Re: Kurt Hummel Snark & Bark Thread--Part 5

[fantastica]

^ preach! That's the spirit my boy! Now Chris does care about his fans but there's no way he can make everyone happy, especially those w irrational expectations or emotional issues.

[brisallie]

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Regarding mindless Klaine shippers who do not care for Kurt or Chris.

That gif is perfect.

And I'm agree with Buenos, that what's is most important for Chris is Kurt happiness. And if that happiness it doesn't include Blaine, I'm sorry to those Klainers who're more Blainers actually.

[ChrisColferFan1]

^ preach! That's the spirit my boy! Now Chris does care about his fans but there's no way he can make everyone happy, especially those w irrational expectations or emotional issues.

Agree 100%

[Piciollina]

Chris "problem" is that he doesn't pander to shippers and they loathe him for it. He dares to care first and foremost for the character of Kurt (as he rightly should).

I love that he speaks his mind when he can and its irrelevant if I agree with everything he says (I don't) but some of those shipper idiots don't care about actual storylines or character development so their rage is so pathetic.

Regarding mindless Klaine shippers who do not care for Kurt or Chris.

Totally!

[Divalicious]

Chris treats his fans like responsible adults. I remember when I was a teen I wanted to be treated like an adult, instead of being indulged like a child. But certain aspects of this fandom seem to be very pre-teen in emotional evolution, and are determined to stay in that mindset, despite the fact this show is 4 years older and so are they.

[Glorfindel]

Look at this awkward (by lack of a better word) advertisement poster:



They are promoting a romantic pairing that even in the pictures here has to stay at least 2-3 feet apart from each other. Do they really think that drawing hearts and arrows are a substitute for showing hugs and kisses?
Will and Blaine are standing closer together than Kurt and Blaine.

And as a Kurtsie I'm annoyed that Blaine has one more picture in this poster than Kurt.

[ColferGirl]

Look at this awkward (by lack of a better word) advertisement poster:



They are promoting a romantic pairing that even in the pictures here has to stay at least 2-3 feet apart from each other. Do they really think that drawing hearts and arrows are a substitute for showing hugs and kisses?
Will and Blaine are standing closer together than Kurt and Blaine.

And as a Kurtsie I'm annoyed that Blaine has one more picture in this poster than Kurt.

Oh my gosh THANK YOU I was reading all the comments on Facebook under that Klaine promo pic, and not a single person complained that there was a random Blaine-only pic in a *Klaine* poster. At least I know someone else is annoyed about it too. I also find the dumb, doublestandard borderline homophobic picture choices awful as well.

I always find it a bit pathetic that the fans who make graphics out of love and for free always do a better job than Glee's paid graphic designer professionals.

Sadly, about 90% of the 900 (so far) comments on FB about this are all pro-Klaine - whoever runs the Glee FB is responding to the fans so they're definitely seeing the positive reception, whomever they may be. A LOT of fans are asking for Kurt and Blaine to get married. (There was a few nasty anti-Kurt/anti-Chris comments so don't go look unless you have a thick skin. Thankfully, there's pro-Kurt/Chris comments to balance it out, including people saying they're excited for Kurt and Adam or who just want Kurt to have someone new)

[Glorfindel]

Well, I just added my comment. I said that cheating broke the trust Kurt had in Blaine and it's time for both of them to move on. And let Kurt enjoy New York.
Here's the link if people with facebook want to add their 2 cents to the comments over there: Glee facebook

BTW: The GEP people will certainly react to this promo picture collage of Klaine, and rightfully so.

[ChrisColferFan1]

Well, I just added my comment. I said that cheating broke the trust Kurt had in Blaine and it's time for both of them to move on. And let Kurt enjoy New York.
Here's the link if people with facebook want to add their 2 cents to the comments over there: Glee facebook

BTW: The GEP people will certainly react to this promo picture collage of Klaine, and rightfully so.

I don't have a facebook,but if I did I would posted something similar . Question, what does GEP People mean?

[Glorfindel]

I don't have a facebook,but if I did I would posted something similar . Question, what does GEP People mean?

They are the ones behind the Glee Equality Project. They want equal treatment for the gay characters and relationships on Glee.
This is there facebook and their tumblr.

[ChrisColferFan1]

I don't have a facebook,but if I did I would posted something similar . Question, what does GEP People mean?

They are the ones behind the Glee Equality Project. They want equal treatment for the gay characters and relationships on Glee.
This is there facebook and their tumblr.

Okay, thank you. I heard of them.

[MissSoniaPP]

I don't have a facebook,but if I did I would posted something similar . Question, what does GEP People mean?

They are the ones behind the Glee Equality Project. They want equal treatment for the gay characters and relationships on Glee.
This is there facebook and their tumblr.

I do not like this group.
They talk about the fight for gay and lesbians in Glee.
But the only request is more kissing between Klaine and Brittana.
I want to see them do the same if Kurt and Adam are a couple, or if Santana get another girlfriend.

[ChrisColferFan1]

I don't have a facebook,but if I did I would posted something similar . Question, what does GEP People mean?

They are the ones behind the Glee Equality Project. They want equal treatment for the gay characters and relationships on Glee.
This is there facebook and their tumblr.

I do not like this group.
They talk about the fight for gay and lesbians in Glee.
But the only request is more kissing between Klaine and Brittana.
I want to see them do the same if Kurt and Adam are a couple, or if Santana get another girlfriend.

Good point. I agree.

[Glorfindel]

I don't have a facebook,but if I did I would posted something similar . Question, what does GEP People mean?

They are the ones behind the Glee Equality Project. They want equal treatment for the gay characters and relationships on Glee.
This is there facebook and their tumblr.

I do not like this group.
They talk about the fight for gay and lesbians in Glee.
But the only request is more kissing between Klaine and Brittana.
I want to see them do the same if Kurt and Adam are a couple, or if Santana get another girlfriend.

Some of the fans of the gay ships who jump on the band wagon of the project are like that, I agree. But the core of this organization, the ones who set it up and keep it going are genuinely concerned for all LGBTQ characters on the show: they truly care.

The lack of kisses for the LGBTQ characters is just one of the things they care about, and granted: it's the part that gets highlighted the most, because it is quite easy to 'prove' how Glee has been lacking in that department. But that's just their spearhead; they care about a lot more, and not just about the relationships, but the individual LGBTQ characters.

And it is not about the established ships either: the ones I know from this project are excited about Kurt and Adam too, and want Santana to get a new girlfriend. As long as they are treated equally to the straight couples/characters. And we all know they aren't.
But unfortunately it is true that their project gets used as nothing but a promoting tool to get more kisses for their ships by some Klainers and Brittana shippers.

[zuppid]

Glorfindel is right!The group will definitely campaign for PDA between Kurt and Adam too.
I actually like this group.They are not "bullies" and they truly care about equality

[Jellyrolls]

Looking at those comments, it is disgusting to see how many people want them back together and married. It amazes me to see how many people out there want them back together.

The double standards in this fandom is appalling.

Texting is cheating but regularly chatting with a boy who calls you sex on a stick and is actively trying to break up your relationship is OK?

Being too busy to chat while at work is equally as bad as jumping in bed with the first random stranger who pokes you and calls you sexy on facebook?

I'm glad that Chris/Kurt has a more mature fanbase than Blarren.

We embrace Kurt's flaws, not expect him to be the perfect.

We acknowledge Kurt's mistakes and watch him take ownership of them, and grow from them, not make excuses from him and throw blame for his actions on anyone but himself.

We cheer as we watch Kurt fight and work hard for everything he achieves, not be handed everything on a silver platter.

The introduction of Blaine on Glee was the start of very long painful death spiral that I would have given up by mid-season three if it weren't for Chris.

[coxfire]

What bothers me the most is that concept that Kurt HAS to forgive Blaine because their are "soulmates" EUUURRRGGHHHHH!!!
Could the fandom cut the crap, please? Both boys are fucking 18 and 17! It's like what, 1/4 of their lives? What have they experienced, romantically speaking? Nothing. 1,5 years together is sure "long" considering their age, but they don't know anything else. They've never been with anyone else, so declaring "he's the one and only for ever and ever" is clearly lacking a lot of perspective and hindsight.

In true honesty, we don't even know why they are together, what they have in common, what they DO and like doing when they are together, apart reading Vogue (because, you know, "that's so gay").

Blaine was OK as long as he was a mentor to Kurt, and then they fuck-retconned him into a stupid junior, supperbland and dapper, who completely neutered and tamed Kurt, who completely lost his snark and sharp tongue around him, except when Sebatian came along (and God do I miss my "You smell like Craiglist" Kurt! More of him PLEAAAASEEEE!!!).

Their couple met few to no challenges, and as soon as Blaine felt a little threatened, he fucked up.

First by deciding unilaterally that it would be better to withdraw from Kurt to prepare himself for his departure to New York, since, you know Kurt was being an awful boyfriend only talking about NYADA at this time (it's not like Kurt had sworn for 18 years that he would escape from cowtown Lima, Ohio, you know, and it's not like Blaine knew how much Kurt hated this town and had sufferred in it, no, no), and we all know it resulted in baaaaad!Kurt receiving stupid-corny-flirty texts (which for all we know he never responded to, but only laughed about)

Secondly by deciding that, well, since my boyfriend cut me mid-phrase just for "someone who had the best gossip", let's go fuck a lighthouse!!! Brilliant idea, brilliant!! I underlined the previous sentence to stress out how much people didn't get this scene, IMO. Are Blaine-stan that blind not to see that, in a business context such as fashion, lots has to do with who-wears-what, this designer dressed this artist / this event is gonna take place this date, and this artist is invited and going to go dresses by this designer.??? I guess no.

Considering that the 2 rare times their couple was "endangered", Blaine reacted like a moron, I wonder what it's going to be like when life is going to kick him in the balls when he'll have to leave High School, let alone maintain a long time relationship with someone and face other challenges than a mere 3 weeks of separation (Hey, I just thought of a 3rd with Sebastian wanting into Blaine pants, you know, when Blaine had basically the fervor of a frozen artichoke when it came to defend his boyfriend and still continued to exchange phone calls with a guy who called Kurt Gayface!! But you know, it's OK, he's Blaine is so effin' perfect )

No, seriously, give Kurt a funny sacarstic boyfriend, one he can have flirty banter with, maybe some mild arguments, but give him someone who brings LIFE and not DULL into him, for McQueen's sake!

Ah, it's relieving!!!!

[Jellyrolls]

You know, the more I think about the whole Klaine thing today, the more pissed it is making me. The hypocrisy of the loudest portiong of fandom and the writers when it comes to Kurt and Blaine is just appalling!

Let’s get this completely straight:

Blaine gets hit on by a hot, smooth-talking guy who calls him sex on a stick. Kurt repeatedly tells Blaine that he doesn’t like that guy, and Kurt feels the guy is a threat to their relationship. Blaine continues to chat and meet up with the guy.

Blaine’s actions are OK. Kurt is overbearing and controlling.

Blaine starts to distance himself from Kurt because Kurt is excited about his upcoming audition to get into his dream college in New York. Kurt is upset and lonely from the decrease in attention from Blaine, and sends some flirty texts with a nerdy flambouyant gay boy he meets. Blaine is all hurt, says flirty texting is cheating, and publicly ridicule’s Kurt in front of his friends.

Kurt’s actions are not OK, and Blaine’s reactions are completely appropriate.

With Blaine’s encouragement, Kurt leaves for New York, where he lands an incredible internship at vogue.com. Kurt is excitedly talking about his experiences and brushes off helping Blaine pick which bowtie to wear. Kurt calls Blaine from work when he is covering the phonelines so he doesn’t miss a phonedate, but can’t give Blaine his undivided attention because he is working. Blaine calls Kurt at work, and Kurt doesn’t have time to talk to him so he doesn’t answer the call. Blaine runs off and screws the first random stranger who pokes him and calls him sexy on facebook.

Kurt actions are not OK. He’s a bad boyfriend for not dropping everything to talk to Blaine, and that’s makes Blaine’s actions justifiable.

Blaine tells Kurt he slept with someone else. Kurt is upset, tells Blaine he had temptations too, but didn’t act on them because he knew it would be a bad thing. Blaine tells Kurt that hooking up with random dude didn’t mean anything and he did it beause he was lonely and needed Kurt, and Kurt wasn’t there.

Blaine winds up sleeping in Kurt’s bed that night. Kurt winds up sitting up most of the night in the dark in an uncomfortable looking chair in the living room.

I could go on and on and on here. In just about every situation, it turns out Blaine smells like roses, and Kurt is pond scum.

Blaine, Ryan Murphy’s Darren obsession, and the demanding nature of Darren’s stans have ruined Glee beyond repair.

And you know what, Darren is much a victim of all of that as he is a benefactor of it.

I really can't wait for a day when I don't have to endure looking at Darren, or hearing him sing again. I can't wait for the day when his 15 minutes are up.

[zuppid]

Can you please stop this Darren hating?
He's a hard worker,a nice guy and ,even if he doesn't convince me as an actor all the time-I think his place is on a stage rather than in front of a camera-, a pretty talented guy (I really love him as a performer and his works with the starkids are BRILLIANT)...
I understand if you don't like Blaine or Darren but please don't be so hateful...Sentences like "I can't wait for the day when his 15 minutes are up" are really annoying...

[Jellyrolls]

Can you please stop this Darren hating?
He's a hard worker,a nice guy and ,even if he doesn't convince me as an actor all the time-I think his place is on a stage rather than in front of a camera-, a pretty talented guy (I really love him as a performer and his works with the starkids are BRILLIANT)...
I understand if you don't like Blaine or Darren but please don't be so hateful...Sentences like "I can't wait for the day when his 15 minutes are up" are really annoying...

Zuppid, I know you weren't here from the beginning, so you may not be aware of why this board was created. This board was created in large part to the fact that other forums we were involved with censored or removed posts that portrayed Blaine or Darren in a negative light because the Blaine/Darren stans complained when people said negative things about Blaine or Darren.

This thread was created specifically so that people could freely express their opinions about Darren or any other actor, producer, or individual associated with Chris without fear of being censored or having Blarren fans interfere with their views. We aren't required to love or tolerate Darren or any other actor on this board. This thread was specifically created as a place to vent and express our opinions.

If you don't want to read posts that may have negative opinions of Darren, you may want to avoid this thread in the future because it is allowed on this thread. We aren't required to love, admire, and respect Darren on this board, especially on this thread. We are only required to respect each other, and this thread is one of the things that allows peace on this board. The posters here are respectful enough of each other to keep the worst of their Blarren negativity on this one thread so that those who are Blaine/Darren fans can just avoid this thread, and enjoy the rest of the board.

[coxfire]

Can you please stop this Darren hating?
He's a hard worker,a nice guy and ,even if he doesn't convince me as an actor all the time-I think his place is on a stage rather than in front of a camera-, a pretty talented guy (I really love him as a performer and his works with the starkids are BRILLIANT)...
I understand if you don't like Blaine or Darren but please don't be so hateful...Sentences like "I can't wait for the day when his 15 minutes are up" are really annoying...

Sorry if I upseted you, that wasn't the purpose. I have nothing against Darren, it's just the Blaine character that annoys me (and it's the snark and bark thread, so....) As I said in another thread, I understand why people who like the character (even I personnaly don't) or Darren are frustrated with the writing of Blaine. And frankly, my post was just a reactionnal post to some comments I read elsewhere that were as much as if not worse as this one. So once again, sorry if I upseted you, but Darren himself doesn't bother me at all, just the way his character is written and Blaine's own flaws overlooked in favor of his looks/singing.

[zuppid]

Thanks for the clarification

I don't like Blaine very much either right now.They writers seem incapable "to rescue" him from his condition of "Kurt's boyfriend" and "human juke-box"...I just don't like Darren getting "the guilt" for the fact that everybody seems to have a huge boner for him...

They try to sell Darren like "the teenage dream" but I had never gotten the idea that Darren considers himself like "a teenage dream"...He seems to work really hard to reach his goals.That's all.

[Ranwing]

My biggest issue is not so much with Darren (though when he panders to his fans like he did following the cheating episode, it irks me to no end), but his fans. Whether we're talking about the Starkids stans or the Blaine stans, they are constantly pushing the boundires of acceptable behavior. Whether we're talking about Starkids fans who planned to show up at Chris's book signings to ask him to give something to Darren, or who anytime Chris is being acknoweleged for something (especially something related to being a gay icon), they have to post comment about why isn't Darren included. These are the wonderful people that blasted Chris when he commented that he thought that Klaine was stagnating and needed to be shaken up and I cannot stand that kind of behavior.

I'm going to agree with a lot of posters that the show really began to spiral downhill after Darren was made a regular and we got Blaine the Human Jukebox on a weekly basis. Despite all the screen time, the huge number of solos and group leads and the efforts made to give his character some depth, Blaine is still a cardboard cutout. Like Brittany, he gets far more screen time and focus than his character warrents (or that the actor can handle) and the show suffers as a result.

[Jellyrolls]

My biggest issue is not so much with Darren (though when he panders to his fans like he did following the cheating episode, it irks me to no end), but his fans. Whether we're talking about the Starkids stans or the Blaine stans, they are constantly pushing the boundires of acceptable behavior. Whether we're talking about Starkids fans who planned to show up at Chris's book signings to ask him to give something to Darren, or who anytime Chris is being acknoweleged for something (especially something related to being a gay icon), they have to post comment about why isn't Darren included. These are the wonderful people that blasted Chris when he commented that he thought that Klaine was stagnating and needed to be shaken up and I cannot stand that kind of behavior.

I'm going to agree with a lot of posters that the show really began to spiral downhill after Darren was made a regular and we got Blaine the Human Jukebox on a weekly basis. Despite all the screen time, the huge number of solos and group leads and the efforts made to give his character some depth, Blaine is still a cardboard cutout. Like Brittany, he gets far more screen time and focus than his character warrents (or that the actor can handle) and the show suffers as a result.

Great post, Wendy!

I admit that a lot of my dislike for Darren really isn't Darren's fault at all. I liked Blaine in season two, and even the beginning of season three. But between his overzealous and often inappropriate fans, and the writers/producers insistance on overexposing him on the show (particularly with the ridiculous number or songs he sings) has turned Blaine/Darren into someone I can barely stomach watching at all anymore.

Darren is fine as a supporting actor, and when he is used as a supporting actor, I usually enjoy him. He is not capable of handling a leading role. We all agree the writers are bad and don't do any of the actors any favors with the material they give them to work with. Chris, Cory, Jane, and and Matt have all had crappy writing and storylines, and they find away to work with it and make something out of it, and add dimension to their characters. Darren hasn't been able to do that with Blaine, even when he's been given significant time and material on the show (like with Big Brother, or even the Breakup).

Honestly, I half wonder if a lot of the reason people want Klaine back together is because Blaine/Darren is more promiently featured when he is directly involved with Kurt.

[Ranwing]

Honestly, I half wonder if a lot of the reason people want Klaine back together is because Blaine/Darren is more promiently featured when he is directly involved with Kurt.

I don't know how much more he can be featured, in all honesty, but Darren is unquestionably at his best when he's working with a strong actor like Chris to support him. Chris forces Darren to up his game and while even at his absolute best, Darren isn't anything close to Chris's level, he's better than when he acts opposite Chord.

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