Re: Kurt Hummel Snark & Bark Thread--Part 4

[Buenos]

P.S- While on the subject of clothes, I hope Kurt's wardrobe changes a little next season when he's in NYADA and starting his new life in New York. I hope it becomes more mature, still stylish, but mature.

I actually want a scene where Kurt walks into a NYADA classroom and all the guys are basically wearing "Kurt" outfits and suddenly Kurt realizes he isn't in Ohio anymore......

[fantastica]

i hope they made kurt's wardrobe more "outragious" next season. after all he's in NY, the fashion capital of the western hemisphere.

[brisallie]

I actually want a scene where Kurt walks into a NYADA classroom and all the guys are basically wearing "Kurt" outfits and suddenly Kurt realizes he isn't in Ohio anymore......

Do you want to see him having a heart attack? Ok I'm overreacting with the heart attack but at least he's gonna faint, I meant I still remember the shock faces of Kurt and Rachel when they saw the other wannabes in PPP.

[Jellyrolls]

P.S- While on the subject of clothes, I hope Kurt's wardrobe changes a little next season when he's in NYADA and starting his new life in New York. I hope it becomes more mature, still stylish, but mature.

I actually want a scene where Kurt walks into a NYADA classroom and all the guys are basically wearing "Kurt" outfits and suddenly Kurt realizes he isn't in Ohio anymore......

But the problem is that did happen in Ohio--at the NYADA mixer. But seeing as this is Glee, and they can't keep continuity going from one episode to the next, I'm sure they don't remember what happened in episode 3.1 so it could happen.

[Buenos]

I'd also settle for Kurt having a moment like the "rolling Stone" photo shoot, aka accidentally stumbling into a Leather bar and ordering a drink!

[E-ko]

I think the bow-tie, gelled hair, no socks thing is actually a fashion-look, if not high-fashion. At H&M they'll have one of those looks up as their ads pretty much every spring/summer-season. But I think you need a certain kind of 'model-charisma' to pull it off and not look like (as Buenos pointed out) a senior-citizen or a toddler. Unfortunately, Darren doesn't.

Ugh, I noticed too that they have this kind of things at H&M.

I think as well that you need the 'attitude' for that kind of clothes. Plus, IMO, those my-house-just-got-flooded type of pants don't suite short people well (not that this is Darren's fault haha) and the gel lowers (? is it the right term?) him even more.

Ha! Ia, Darren just looks weird in them. The funny thing is though, that Kurt has worn capris-or-w/e-you-call-them without socks plenty in the first season (and if I'm not mistaken he has sometimes worn them in s2 and s3, too), yet through Chris' general Kurt-demeanor he managed to make Kurt look dignified, fashionable and sharp. But then Kurt doesn't let clothes wear him, he wears them, and that's probably the most important thing about being a fashionista.

[fantastica]

kurt wears high fashion that's part of his character. he's a fashionister. why the hell is blaine also dressed the same?

[sahhar]

kurt wears high fashion that's part of his character. he's a fashionister. why the hell is blaine also dressed the same?

Because the costume designer and Blarren are too lazy to come up with a distinct look for the character. So just copy and paste someone else's .

[Buenos]

I agree so much that Kurt "wears" his clothes rather then the other way around. Chris Colfer while he may be required to wear some WTF clothes at time, always looks at ease with his clothes. He never looks embarrassed or his clothes ill fitting.

[sahhar]

I agree so much that Kurt "wears" his clothes rather then the other way around. Chris Colfer while he may be required to wear some WTF clothes at time, always looks at ease with his clothes. He never looks embarrassed or his clothes ill fitting.

The difference is Darren wears them like he's wearing costumes for a job, like he's Darren Criss wearing Blaine Anderson's costumes, whereas Chris wears them like he's wearing clothing in real life, like he IS Kurt Hummel wearing his daily clothes and not just Chris Colfer wearing Kurt Hummel's costumes.

[sheny]

(The irony is that Fox doesn't seem to realize that it's the "gay" aspect of Blaine/Darren character that give him a special unique appeal, otherwise he's just a shorter Finn/Sam variation)

It's sort of the same problem when the show presented Finn as the most talented male vocalist in season one, but once we got to hear Kurt, Artie sing more and with guest star Groff and Puck coming into the scene, that premise sort of collapsed also.

Chris/Kurt usually gets some dialogue interaction in most episodes and show dropped the ball badly in not actually making Kurt and Blaine a "power couple" in just giving them dialogue and normal couple interaction (not necessarily PDA's ) on a regular basis. They could have had comic adventure, dramatic adventures, etc, during the year, but instead we got the long drawn out NYADA angst fest for Kurt, the fizzled out Warbler/SEbastian ARc with Santana front and center, and the "Karofsky/suicide needing Kurt" pretty pain porn. The show is hesitant to show Klaine as

The most telling double standard IMO was the Christmas episode. IN the context of the show not giving them any PDA's or close interaction before that other then "The fist time" , the whole tongue in cheek premise of the "bachelors and best friends" seems cruel in context now. The satirical point of a wink/wink couple only works if in Glee " real life" you have them being able to be a couple, so using a 60's format to separate them was really an insult to the audience. (they could have shown them off camera actually engaging as a couple and then the "joke" has genuine bite to it).

I'm not sure how the split narrative is going to work in Season 4. With or without Blaine, I don't think the writers want to give Kurt an adult love life with someone and I'm hoping against hope that they at least concentrate on his career goals/dreams/school life. I"m nervous that he'll be comic fodder for Rachel's dreams/ambitions but in order not be just that, Kurt and Rachel need another support cast of secondary characters.

100% agree with everything you said.

[sheny]

... His few outfits from Season 2 were absolutely perfect. They should have kept that look for him, junior or not.

P.S- While on the subject of clothes, I hope Kurt's wardrobe changes a little next season when he's in NYADA and starting his new life in New York. I hope it becomes more mature, still stylish, but mature.

You know one thing I noticed in "Choke" was the fact that Blaine was dressing up similar how he was dressed up in season 2 and it made me frown and ask to myself "Where are his bowties?" Possibly the costume department was experimenting which style fits better to him but though his current style is horrible and seems uncomfortable, he's well known and mock by his bowties hahahaah

I'm sure Kurt's wardrobe gonna be awesome next season because if we see through the seasons, his wardrobe has grown up next to him :D For a second I felt like a proud mom

In the last episode when Kurt was showing them the video from Vocal Adrenaline's performance Blaine was wearing what he had worn in BIOTA and almost seemed like a different person just sitting there. It's amazing what difference these little things make. I wish they would just stick to a look for him, it's all over the place.

Argh, whatever, Kurt is what matters to me at the end of the day, why waste energy on what they could have done with Blaine, I'd need to write an essay on that .

Blaine really looks better when he is not wearing boe ties. Sometimes he looks just ridiculous in his old man clothes. I still can't forget that big pink bow tie from episode 2 this season. It almost blinded me. When I saw him in the last episode 'National' at McKinley during the celebration I asked myself "Why is he dressed like my grandfather?". He has no particular style. One day he is dressed like 70 year old man, the next day he is like 20 years old young man, but certainly he never looks like 17 years old teenager.

[Emile]

Blaine really looks better when he is not wearing boe ties. Sometimes he looks just ridiculous in his old man clothes. I still can't forget that big pink bow tie from episode 2 this season. It almost blinded me. When I saw him in the last episode 'National' at McKinley during the celebration I asked myself "Why is he dressed like my grandfather?". He has no particular style. One day he is dressed like 70 year old man, the next day he is like 20 years old young man, but certainly he never looks like 17 years old teenager.

It's something you really can't forget. I was laughing like a crazy.

Spoiler:

[Jellyrolls]

Blaine really looks better when he is not wearing boe ties. Sometimes he looks just ridiculous in his old man clothes. I still can't forget that big pink bow tie from episode 2 this season. It almost blinded me. When I saw him in the last episode 'National' at McKinley during the celebration I asked myself "Why is he dressed like my grandfather?". He has no particular style. One day he is dressed like 70 year old man, the next day he is like 20 years old young man, but certainly he never looks like 17 years old teenager.

It's something you really can't forget. I was laughing like a crazy.

Spoiler:

With the striped shirt and the green suspenders, it almost looks like a clown outfit.

[Delight]

Especially what Kurt has lost, despite being brave by being true to himself. Season four better have some whopping payoffs.

The show certainly has short-changed Kurt many, many times when it came to payoffs. In season 2, Burt nearly died of a heart attack, Kurt was made into a victim of bullying, and later got crowned Prom Queen as an attempt at public humiliation by his schoolmates... What pay-off did Kurt actually get in the end? A boyfriend to dance with him at prom. And the chance to sing a duet in a competition which he eventually lost. There just isn't ANY personal victory for Kurt in that season. In season 3, Kurt was denied a singing role in WSS, was back stabbed by Rachel, was made to lose against Brittany of all people during the senior presidency elections, was portrayed as a poor applicant for NYADA, was made to feel guilty because of Karofsky's suicide attempt, was made to endure all of Sebastian's barbs... All these, and his one and only victory was to excel in his NYADA audition. I probably would've forgiven the writers if they've made any attempt at all to let Kurt have his victory against Sebastian. But no, Kurt didn't even sing a friggin' line for the entire Regionals competition. And he got only one or two Klaine lines in the Nationals competition.

I also think there's something to be said about Blaine being gay representation, tbqh, of the 'not-Kurt'-kind. The amount of comments that now finally there was a 'passing' gay guy who didn't shove the fact that he's gay in their face really seemed an undercurrent to everybody being forgiving of his myriad of character-flaws (or justifying them with elaborate headcanon) just because he's the one they absolutely want to identify with and/or lust after.

So IMO they have tried to straddle the character in trying to make him more "macho" ie, the boxing scenes, ...

Glee is sending a mixed message at best, trying to label Blaine as a 'passing' alpha gay who's 'one the the bros' and who also excites lady parts. How can they claim this, and yet have Blaine dressed up with a pink bowtie as shown below?

Spoiler:

Too much telling and not enough showing, Glee, and you're not convincing anyone .

Ugh, I hate it when TV shows try too hard to manipulate what I feel and think about its characters. I can really do without all the Blaine and Rachel worship that goes on in the show (using other characters as megaphones shouting out this 'fact').

[BlueJazz]

Ugh! Seeing all those Blaine-wearing-ridiculous-outfit pics makes me wanna bleach my eyes. I hope they change his style next season. Those outfits make the character even more unlikable I sincerely hope Kurt is not the one who gives Blaine fashion advises this season.

I agreed so much with Delight that the show has been short-changing Kurt for years and it's just awful and such a bad message for all those effeminate guys out there. I think it's their way of saying "Sorry, your life will be shitty if you're Kurt" They sure have done a marvelous job in sending that message.

I think I'll tweet "Free Kurt from Klaine" after the finale if Klaine don't break up. Anyone wanna join me ?

[Delight]

I think it's just a fact that Glee is absolutely horrible at relationships, chemistry and/or PDA be damned, which is why I would want nothing more than for Kurt to remain single and fierce for the rest of this kriffin' show.

That's true. Look at how the Finchel drama played out throughout the 3 seasons.

I find Kurt's romantic relationship to be the biggest failure among all his relationships with other people. Even his relationship with Sue is more interesting to watch, in my opinion. The writers had the chance to develop the Klaine relationship this season and they've wasted it. Thanks to their ineptitude (and Darren's inability to rise above the crappy material they've given him), I've completely lost interest in it.

I kinda wish that the writers wouldn't go near Kurt's love life (and thereby mucking it up big time) in the next season. If they do plan to go near it, I hope they at least have the decency to break up Klaine and give Chris/Kurt someone better to work with. Kurt needs a more mature boyfriend to have storylines with; storylines that won't make me tear my hair out in frustration.

That is why Chris Colfer, Lea Michelle and Cory Monteith are so vital to the show, because no matter the crap they are required to wade through, they manage to bring the exceptional acting and energy to the table.

Good acting can save the character for me. It's the reason why I can stand Finn, but not Blaine, even though they both have their moments which qualify them in the running for douchebag of the year. Or maybe this has more to do with my being a fan of Kurt instead of Rachel. Does anyone here know if staunch Rachel fans love or hate Finn, in general?

So the Blaine character's only other development at times seems to come through song, and the problem with that is that in song the Blaine character seems a bit over the top and even a caricature. While that can be appealing and entertaining, it's limited how much genuine development you can get from that IMO.

Blaine gets no character development from his song performances. None. Chris, as Kurt, usually sings his songs in a way that conveys an emotion, or tells a story. The few times that Darren, as Blaine, tried to do the same (e.g. when he sang STIUTK with Cooper, or when he sang INRBIO at Kurt)... Let's just say my opinions of his performances are not the least bit flattering. On a more positive note, I can tolerate Darren's acting face better than most of his performing faces.

I'd also settle for Kurt having a moment like the "rolling Stone" photo shoot, aka accidentally stumbling into a Leather bar and ordering a drink!

I second this. Oh, the comedic potential of such a scenario!

For those of you who haven't had the chance to feast your eyes on this funny pic:



Hmm... now that I have the chance to look more closely at this photo... red pants, high-riding pant-legs, bow ties... It kinda reminds you of someone, doesn't it?

I think I'll tweet "Free Kurt from Klaine" after the finale if Klaine don't break up. Anyone wanna join me ?

I don't have twitter, but others in the forum do.

Be mindful that there is a possibility that you may get angry tweets from Klainers in response. Jellyrolls has had to endure quite a few rude tweets from such people already.

[CloveGlee]

I think a Free Kurt tweet campaign, if it works at all, will make the character look HORRIBLE. It will be entirely his fault and it will be nasty.

[Divalicious]

I don't think we necessarily need to free Kurt from Klaine. Yeah, I know, it isn't popular here, but with the separation, the lack of interest in having gay relationships progress, I don't think romantically things will change for Kurt anyway. Even if he were free, I doubt they would really have him date. What I want is Kurt to have his own friends, outside of Rachel, in NY. I am really hoping the SJP character, who is listed as a mentor, isn't actually associated with the school. That she meets this fabulous young man and decides to bring him into NY society. He is eye candy, after all. Kurt gets to go to parties, and make connections, she gets a cute guy on the arm who will make no demands except that they go shopping together. I am tired of the romances taking center stage. When I look back on television programs I've watched, the exceptional friendships are what I remember, not who loved whom better etc. Kurt is a great friend, and I hope to really see that next year, and to have his ability to make connections with people open their eyes to his value as a performer. It would be a great contrast to Rachel, who is so driven, but does so independently, not as a team player, to see Kurt excel and she doesn't, because talent is a big part of making it, but it isn't everything.

The mantra of Kurtsies everywhere, "If you are going to dream, dream big."

[BlueJazz]

I think a Free Kurt tweet campaign, if it works at all, will make the character look HORRIBLE. It will be entirely his fault and it will be nasty.

Oh, this might be true. Thanks for the warning beforehand. Wow, I guess I can tweet about Kurt's stuff except his relationship, then ? So, do you guys think I should tweet it at all ? just need some opinion as I've never been in any fandom before Glee.

[Buenos]

I don't think we necessarily need to free Kurt from Klaine. Yeah, I know, it isn't popular here, but with the separation, the lack of interest in having gay relationships progress, I don't think romantically things will change for Kurt anyway. Even if he were free, I doubt they would really have him date. What I want is Kurt to have his own friends, outside of Rachel, in NY.

I agree, the problem for Kurt isn't "Blaine" or "Klaine", it's that the writers haven't developed him further. I do think that getting him away from the high school/Lima and to New York could be a step in the right direction. His "journey" is being true to himself while he makes his way in the world , and unlike Rachel, I don't think Kurt equates success in life with being the "star". To me Kurt is more about the importance of self expression , of being heard and respected.

Which is why his New York adventures shouldn't be a "joint" venture on the road to stardom with Rachel, even though they share a lot of attributes, they are different in many ways. I would rather it be Kurt discovering things about himself removed from the small world of Lima, and surprised what he finds out about what he truly wants with his life. In Lima it was all about his being gay, and in New York it hopefully will encompass more than that.

[BlueJazz]

Sigh...Sometimes I feel like I don't belong to Glee/Kurt fandom at all. There're so many complicated stuff that I'm so unfamiliar with. Maybe it's best that I leave it as soon as possible. It's making my head hurts

(Sorry for the negativity)

[fantastica]

I agree not to campaign to "free" kurt. I don't want them to give us another middle finger by making something horrible happen to kurt, and even if he's "free", it doesn't mean he gets to date fabulous people. we are not talking about writing a fanfic here. they are making a show w quotas on how many gay characters they can have. there can only be one gay (male) couple on this show excluding rachel's dads, or some 1 second quick glances of others (like Karofsky's dream sequence). klaine can never be free to date anybody else and form their own couple. at most only one of them will form a temporary couple w/ someone else, and the dating must be limited in showing any romantic affection.

this is why i don't think Sebastian is coming back, except during sectional/regional competitions w the warblers. there's no way they are going to bring him into ND unless the goal is to pair him up w blaine, and then kurt would be left single, which isn't bad but I am sure us kurtsies will have a field day because the implication that kurt is unable to attract any other gay guys. Seblaine would also be a disaster, because at best it will match klaine. what's the point of having different gay couples if they are limited by network policies or writer's abilities? the best they can do for a gay couple is show them in long term commited (and boring) relationships! now that's doing the LGBT community a service! right now klaine is doign exactly that and by having them in different physical locales it also solve the problem of not being able to show PDAs. they are not going to have their main gay characters lie and cheat and sleep around for sure. so what are really trying to achieve here by "freeing" kurt?

[Emile]

Sigh...Sometimes I feel like I don't belong to Glee/Kurt fandom at all. There're so many complicated stuff that I'm so unfamiliar with. Maybe it's best that I leave it as soon as possible. It's making my head hurts

(Sorry for the negativity)

Yeah, I can totally understand you. Sometimes the Glee fandom is not so thrilling, always raging about the same stuff because unfortunately this show never learn. Do what you want to do, but don't you get an headache because of Glee.

Away the negativity.

[Glorfindel]

Sigh...Sometimes I feel like I don't belong to Glee/Kurt fandom at all. There're so many complicated stuff that I'm so unfamiliar with. Maybe it's best that I leave it as soon as possible. It's making my head hurts

(Sorry for the negativity)

Don't be discouraged. This is a crazy fandom indeed, but most people are nice.
Tweet whatever you want, a lot of people do. Personally I only tweet RIB+ when I have a really serious issue/problem with the writing (3-4 times this year), and then I only do that for myself: to unload/vent. But I try to stay polite and not use a demanding tone, because I don't think that will help, and whoever I'm tweeting I keep in mind that it is still another person I'm contacting, with feelings too.

Another organised (agressive) twitter campaign will only bring trouble, I fear (as Claire said). But there is nothing wrong with a lot of people noticing the same thing at the same time and bringing that to the writers' attention. Or trying to make a positive Kurt tag trend, as has happened a couple of times over the last few months.

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Personally I don't mind Klaine still being together in season 4. A long distance relation still means that Kurt and Blaine will not interact much on screen (with Kurt standing in Blaine's 'can pass' shadow), and Chris and Darren will not have to act so much together; and those are my main concerns.
Kurt can still be fabulous in New York: he was fabulous in his independent storylines in season 3 too.

I'm more concerned about season 5: when Blaine will come to New York too. I don't want a repeat of season 3, when it comes to song hogging and everyone fawning over Blaine in Kurt's school and choir. But maybe by that time they have learned how to use Blaine well: in small doses.

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