not surprised with how much she got. A traditional broadway singer she ain't. I have actually read several people saying they weren't huge fans of her part. I feel like I am missing something because I thought she sounded fine, but not overwhelming.
SJP was good. I didn't get to Lea because after realizing how little Chris was going to get, I stopped listening. This show.
While we are at it, I am not fond of the choice of song for him next week. I have always hated YATSOML and its syrupy insipidness. It feels like a 'Ben' moment. Why does Chris get so many terrible songs to sing?
SJP was good. I didn't get to Lea because after realizing how little Chris was going to get, I stopped listening. This show.
While we are at it, I am not fond of the choice of song for him next week. I have always hated YATSOML and its syrupy insipidness. It feels like a 'Ben' moment. Why does Chris get so many terrible songs to sing?
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bayth wrote:Songs are out -
Here's At The Ballet (the only one I'm interested in):
This is basically Santana/Isabelle duet. Why I am even surprised? Kurt and Rachel have like 2 lines each. But of course they're always is the possibility of those two line being cut out from the episode.
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Sometimes my inner paranoid gets the feeling that they don't want Chris overshadowing other people. So they give them lots of scenes, Kurt a few. They give them lots of songs, and Kurt's are few. When Kurt does a duet, the other partner gets more of the song. When Kurt is in a song with several other people, he gets a line or so. Waitasecond. If they are really out to get you, you aren't paranoid, so if they really aren't giving Chris much of anything, perhaps they are afraid of him showing them up.
You fix that by partnering Chris with someone whom he doesn't overshadow, like Oliver. Just FYI RIB.
You fix that by partnering Chris with someone whom he doesn't overshadow, like Oliver. Just FYI RIB.
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Ireth wrote:ColferGirl wrote:You know what kind of annoys me....
In the promo for 4x20, there's a scene of Blaine at an aerobics class. I know it's part of his plot to get Sue back (although the sheer amount of Blaine there will be in the final three episodes alone is irritating), but my point is that there's a sex riot going on on tumblr because of those brief shots of him in that aerobics class.
I know there was a sex riot of sorts for when we saw Kurt in his own aerobics/exercise moment in 4x17 (especially because we saw more of Chris's skin than ever before). But I hate the blatant objectification of Blaine/Darren's body on this show, over and over. His aerobics scene is deliberately more "stylized" and "sexy", while Kurt's was deliberately quirky and cuter and not meant to be as flattering (thus it's his guilty secret). It feels like just another slight against Kurt in the on-going Blaine vs. Kurt portrayal comparison game.....even if it's not what the writers intended - in their minds the two ways the characters are seen exercising probably has no comparative connection at all - but I still see it and it bothers me. The show's frequent camera shots of Blaine's butt and other blatant objectification moments of him make it even worse (like the unnecessary shower scene during Fighter back in season 3).
Not that I want Kurt to be all about sexiness and objectification, I don't, I love that he's a character of substance. But I wish that the writers/camera people would let up a little on their Blaine-glorification. I know it's great for his fans and they should feel free to squee over those objectifying scenes all they want, but for those of us not so fond of Blaine, it's pretty tiring when it happens so frequently.....
Sorry, had to get this complaint off my chest....
At least we're finally going to get a new Kurt/Isabelle scene next week! And hopefully we'll get at least two of them, not just one. The brief Hummelberry moment looked super cute as well. Finally an episode to look forward to.
I can't wait to hear At the Ballet on Sunday night, especially since they recorded the full version! And seeing it performed next Thursday.
We're mind twins. This is exactly what I felt while watching the promo but you wrote it much better than I would have.
If that picture Patty Duke tweeted was in Breadstix, please don't tell me that it was a fancy date where Blaine plans to propose. Because that means Kurt agreed to go on a date with Blaine before Blaine tries to make amends for what he did, and Adam is now not in the picture .
Everyone seems to go to Breadstix for whatever purpose. Besides, Breadstix is probably right on the other side of the choir room on the sound stage--and right across from the Lima Bean.
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Divalicious wrote:Sometimes my inner paranoid gets the feeling that they don't want Chris overshadowing other people. So they give them lots of scenes, Kurt a few. They give them lots of songs, and Kurt's are few. When Kurt does a duet, the other partner gets more of the song. When Kurt is in a song with several other people, he gets a line or so. Waitasecond. If they are really out to get you, you aren't paranoid, so if they really aren't giving Chris much of anything, perhaps they are afraid of him showing them up.
You fix that by partnering Chris with someone whom he doesn't overshadow, like Oliver. Just FYI RIB.
Their problem is when Chris shows up for 90 seconds and makes munching on a damn cookie funnier and more entertaining than about 98% of the rest of the episode, it only highlights how easily he can "pull focus" and overshadow those characters RIB seem so interested in shoving down everyone's throat.
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opals wrote:Divalicious wrote:Sometimes my inner paranoid gets the feeling that they don't want Chris overshadowing other people. So they give them lots of scenes, Kurt a few. They give them lots of songs, and Kurt's are few. When Kurt does a duet, the other partner gets more of the song. When Kurt is in a song with several other people, he gets a line or so. Waitasecond. If they are really out to get you, you aren't paranoid, so if they really aren't giving Chris much of anything, perhaps they are afraid of him showing them up.
You fix that by partnering Chris with someone whom he doesn't overshadow, like Oliver. Just FYI RIB.
Their problem is when Chris shows up for 90 seconds and makes munching on a damn cookie funnier and more entertaining than about 98% of the rest of the episode, it only highlights how easily he can "pull focus" and overshadow those characters RIB seem so interested in shoving down everyone's throat.
Agreed. They might as well give in to the inevitable and showcase him.
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I'm really upset that Chris is barely on At The Ballet. Tearing-up upset.
He's only getting 13 songs TOTAL this season. Of those, he's had 3 solos (I personally count BHH as a solo). 3 duets, all with Blaine. And the others were all group numbers, and most of those - The Scientist, Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas, At the Ballet, We've Got Tonight, Don't Speak - had only three solo lines or only ONE line for him, while the others he never even got the lion's share of the song.
I'm so angry and sad and horrified and devastated. I don't understand why the writers are doing this. Other Glee fans give Kurt fans shit for always being upset and disappointed and negative but we have every reason to be and I wish we didn't, I'm so tired of how his character is mistreated and how Chris has been mistreated this season. Kurt fans aren't asking a lot. But we barely even get scraps now.....of screentime, of story, or even of songs. I'm tired of always feeling upset and let down.....
He's only getting 13 songs TOTAL this season. Of those, he's had 3 solos (I personally count BHH as a solo). 3 duets, all with Blaine. And the others were all group numbers, and most of those - The Scientist, Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas, At the Ballet, We've Got Tonight, Don't Speak - had only three solo lines or only ONE line for him, while the others he never even got the lion's share of the song.
I'm so angry and sad and horrified and devastated. I don't understand why the writers are doing this. Other Glee fans give Kurt fans shit for always being upset and disappointed and negative but we have every reason to be and I wish we didn't, I'm so tired of how his character is mistreated and how Chris has been mistreated this season. Kurt fans aren't asking a lot. But we barely even get scraps now.....of screentime, of story, or even of songs. I'm tired of always feeling upset and let down.....
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I like the song actually. I love Naya's voice, so that is a plus.
However, they really have to stop promoting it as a quartet, when in all actuality it is a duet with a bit of Lea and Chris. Not just this time around, bit with every song.
I have no I idea about his dismissal usage in S4. I cannot grasp my head around the fact that a Golden Globe winning, fan favorite with a very, very dedicated fanbase is so incredible sidelined. Maybe for a few seconds, but eventually Glee caught on about the complaints. There is a reason he is used on all marketing materials.
It is obvious NYC got reduced screentime in order to prop MK and they knew, the new kids never have a chance, by fully using NYC. But just the fact that they rather created new characters (they could have done the same just based in NYC), instead of continue developing their old ones in a completely new environment, is lubricious.
Are they really that confident that his fanbase will stick around? Transform him even more into a prop and I am out, because I rather say 'goodbye' to Kurt then watch his disintegration of being shell of his former self. I really want to have a talk with Chris about his thoughts. He cannot agree with this. I cannot believe he is happy about this poor treatment to him as actor and Kurt as character.
However, they really have to stop promoting it as a quartet, when in all actuality it is a duet with a bit of Lea and Chris. Not just this time around, bit with every song.
I have no I idea about his dismissal usage in S4. I cannot grasp my head around the fact that a Golden Globe winning, fan favorite with a very, very dedicated fanbase is so incredible sidelined. Maybe for a few seconds, but eventually Glee caught on about the complaints. There is a reason he is used on all marketing materials.
It is obvious NYC got reduced screentime in order to prop MK and they knew, the new kids never have a chance, by fully using NYC. But just the fact that they rather created new characters (they could have done the same just based in NYC), instead of continue developing their old ones in a completely new environment, is lubricious.
Are they really that confident that his fanbase will stick around? Transform him even more into a prop and I am out, because I rather say 'goodbye' to Kurt then watch his disintegration of being shell of his former self. I really want to have a talk with Chris about his thoughts. He cannot agree with this. I cannot believe he is happy about this poor treatment to him as actor and Kurt as character.
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I love the song itself a lot so I thought as a whole they did a good job. I just hated the one little glitch of voice Naya brought from modern power ballads at the first verse.
A small part of me is still relived that Kurt doesn't have a major part in this because for awhile I thought this song could be the beginning of throwing Burt under the bus, since this song is about your parents marriage being shit, essentially. And Kurt would be at the start of the road where Burt turns out to be something else, a bad guy, when Kurt's mom is considered. (I'm still afraid they'll do this during Blaine/Burt interaction and blind-side Kurt together!)
I would love to have heard more Kurt in this one, but I have learned better: I'll settle if they give Chris more acting with Naya and SJP in this episode, because even that side is sorely lacking after two episodes.
A small part of me is still relived that Kurt doesn't have a major part in this because for awhile I thought this song could be the beginning of throwing Burt under the bus, since this song is about your parents marriage being shit, essentially. And Kurt would be at the start of the road where Burt turns out to be something else, a bad guy, when Kurt's mom is considered. (I'm still afraid they'll do this during Blaine/Burt interaction and blind-side Kurt together!)
I would love to have heard more Kurt in this one, but I have learned better: I'll settle if they give Chris more acting with Naya and SJP in this episode, because even that side is sorely lacking after two episodes.
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Basically this.opals wrote:Divalicious wrote:Sometimes my inner paranoid gets the feeling that they don't want Chris overshadowing other people. So they give them lots of scenes, Kurt a few. They give them lots of songs, and Kurt's are few. When Kurt does a duet, the other partner gets more of the song. When Kurt is in a song with several other people, he gets a line or so. Waitasecond. If they are really out to get you, you aren't paranoid, so if they really aren't giving Chris much of anything, perhaps they are afraid of him showing them up.
You fix that by partnering Chris with someone whom he doesn't overshadow, like Oliver. Just FYI RIB.
Their problem is when Chris shows up for 90 seconds and makes munching on a damn cookie funnier and more entertaining than about 98% of the rest of the episode, it only highlights how easily he can "pull focus" and overshadow those characters RIB seem so interested in shoving down everyone's throat.
They know what they've got with Chris, they are just not willing to let him be the star over at least 5 more 'alpha' male type of mediocre jock guys. They have tried to push Darren, Chord, Dean and Blake while shoving Chris to the background, so these more 'acceptable' guys would become stars this season, and none of it worked. But they'll be damned if they let the gay and gradually becoming independent kid be the star he rightfully became on his own anyway, without much help of TPTB.
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At The Ballet:
- The harmonies are lovely: they blend together well, it reminds me of ‘How Will I Know’.
- Though I like Naya’s voice in general, I don’t think she has got a Broadway voice and I don’t like her in this song.
- Love SJP’s voice in 'At The Ballet', her singing and her acting.
- Not enough Lea and Chris, and I’m still waiting for another Hummelberry duet: they sound so nice together in the harmonies.
I expected little Kurt in 'At The Ballet', so I'm not that upset (of course I hate the lack of Kurt singing in season 4 in general). How ironic that he's literally doo-wopping in the background, but damn: how beautiful are his "Doo-doo-doo"s?
So much wasted potential this season.
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The rest of the songs: link
Everybody Hurts:
Good vocals, nicely sung. Not so fond of the ‘acapella’ arrangement: the guitar picking and percussion are dry and annoying, while the violins in comparison are too rich.
For The Longest Time:
I personally wished for more Kevin and Becca. I normally like group numbers and more even divides of vocals, but in this song it feels there are too many singers singing solo.
The “Time” parts of Melissa are not fitting, imo, nor her improvisations at the end.
Little Girls:
Jane has improved her voice so much! This is very well sung and well acted. She’ll do great on Broadway.
You’ve Lost That Loving Feeling:
Nothing can compare to the original (Righteous Brothers), but that’s a curse Glee often faces. Still, I like the Glee version. I think Blake’s voice is richer than Chord’s more hazy voice, but mixed together this has a very nice effect.
We Will Rock You:
Great rendition of Queen’s ‘We Will Rock You’. The acoustic arrangement is done very well.
Again: wish it had only been Kevin singing the solo parts.
A very decent episode, music wise.
- The harmonies are lovely: they blend together well, it reminds me of ‘How Will I Know’.
- Though I like Naya’s voice in general, I don’t think she has got a Broadway voice and I don’t like her in this song.
- Love SJP’s voice in 'At The Ballet', her singing and her acting.
- Not enough Lea and Chris, and I’m still waiting for another Hummelberry duet: they sound so nice together in the harmonies.
I expected little Kurt in 'At The Ballet', so I'm not that upset (of course I hate the lack of Kurt singing in season 4 in general). How ironic that he's literally doo-wopping in the background, but damn: how beautiful are his "Doo-doo-doo"s?
So much wasted potential this season.
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The rest of the songs: link
Everybody Hurts:
Good vocals, nicely sung. Not so fond of the ‘acapella’ arrangement: the guitar picking and percussion are dry and annoying, while the violins in comparison are too rich.
For The Longest Time:
I personally wished for more Kevin and Becca. I normally like group numbers and more even divides of vocals, but in this song it feels there are too many singers singing solo.
The “Time” parts of Melissa are not fitting, imo, nor her improvisations at the end.
Little Girls:
Jane has improved her voice so much! This is very well sung and well acted. She’ll do great on Broadway.
You’ve Lost That Loving Feeling:
Nothing can compare to the original (Righteous Brothers), but that’s a curse Glee often faces. Still, I like the Glee version. I think Blake’s voice is richer than Chord’s more hazy voice, but mixed together this has a very nice effect.
We Will Rock You:
Great rendition of Queen’s ‘We Will Rock You’. The acoustic arrangement is done very well.
Again: wish it had only been Kevin singing the solo parts.
A very decent episode, music wise.
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opals wrote:
Their problem is when Chris shows up for 90 seconds and makes munching on a damn cookie funnier and more entertaining than about 98% of the rest of the episode, it only highlights how easily he can "pull focus" and overshadow those characters RIB seem so interested in shoving down everyone's throat.
Exactly. He's able to pull focus even doing something like eating a cookie nervously in the background, because it shows how naturally he's acting. He's not someone who's gonna stay there like a wooden, and that what people notice and comment. So is kinda ironic that RIB is trying to throwing in our faces these new boys every week, but the one who still gets attention, either he's doing little things in the background or people realizing his lack of screen time, is Kurt
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You know, RIBV must hate it that Chris eating a cookie like a chipmunk gets more attention than the entire cast of newbies combined during the entire season. So much about creating their own stars.
It would be hilarious if the background and shortage of Kurt wouldn’t be so sad.
It would be hilarious if the background and shortage of Kurt wouldn’t be so sad.
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Lottie2303 wrote:
Are they really that confident that his fanbase will stick around? Transform him even more into a prop and I am out, because I rather say 'goodbye' to Kurt then watch his disintegration of being shell of his former self. I really want to have a talk with Chris about his thoughts. He cannot agree with this. I cannot believe he is happy about this poor treatment to him as actor and Kurt as character.
I wish I knew! I'm at the point where I am not *really* watching episodes anymore, just skimming through them and hoping for a better plotline. Perhaps Chris wanted reduced screentime so he could rest a bit and work on things so he'll have a career after Glee. I can tell he's trying to be smart about it, like Daniel Radcliffe.
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Glorfindel wrote:Basically this.opals wrote:Divalicious wrote:Sometimes my inner paranoid gets the feeling that they don't want Chris overshadowing other people. So they give them lots of scenes, Kurt a few. They give them lots of songs, and Kurt's are few. When Kurt does a duet, the other partner gets more of the song. When Kurt is in a song with several other people, he gets a line or so. Waitasecond. If they are really out to get you, you aren't paranoid, so if they really aren't giving Chris much of anything, perhaps they are afraid of him showing them up.
You fix that by partnering Chris with someone whom he doesn't overshadow, like Oliver. Just FYI RIB.
Their problem is when Chris shows up for 90 seconds and makes munching on a damn cookie funnier and more entertaining than about 98% of the rest of the episode, it only highlights how easily he can "pull focus" and overshadow those characters RIB seem so interested in shoving down everyone's throat.
They know what they've got with Chris, they are just not willing to let him be the star over at least 5 more 'alpha' male type of mediocre jock guys. They have tried to push Darren, Chord, Dean and Blake while shoving Chris to the background, so these more 'acceptable' guys would become stars this season, and none of it worked. But they'll be damned if they let the gay and gradually becoming independent kid be the star he rightfully became on his own anyway, without much help of TPTB.
Sadly, I finally *liked* Brody as a character in his last two episodes. And I believe that he is so firmly pinned under the bus that he'll never come back. Just when he got interesting/sympathetic/something more than a prop for Rachel, he's gone.
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Glorfindel wrote:At The Ballet:
- The harmonies are lovely: they blend together well, it reminds me of ‘How Will I Know’.
- Though I like Naya’s voice in general, I don’t think she has got a Broadway voice and I don’t like her in this song.
- Love SJP’s voice in 'At The Ballet', her singing and her acting.
- Not enough Lea and Chris, and I’m still waiting for another Hummelberry duet: they sound so nice together in the harmonies.
I expected little Kurt in 'At The Ballet', so I'm not that upset (of course I hate the lack of Kurt singing in season 4 in general). How ironic that he's literally doo-wopping in the background, but damn: how beautiful are his "Doo-doo-doo"s?
So much wasted potential this season.
I agree about Naya's voice . . . I was surprised how little I liked her in At the Ballet. She sounded uncertain, awkward, and generic to me--and I usually like her songs a lot. The thing is, if it sounded like an "acting choice," I wouldn't mind, but it sounded like she didn't fit the song or wasn't comfortable with it. Perhaps when the episode comes out, her choices will come across as emotive/acting.
I knew Chris wouldn't be used in this. They couldn't make fun of him and make him seem girly because the song is so serious. So they weren't going to use him. They'll probably cut out most of the little-Kurt ballerina for fear of prompting giggles.
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Little Girls:
Jane has improved her voice so much! This is very well sung and well acted. She’ll do great on Broadway.
And isn't she about to start a run in Annie on Broadway? I wonder how much money changed hands to get her to cover Little Girls on Glee. ;-) Or else, she asked for the song as a favor and the theatre producers are jumping up and down in joy right now.
As for the rest . . . I still think Blake Jenner has been criminally underused, but having him suddenly sing everything in one episode isn't going to fix that. I mean, what kind of storyline does he have in this episode? Any to speak of? He was cast for his acting chops, not his voice, which I like well enough anyway.
I'm glad there is more Artie.
And . . . what the heck happened to Blaine??
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brisallie wrote:opals wrote:
Their problem is when Chris shows up for 90 seconds and makes munching on a damn cookie funnier and more entertaining than about 98% of the rest of the episode, it only highlights how easily he can "pull focus" and overshadow those characters RIB seem so interested in shoving down everyone's throat.
Exactly. He's able to pull focus even doing something like eating a cookie nervously in the background, because it shows how naturally he's acting. He's not someone who's gonna stay there like a wooden, and that what people notice and comment. So is kinda ironic that RIB is trying to throwing in our faces these new boys every week, but the one who still gets attention, either he's doing little things in the background or people realizing his lack of screen time, is Kurt
Yeah, they are wasting him because they want to pump up their other guys/McKinley. :-( Oddly enough, one of the few choir guys whose reactions catch my eye now is Joe Hart.
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I don’t believe the argument ‘Chris asked for it’ for even a second. Sure, he most likely asked for some free time as he worked 24/7 for the last years, but he most certainly did not demand to get written of the show. He is ambitious, driven and talented. Don’t tell me he doesn’t want to win another major award, which only can happen by being on the show! Don’t tell me he doesn’t care about Kurt that he happily accepts him to be Rachel hand-bag, him never getting any professional recognition in NYADA and him just existing nowadays as boyfriend and not individual. Especially Chris, who if given the chance, most likely would destroy the concept of ‘endgame’ within seconds.
I mean nowadays we are lucky to see him more than 2 minutes per episode! Specifically because the lion share of scenes responsible for his full schedule during the last years were because of the choir room scenes. Kurt being a graduate, he automatically misses those scenes. It is just pure ignorance and arrogance by the writers and FOX to assume that a) they can create pre-determined stars; and b) throw their cash cows and biggest talents under the bus (that includes Naya and partly Lea).
Mind you, Naya is the female actress who suffered the same fate. Both are fan favorites. Both started as secondary/background characters. Both developed a major fanbase all by themselves. They were never supposed to be the stars and the audience decided to go against the proclaimed stars (i.e. Quinn) and rather chose those two. Naya and Chris have major fanbases who are very dedicated. I will never, ever understand why they happily focus on Marley (especially because everyone seems to hate her) while Kurt/Santana are treated like bastards this season. There is simply put no logical explanation which will explain this decision making.
P.S. I just realized my post sounds rather harsh. Has nothing to do with you but with my angers towards RIB/FOX
I mean nowadays we are lucky to see him more than 2 minutes per episode! Specifically because the lion share of scenes responsible for his full schedule during the last years were because of the choir room scenes. Kurt being a graduate, he automatically misses those scenes. It is just pure ignorance and arrogance by the writers and FOX to assume that a) they can create pre-determined stars; and b) throw their cash cows and biggest talents under the bus (that includes Naya and partly Lea).
Mind you, Naya is the female actress who suffered the same fate. Both are fan favorites. Both started as secondary/background characters. Both developed a major fanbase all by themselves. They were never supposed to be the stars and the audience decided to go against the proclaimed stars (i.e. Quinn) and rather chose those two. Naya and Chris have major fanbases who are very dedicated. I will never, ever understand why they happily focus on Marley (especially because everyone seems to hate her) while Kurt/Santana are treated like bastards this season. There is simply put no logical explanation which will explain this decision making.
P.S. I just realized my post sounds rather harsh. Has nothing to do with you but with my angers towards RIB/FOX
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bayth wrote:Patty Duke just posted a photo with Meredith, Chris and Blarren:I had such a great time on Glee with @darrencriss and @chriscolfer and my dear Meredith twitter.com/pattyduke_id/s…
— Patty Duke (@pattyduke_id) April 20, 2013
And she also posted this about Chris:I can describe @chriscolfer three words--"One big Sweetheart".
— Patty Duke (@pattyduke_id) April 20, 2013
1. Patty Duke is one big sweetheart.
2. Chris is wearing my favorite color among all my husband's shirts.
3. :-( I hadn't seen this picture before when I posted about everyone doing everything at Breadstix/maybe they were just hanging out on the other side of the set where they were shooting. The lighting is too good--they must have been shooting at Breadstix. It makes me sad to think that Patty D. and Meredith B. are being brought in to prop up Blaine. I hope they make their "life is so much better for gay people now" speech good, integrating it into the plot, instead of making it seem like a PSA.
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Lottie2303 wrote:
P.S. I just realized my post sounds rather harsh. Has nothing to do with you but with my angers towards RIB/FOX
Phew. I was worried.
I know Chris would never have wanted his character to be thrown under the bus like this. I just *wish* I had some way of rationalizing it. And I hate that the only reasons I can come up with are bad writing, not wanting him to distract from the newbies, bad writing, laziness, not wanting him to distract from the more masculine characters, more bad writing--and most of all terrible short-sightedness on the part of RIB.
And they probably think that Chris/Darren shoved into the last episodes will make up for everything that came before . . .
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I don't know how often I have to debunk that theory here and elsewhere, but there is no indication at all that Chris himself asked for reduced screentime, on the contrary actually. He said before the season started that he thought (or hoped) he was in 100% of the time, and as the season progressed he said he missed performing, and wanted Kurt to have more, like reacting to the cheating and being shown living in New York.AnneNeville wrote:I wish I knew! I'm at the point where I am not *really* watching episodes anymore, just skimming through them and hoping for a better plotline. Perhaps Chris wanted reduced screentime so he could rest a bit and work on things so he'll have a career after Glee. I can tell he's trying to be smart about it, like Daniel Radcliffe.
Chris is a driven and ambitious young man: he would want to make the most of it, and he loves Kurt.
I strongly doubt he is satisfied with the underusage of Kurt. And the less screentime he gets as Kurt, the more his fame and exposure will suffer from it. Although I'm sure the people in the business know it's not his fault and will blame Glee for that, but still..... he might lose some of his teenage girl fanbase who'll move on to other Glee characters, like e.g. Ryder.
Those fans may not be his biggest fans (obviously) but he needs them if he wants to get cast in future projects, as he himself has made clear that studios think female teenager fans are important for them when hiring a young male actor.
As for his other projects: I'm sure he enjoys having time for his writing, but Glee keeps him bound and unable to do much other work. He can't film a movie, do something on stage or guest star in another show the way his contract with Glee is now.
My guess is that Chris went into season 4 thinking he would get a bigger role to play, it then turned out differently but Chris was stuck in his contract and the conditions made during negotiations for that season. He won't make the same mistake going into season 5 and 6.
I bet he either got some guarantees that Kurt will get more screentime next season(s), or he negotiated a better working schedule and time off to do other projects when Kurt's screentime stays as limited as it is now. At least I hope so.
-ETA- Or as @Lottie said.
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AnneNeville wrote:Lottie2303 wrote:
P.S. I just realized my post sounds rather harsh. Has nothing to do with you but with my angers towards RIB/FOX
Phew. I was worried.
I know Chris would never have wanted his character to be thrown under the bus like this. I just *wish* I had some way of rationalizing it. And I hate that the only reasons I can come up with are bad writing, not wanting him to distract from the newbies, bad writing, laziness, not wanting him to distract from the more masculine characters, more bad writing--and most of all terrible short-sightedness on the part of RIB.
And they probably think that Chris/Darren shoved into the last episodes will make up for everything that came before . . .
That is my worst fear and I am almost entirely sure will happen. When it comes to Kurt, they believe everything has to do with Blaine nowadays. They will have a very rude awakewing.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 12
Glorfindel wrote:I don't know how often I have to debunk that theory here and elsewhere, but there is no indication at all that Chris himself asked for reduced screentime, on the contrary actually. He said before the season started that he thought (or hoped) he was in 100% of the time, and as the season progressed he said he missed performing, and wanted Kurt to have more, like reacting to the cheating and being shown living in New York.AnneNeville wrote:I wish I knew! I'm at the point where I am not *really* watching episodes anymore, just skimming through them and hoping for a better plotline. Perhaps Chris wanted reduced screentime so he could rest a bit and work on things so he'll have a career after Glee. I can tell he's trying to be smart about it, like Daniel Radcliffe.
Chris is a driven and ambitious young man: he would want to make the most of it, and he loves Kurt.
I strongly doubt he is satisfied with the underusage of Kurt. And the less screentime he gets as Kurt, the more his fame and exposure will suffer from it. Although I'm sure the people in the business know it's not his fault and will blame Glee for that, but still..... he might lose some of his teenage girl fanbase who'll move on to other Glee characters, like e.g. Ryder.
Those fans may not be his biggest fans (obviously) but he needs them if he wants to get cast in future projects, as he himself has made clear that studios think female teenager fans are important for them when hiring a young male actor.
As for his other projects: I'm sure he enjoys having time for his writing, but Glee keeps him bound and unable to do much other work. He can't film a movie, do something on stage or guest star in another show the way his contract with Glee is now.
My guess is that Chris went into season 4 thinking he would get a bigger role to play, it then turned out differently but Chris was stuck in his contract and the conditions made during negotiations for that season. He won't make the same mistake going into season 5 and 6.
I bet he either got some guarantees that Kurt will get more screentime next season(s), or he negotiated a better working schedule and time off to do other projects when Kurt's screentime stays as limited as it is now. At least I hope so.
-ETA- Or as @Lottie said.
Sorry. I didn't quite realize that was a frequently debunked argument. I won't suggest it again.
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^Yes, it is. It is nothing but a false rumor. And it has been used and continues to be used as a 'weapon' in the big argument why the noobs and Blam get so much this year in comparison to NY. The Lima lovers elsewhere are saying that NY getting so little is Chris' and Lea's own fault, because they asked for less screentime (same for Cory, btw) themselves.
I really hate that, because it suggests that Ryan wanted to write for them but got rejected, when in fact Ryan just loves the noobs and Blam (or the illusion that his writing is the best of Glee and not the original cast).
Lea, nor Chris, nor Cory (nor Mark, Harry and Naya) ever asked for less screentime, at least nothing got out publicly that they did or suggests they did. It is no secret that Dianna and Amber wanted out, and they got less, but so did the others (get less).
And then there's Kevin and Jenna, who were in it from the start as well. They were just as tired as the other original cast members after season 3 (and they all complained about being exhausted after 3 seasons of shooting and 2 summer tours), yet they still have to work many hours, sitting in the choir room, without getting sufficient screentime and songs in return for their efforts.
I really hate that, because it suggests that Ryan wanted to write for them but got rejected, when in fact Ryan just loves the noobs and Blam (or the illusion that his writing is the best of Glee and not the original cast).
Lea, nor Chris, nor Cory (nor Mark, Harry and Naya) ever asked for less screentime, at least nothing got out publicly that they did or suggests they did. It is no secret that Dianna and Amber wanted out, and they got less, but so did the others (get less).
And then there's Kevin and Jenna, who were in it from the start as well. They were just as tired as the other original cast members after season 3 (and they all complained about being exhausted after 3 seasons of shooting and 2 summer tours), yet they still have to work many hours, sitting in the choir room, without getting sufficient screentime and songs in return for their efforts.
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