Re: Kurt Hummel Snark & Bark Thread--Part 5

[sahhar]

[ColferGirl]

I've forgotten how to do that with text - make it invisible - but I think I'll be okay, I don't think this response steps on anyone's toes.

Anyway, I always find it bizarre - and a little fascinating - how people can interpret the same thing in 20+ different ways. Whether that be a character like Kurt, a storyline, a single moment, real life events....everyone sees the same thing differently. Brody's a perfect example, but I'd rather talk about Kurt.

Some say Kurt isnt "a nice guy", and actively "tries to not fit in", therefore he gets shit on in life and can't ever win anything. Which I find hilarious, because my interpretation of Kurt is the complete opposite. I find him one of the sweetest and most compassionate characters on the show, and consistently so, and to multiple people. And I think Kurt's distinctive individuality is all natural, I don't think he tries not to fit in or wears what he does and does what he does to be different, or to rebel against the status quo, it's just inherently who he is. I think the Vogue storyline itself is proving that, actually, that it wasn't that Kurt isn't sweet or tries on purpose to be so "out there" that he can't be accepted or make friends - he was just in a hostile, unaccepting environment. Now that he's somewhere that accepts him - New York, and Vogue - he's finally successful and making friends (assuming we don't count ND as friends...I count most of the ND girls as his friends). That final scene where Isabelle pets Kurt's hair, she and the other people at Vogue were all smiling and laughing and they seemed to get along with Kurt just fine. He belonged with and fit in with them perfectly.

And, if we're using the unpopular = not nice = doesn't fit in on purpose = no success = no friends angle....shouldn't certain members of ND (anyone NOT a football player or Cheerio), who are supposed to be underdogs, fall under that too? I don't see them having oodles of friends outside of ND, just like Kurt doesn't, ND's brief S4 premiere popularity not counting. (and level of "niceness" in a character determined by your interpretation of the character) In fact, if we buy into popularity and niceness equaling success at all, then Rachel's whole character is a huge crazy contradiction. She's not popular, and often self-absorbed. But she's never ultimately unsuccessful at all, or repeatedly raked over the coals for even the slightest bad behavior (far as I know, Rachel fans may say otherwise).

But "Not a nice guy" my butt. Being the obsessive person I am, over the summer I made a list of all the times throughout the first three seasons Kurt did something really nice for someone else with pure unselfish reasons (or at least 50-80% unselfish, some things you can argue or see differently as having an ulterior motive, like being nice to Finn at certain times in S1 ), but it came out to at least 43 separate times. 43!! And that number only rose with the Makeover episode (he immediately offered Isabelle a place to stay, living with him and Rachel, if she ever became homeless; he helped Rachel get more confidence in herself through the makeover, and he seemed very sweetly excited for her and her newfound confidence when talking to Isabelle about it later in the episode - this one can be argued as half for his own purposes, though). But things Kurt has done/said that I consider nice, or sweet, or compassionate - doing things for other characters, saying nice things to them, helping them, comforting them, forgiving them, being sweet to them - might not be considered "nice" to all viewers, so the list was strictly following my interpretation.

But in my definition, yeah, Kurt's an angel compared to some of the other characters with comparable screentime (Santana, or Quinn, probably even Finn, etc.), snarky side or no snarky side. Well, honestly I could probably make a decent length list of his snarky moments too, pre-S3, because Kurt is a very HUMAN character with FLAWS and a well-balanced personality of sweet and snarky. Though I guess it doesn't matter what they think.....they can interpret Glee and its stories and plotlines how they want, and I will interpret them how I want, and all is good. This is how people end up having different favorites anyway...why a character I think is a total manipulative douchebag can be considered a noble, kind, selfless person by others and dubbed their favorite. If they think xxx character is the best ever and a sweetheart and deserves everything he/she has and more besides, whatever. I'll go on believing that Kurt is the best character and a sweetheart and deserves everything he struggled for and hasn't gotten, deserves what he will get (Vogue and hopefully NYADA, and a guy who is worthy of him), and more besides.

[Divalicious]

Colfergirl, you have my admiration. I usually try to keep an level head, but every time I go to GF anymore, I just get pissed, outside of KHAT. I have certain windows automatically open when I start my computer, this is one of them, and GF had been one of them for over 3 years. That ended today, I can still go look at it, but it isn't a chosen destination anymore. I prefer to focus on where I am happier, here. I have more posts here, than I have in 3 years over there. I check out TWOP right after the show to see feedback, but I don't keep that one up either, it moves very slowly. I won't be as up on spoilers, but I think people bring all the Kurt related ones here, and those are really the only ones I care about anyway.

What you commented on, allowing others to believe what they wanted to believe is an excellent view point. I just got tired of others not giving everyone the same benefit, and saying that Kurtsies complain more than any other group just annoys me. Again, have Rachel not sing for two episodes, you would think the apocalypse was nigh. If Blaine or Rachel weren't commented on how attractive they are at least once an episode they would be checking the writers basements for pods. When you have everything wonderful happening for your character, despite the occasional angst, what would you complain about. Oh yeah, how Finn holds Rachel back and Kurt doing the same for Blaine. They sit on a pile of gold and wonder at the fact we complain about all the dross Kurt is given for all that he tries.

If they allowed a Kurtsie to vent and treat it respectfully, I could deal, but I am tired of the attitude that Kurt doesn't get things because he isn't nice enough, well rounded enough, have enough extracurriculars, doesn't pass or whatever criteria they choose to set upon him for that week. He doesn't get stuff because the writers don't give him stuff, because he rocks the emotions, where with others it would not be as believable. See evidence, any shot of someone squeezing a tear out of their eye, or overly mugging a song to show just how much they feel. I am tired of how Kurt getting a job at Vogue is unreal, when Glee itself is unreal. Why do things have to be real only for Kurt, but make perfect sense when things are handed to others? Tired of the double standard, Glee is supposed to be about acceptance and people growing up, and we see none of that in most of fandom.

Better to stay in my little corner and try to enjoy Glee as much as I can. I had already found that I didn't miss Glee during the summer break, and am almost looking forward to the hiatus to take a break from all the comments. Another reason just to stick here. Kurt will get the occasionally big moment, he's had one, and may get one before the season ends, but too much this groundbreaking character is used for background. Support Rachel, and cheerfully applaud as she makes out with her hot boyfriend. That is one great bff, not even a small shudder of sadness for his stepbrother. All on the altar of Rachel, and the rest of his heart on the altar of Blaine. Maybe the writers will surprise me, maybe without the bitterness at other sites I can hope for something better for Kurt that lasts more than a couple of episodes. Right now, feeling very tired of all the meanness.

I don't even hate Rachel, or Blaine, I am just tired how they are portrayed as desirable, ultra talented in every way possible, and the best you can get as a significant other. I like the vast majority of the characters to varying degrees, but I am tired of the double standards, the lack of consequences .Santana's endless diatribes never getting a smack down herself, except when Finn outed her, is a huge complaint of mine. If she used her power for good, protecting the Glee kids, I'd be an admirer, but she mistreated those who were supposed to be "family" Just like Mercedes described ND as "family" but then proceeded to form the TT to get more star time. I have never seen ND as family, and there were barely any friendships. I got tired of tell me, not show me. So it is the writers I blame, not the actors, or even the characters. It is the one dimensional thinking, how to get that funny line in there. I am still hoping with all the planning they put into this season that they will remember to give Kurt an occasional win, and not just at the beginning of the season. I don't want him to win all the time. I am okay with Kurt being fallible, in fact, I prefer it. I just want him to remain valued, and not just brought out to give them the occasional honest emotional moment.

[ColferInspired]

I have been some wonderful posts here and agree with all that I have read just now.

I am tired of this show and Fox and RIB wanting to think Lea and Darren are the true stars of the show.

Chris and others are wasted on this show.

If only we can hear that he is starting his next film than I can just not worry about Glee.

This show is failing fast. And having a Warbler episode won't save it.

I think Australia have had enough of this show, probably why we won't be getting Season 4.

[valkeakuulas]

I think Australia have had enough of this show, probably why we won't be getting Season 4.

Didn't UK Sky also stop sending Glee so rapidly after it was made? And didn't the Sky in Australia send Glee like only a day or two after its original airing during the previous season?

This is just a sign that Glee has become a filler on their foreign sales market, it's no longer that stellar product that used to sell on its own. Shame really in many ways since now they are probably even more crazed about the US iTunes sales since the show has got such a bad rep just as a show and doesn't sell as well as it used to.

Don't the makers have any professional/creative pride in themselves? I mean if I was a writer and a show producer I would like to be known from the high level of my product not how much bulk and extra merchandise sales I'm able to create. And most press that I've read, so suprisingly good for this season starter, has been very prejudgemental and "Look there is that crappy show again, trying to make a comeback!". Once you get the label, it's hard to shed. We as Glee fans are a living proof: it takes a lot more than few good episodes to redeem an entire crappy one. I wonder how well does Glee still sell ads now that they have fallen well below that 10 million viewers marker?

[M&M]

Just a quick reply on GF and Lea/Darren. I used to visit there and tried to comment a couple times but always felt a little defensive, so I just ended up reading, not participating. I have read less and less and honestly, I don't even check it anymore. I can't deal with Darren/Blaine stans... at all. I get they love him, whatever. I stan for Colfer, so I understand. What I don't like is the idea that if you don't love Darren you should or you're the jerk. I'm sorry, stop forcing your opinions on me because I don't care and I will never not think Blaine is a bad character and Darren is a poor actor and mediocre singer. But that's my opinion. I am not trying to stop their stanning.

As for believability of the Vogue storyline, how believeable is it that Rachel tanks her audition twice, harrasses the Dean, has the Dean ultimately show up to Nationals and then let her into NYADA? Oh, not believable at all, you say? Then leave Kurt alone for getting something good for once.

[tanita_mors]

Compered to every other show on Fox, Glee is safe. Bones is doing somewhat decent, but this is either it's last or second to last season. Every other show is a dud. They got nothing to battle CBS and ABC. Glee is going nowhere, particularly being so close to the coveted 100 episode syndication mark. Even if the rating drop below 2, it's getting that final 12-13 episode season. I don't doubt that. And, Glee still has a big teen and young demographic, people who buy products, so their marketability is still very good.

As for the foreign countries, it all depends on the potential pool of viewers. Is the show going to be aired on a network or cable station. If the interest is not great, why waste the money for an expensive season, particularly when people can just go online and download the episode.

The music is a different thing. It's a mixture or the song familiarity, how good the cover is, who is performing it and how hard is it being pushed.

[Jellyrolls]

Glee's downfall really came when they became more focused on selling iTunes units than writing a quality TV show. Putting in songs that would sell became more important than putting in songs that would tell the story. Glee season one was great because we got to know the characters, and the songs were used to enhance their stories most of the time. The show turned from a TV show with music to a music to a variety hour with a little tiny bit of character development thrown in each week.

A good TV show has to be character driven--to succeed, it has to have well fleshed out characters that people either love or love to hate. The characters have to be interesting enough to make people come back week after week. I think that the viewership went down on Glee because people lost interest in the show because they lost interest in the characters. Most of us here are only still watching the show because we are Kurt fans, and Kurt happens to be the best and most consistently developed character on the show--and that's not something that you can say about any of of the characters--not even Rachel.

Take Blaine for example. He has been on the show nearly 40 episodes now, and what do we know about him? He loves Kurt. He had issues with his brother because his brother didn't tell him how wonderful he is. Everyone is (scriptually) required to swoon at the sight of him. He has strong feelings about the ability to use hair gel. He gets depressed when his boyfriend doesn't pay attention to him 24/7. He is an attention whore. Oh, and he is a boxer because he can punch a heavy bag at the gym. Not much of a character, is he? Especially considering how much screentime he gets.

At least with Rachel, we have had decent development over the four seasons. Rachel has always been the central focus of the show, and will be until the show ends. I don't mind her getting the songs she gets because I do enjoy her songs most of the time, and they usually fit into her storyline and enhance her storyline (unlike Blaine who just sings some popular pop song in hopes that he sells 100,000 iTunes units).

As for the Blarren stans, they are by far the most vocal of the Glee fans, and they certainly eat up the iTunes songs. They are also seem to be the loudest and most vocal of all the fans when you look at the stuff they are sending to Ryan and Brad on twitter. The squeaky wheels are clearly getting the grease here.

Darren is really just a teen idol, and his sky rocket will fall as quickly as it rose when the next big and interesting face comes along. I think he'll be able to support himself in the business for as long as he likes, but he is never going to be someone who can be a leading man on TV or in the movies.

And Darren isn't alone. Hollywood doesn't seem to be knocking on many doors in the Glee family. The only ones who seem to be getting offered roles outside of Glee are Cory, Lea, and Dianna. All of Chris' projects are self-generated. Darren had a couple of things strike when the iron was hot, but he doesn't have other acting opportunities. I know Darren, Amber, and Naya have albums coming up, and it has yet to be seen if any of them can turn into major recording stars.

[Delight]

Great posts, ColferGirl and Divalicious.

I guess a lot of the tension in the Glee fandom boils down to this: There are people who don't like Kurt (because they find him annoying or because he's too much of a martyr or whatever) and use all kinds of ways to justify why Kurt doesn't deserve such and such. He doesn't deserve to sing much because he's never been a heavily featured soloist on the show and his iTunes don't sell as well. He doesn't deserve guy bro-hood (however you wish to interpret this term) because he doesn't have masculine interests. He doesn't deserve focus (such as in 'Goodbye' post-NYADA rejection) because Rachel is the main character on Glee and he isn't. He doesn't deserve success in Vogue because it's unrealistic. So on and so forth.

How they perceive Kurt often doesn't match how we Kurtsies perceive him. It's actually a futile exercise to try and make other people like Kurt, when they clearly don't. And it's perfectly fine that they don't like Kurt. Just like it's perfectly fine for us to not like other characters on Glee as well.

I find it more pleasant to interact with people who like Kurt and don't give me 101 reasons why they don't like Kurt, and that's why I'm staying here.

I think Australia have had enough of this show, probably why we won't be getting Season 4.

Yup, no more livestreaming from the US for Glee in Australia. That started happening last season.

[tanita_mors]

when we are talking about other roles, hollywood is very much into typecasting. they find you a type and stick you in it. i think i red somewhere, that chris has been approached to do a few things other then glee, but that they were similar (weather playing another gay character, or singing, or both) or that he just couldn't find the time to do it. if you look, all the movies we have seen or will see that the other glee people do are more or less inside their glee repertoire (darren in imogen, lea in new years eve, matt in what to expect when you are expecting. cory has done a few movies and i haven't been able to see them, but he has acted before, so i don't think he suffers from it the same way as other that don't have big screen experience).

[valkeakuulas]

when we are talking about other roles, hollywood is very much into typecasting. they find you a type and stick you in it. i think i red somewhere, that chris has been approached to do a few things other then glee, but that they were similar (weather playing another gay character, or singing, or both) or that he just couldn't find the time to do it. if you look, all the movies we have seen or will see that the other glee people do are more or less inside their glee repertoire (darren in imogen, lea in new years eve, matt in what to expect when you are expecting. cory has done a few movies and i haven't been able to see them, but he has acted before, so i don't think he suffers from it the same way as other that don't have big screen experience).

I watched Cory in Monte Carlo and he was good, although his character was written as slightly more intelligent country pumpkin than Finn, but for a teen romance/drama it was OK. But what I like in his acting, same goes for Chris, is that he almost never over emotes or twists his face like plasticide unless its for comedic purposes. Lea for me was Lea Michele in New Years Eve, which as a movie was generously stealing from every single Richard Curtis film that I've ever seen.

[BlueJazz]

@Divalicious, i'm sorry that you've had a hard time at the other forum. ((Hugs)) i hope that you're feeling better now. Regardless of what other people said about you, i still love reading your posts.

@ Colfergirl, Great post I completely agree with what you said. To me, kurt is definitely one of the most kind-hearted character i've seen on TV. As for people who dislike him, i guess different strokes for different folks, then.

Tbh, i can accept people not liking Kurt but i don't really see the point of discussing this issue with other characters' stans because it's quite unlikely to reach a conclusion with them. I prefer to do that with professional reviewers and fans who don't particularly stan for certain characters since they're less biased. JMHO

[fantastica]

Cory has the benefits of being in a number of small movie roles before glee. he's 30 after all. For many cast members who has no or few other roles before glee, audiences cannot see them as anyone else. If you notice few TV actors survive a famous TV series. I think the Lost actors fared the best because I still see some of them on TV. When you are on a popular tv show for years playing the same character, people only see you as that character and not as someone else. So being in long term tv roles is both a blessing (money wise) and curse (long term career wise). But since it's so difficult to work in front of the camera long term, most actors would choose to maximize their potential while they are hot. Lea, Chris, Darren, Dianna and all of the glee actors are doing exactly that. being on a famous tv show is an opportunity because it provides you w/ the spot light that's so hard to get, even if the light casts a certain color on you. it's better than being a starving artist in the dark.

the good news is that when it comes to making a movie/tv show or whatever, there are more jobs behind the camera than in front of the camera. many actors end up working behind the camera, and that will probably be a better option in terms of career longevity. Ryan Murphy is not an actor at all, but he's being a big shot producer now. granted most people don't end up like him, but they are still making a living.

on the other hand, if I have a job that pays me millions a year, but only let me work say 5 yrs, I will no doubtly take it, then retire and travel around the world, or invest most to generate more income opportunities in the future. Life is good as soon as you land on these big roles in a popular tv show or a block buster movie.

[Glorfindel]

Wonderful post, @Colfergirl.

Personally I like discussing with posters who have different opinions than mine and/or a different favorite character. It opens me up to other views and it is fun to disect/speculate on the storylines and motives of the characters.
But the key to a good discussion is respect to another person's opinion, and proper reading of other people's observations and points. And also of course: agree to disagree.

But when that is not possible, when everything you say gets dismissed as invalid because you're not 'qualified' (eg. as a straight person discussing a gay issue, or high school being too long ago for you to still understand ), or because you are being identified/generalized with a part of the fandom they don't like (the Kurtsies) aka a whining stan, then the discussion is not a discussion anymore, but a trench war.



I love this forum and all it's posters. I'm glad we have this little house on the prairie to come home to.

[ChrisColferFan1]

Colfergirl, you have my admiration. I usually try to keep an level head, but every time I go to GF anymore, I just get pissed, outside of KHAT. I have certain windows automatically open when I start my computer, this is one of them, and GF had been one of them for over 3 years. That ended today, I can still go look at it, but it isn't a chosen destination anymore. I prefer to focus on where I am happier, here. I have more posts here, than I have in 3 years over there. I check out TWOP right after the show to see feedback, but I don't keep that one up either, it moves very slowly. I won't be as up on spoilers, but I think people bring all the Kurt related ones here, and those are really the only ones I care about anyway.

What you commented on, allowing others to believe what they wanted to believe is an excellent view point. I just got tired of others not giving everyone the same benefit, and saying that Kurtsies complain more than any other group just annoys me. Again, have Rachel not sing for two episodes, you would think the apocalypse was nigh. If Blaine or Rachel weren't commented on how attractive they are at least once an episode they would be checking the writers basements for pods. When you have everything wonderful happening for your character, despite the occasional angst, what would you complain about. Oh yeah, how Finn holds Rachel back and Kurt doing the same for Blaine. They sit on a pile of gold and wonder at the fact we complain about all the dross Kurt is given for all that he tries.

If they allowed a Kurtsie to vent and treat it respectfully, I could deal, but I am tired of the attitude that Kurt doesn't get things because he isn't nice enough, well rounded enough, have enough extracurriculars, doesn't pass or whatever criteria they choose to set upon him for that week. He doesn't get stuff because the writers don't give him stuff, because he rocks the emotions, where with others it would not be as believable. See evidence, any shot of someone squeezing a tear out of their eye, or overly mugging a song to show just how much they feel. I am tired of how Kurt getting a job at Vogue is unreal, when Glee itself is unreal. Why do things have to be real only for Kurt, but make perfect sense when things are handed to others? Tired of the double standard, Glee is supposed to be about acceptance and people growing up, and we see none of that in most of fandom.

Better to stay in my little corner and try to enjoy Glee as much as I can. I had already found that I didn't miss Glee during the summer break, and am almost looking forward to the hiatus to take a break from all the comments. Another reason just to stick here. Kurt will get the occasionally big moment, he's had one, and may get one before the season ends, but too much this groundbreaking character is used for background. Support Rachel, and cheerfully applaud as she makes out with her hot boyfriend. That is one great bff, not even a small shudder of sadness for his stepbrother. All on the altar of Rachel, and the rest of his heart on the altar of Blaine. Maybe the writers will surprise me, maybe without the bitterness at other sites I can hope for something better for Kurt that lasts more than a couple of episodes. Right now, feeling very tired of all the meanness.

I don't even hate Rachel, or Blaine, I am just tired how they are portrayed as desirable, ultra talented in every way possible, and the best you can get as a significant other. I like the vast majority of the characters to varying degrees, but I am tired of the double standards, the lack of consequences .Santana's endless diatribes never getting a smack down herself, except when Finn outed her, is a huge complaint of mine. If she used her power for good, protecting the Glee kids, I'd be an admirer, but she mistreated those who were supposed to be "family" Just like Mercedes described ND as "family" but then proceeded to form the TT to get more star time. I have never seen ND as family, and there were barely any friendships. I got tired of tell me, not show me. So it is the writers I blame, not the actors, or even the characters. It is the one dimensional thinking, how to get that funny line in there. I am still hoping with all the planning they put into this season that they will remember to give Kurt an occasional win, and not just at the beginning of the season. I don't want him to win all the time. I am okay with Kurt being fallible, in fact, I prefer it. I just want him to remain valued, and not just brought out to give them the occasional honest emotional moment.

Great post. I agree with it 100%,espeically the part that starts , If they allowed a Kurtsie to .I am mainely a luker over at GF now, but am thinking about stopping going there altogether.

[ColferInspired]

Such wonderful posts here. I just love all you guys.

[fantastica]

and I want a happier fan life. I want to share my love of Chris/Kurt w/ like minded people. that's all I want, that's why I am here. If I beign a fan means getting elevated blood pressure every week or having to fight to get my point across, then it's not healthy anymore. In a couple of years when Glee is over and we all look back, all we will have is memories. I prefer to have a good memory.

[fantastica]

marie, your reaction to the Scientist is just like mine. I didn't know hemo was in it because i wasn't pay attention to anybody else.

[brisallie]

^

I did. Because she came right after Chris in the song lol never before I heard them to sing that close, or I never put attention.

Oh My. I'm afraid his line will be cut on Thursday, you know is like his curse please not!

[sahhar]

and I want a happier fan life. I want to share my love of Chris/Kurt w/ like minded people. that's all I want, that's why I am here. If I beign a fan means getting elevated blood pressure every week or having to fight to get my point across, then it's not healthy anymore. In a couple of years when Glee is over and we all look back, all we will have is memories. I prefer to have a good memory.

THIS.

[valkeakuulas]

^

I did. Because she came right after Chris in the song lol never before I heard them to sing that close, or I never put attention.

Oh My. I'm afraid his line will be cut on Thursday, you know is like his curse please not!

I dared to listen to Scientist and also did notice HeMos singing because it came after Chris. I am not going to say she was not good but because for me their voices are simply entirely in different houses (tonally and strenght) it was actually funny because I actually just noticed how very good Chris really sounded in his little bit. His voice was more 'full' and powerful?

[fantastica]

i always think chris' voice is very full and rich like melted butta!

[Divalicious]

Kurt is a main character. TPTB knew they needed to have a strong base in NY, and popular as Rachel is, they need more than one person in which to write stories around. Which is why Kurt got there so fast, and I think his particular place will enable Santana to show up in NY. With 3 very popular characters there, they can wait for Finn. So Rachel and continue to get closer to Brody, sleep with him, and likely find out he is a douchebag, at which point Finn will be in NY for the rest of the season.

Chris can do all of it equally well, drama, comedy, singing, angst, sadness, joy. All of it. You believe every bit of it. All the others can do things well to varying degrees. Cory is very good at drama, but angst, not quite as much. Great at comedy, but joy, not quite as much. Naya I believe the fiesty to the nth degree, but her vulnerability is a bit off. Once Chris is there all sorts of stories open up, because even if he isn't the center of it, he can be the sounding board and prop to make it believable from somebody else. He is their go to person, like Matt, who is misused much worse than Chris.

People can convince themselves all they want that Chris is playing himself, and that is why he does it so well, but with all of the interviews, and recent modeling, it becomes less and less believable. It kind of shows that certain other people actually do seem to be playing themselves more and more, but that remains acceptable for whatever reason they care to give it this week.

Okay, diatribe over, back to discussing Chris' voice. I hope they allow Kurt his one line, and don't think they will cut anything, because this song is servicing 8 characters, that is pretty huge. I can't remember the last time that many people got part of their story told at the same time. Usually it is duets, or even a group song is lead by one person. With eight, I think they will leave everything in. Especially when half the singers only get one line, to remove that, while 3 sing most of the song would cause a lot of rage. Well, not from me, because I am staying in my happy place, here, and will buy the iTune, replaying the few chords that involve Chris over and over.

Chris' voice is wonderfully rich, and feels warm. I swear you can bask in it and get a tan, without all those dreadful damaging sun rays.

[tanita_mors]

yeah, i think his line will stay in.

[coxfire]

There is an ethearal quality to Chris voice that is really enjoyable, and it really shines in his line. I like the fact that he doesn't necessarily belt to still express emotions and bring something more to his songs.

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