Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread--part 4

[BlueJazz]

^ After all these analysis, I think we can safely say that RIB doesn't give a damn about Kurt anymore Just like what Kim said previously. It's too obvious to doubt that after S3. I think only fans are hoping for a bright future for kurt right now (based on the poll result on broadway.com), while the writers only want him to fail for reasons that only God knows (I suspect it's for their pleasure).

[BlueJazz]

marie: do get some sleep. there's nothing you can do to change kurt's fate now. the only reason you think anybody would doubt your love for kurt/chris is because you didn't sleep enough so your judgment start to get cloudy. i know I am like that when I don't sleep enough.

Yup, I agree. Marie, don't sacrifice your health for this trainwreck. It's not worthy to do that. I admit that I didn't sleep well because of this but I still try my best to get rest.

[fantastica]

^ that's what I meant by "shocking" results. we all know rachel will get in. but none of us expects kurt to get rejected. that's the shock. again this provides contrast to rachel. rachel is the true star beccause despite the obstacles (choking) she made it. yay! that's her ultimate underdog story.

[Delight]

I think the policy was to shove more characters on Glee to the foreground by using Kurt/Chris as a catalyst, to get better ratings for episodes that featured those other characters heavily, and media attention for their actors. Of course it hurt Kurt/Chris in the process.

I also get the vibe that Kurt had been used this season to promote and support other characters more often than not.

The writers just don't realize that in order to keep people invested in Kurt, they have to allow him some victories as well. You can't keep beating down the gay kid because you know it'll make people who care about him cry. There comes a point where some of us have no intention to continue witnessing the ongoing character assassination of Kurt Hummel, and will choose to stop watching Glee because of this.

[Emile]

I think most of Chris's fans reacted the way you do, because, after the disappointing that was the last episode, see Chris excited about Kurt's next season SL was sure a bit upsetting. But blame him for this is another story (and tweet him about this is just stupid), becasue he has no fault!
We can disagree with him (we all have different opinions and sure his are not always and universally shareable), but the writers change their mind as the wind turns and Chris has nothing to do with how they write Kurt. At the Upfronts he was relativity happy about his character's SL because it was his job to be: he was there to sell enthusiasm about next season. [/font]

I think most of Chris' fans were indeed disappointed on the way Kurt's story line ended and specially about him not getting resolution. I was. But I doubt most of Chris' fans were upset at him. A lot were intrigued and playfully calling him "trollfer" cause of course he would tease but not confirm anything.

Yesyes, I expressed myself badly. I didn't mean upset AT him. But, after the disappointment of the episode, I didn't share his enthusiasm at all. And when, in one of the interviews, he said something like "the fans are going to be happy" for next season SLs, I couldn't help but think: LOL okay, sure I can't be more unhappy than I am now for Kurt.

[tanita_mors]

I'm wondering how many scenes post rejection of Kurt got cut. Because we all know they filmed them but for some reason unknown to the rest of humanity decided that those scenes are less important then on which chair Finchel asses will sit at the weeding.

In a way I'm conflicted. Give all we have seen and the trend on the show lately, I don't want to have any big expectations for next season, it could be the same shit all over again. But given how Kurt's storyline ended, using the logic of pretty much any other show, you expect that a large chunk of next year will be him overcoming this rejection and either choosing to pursue it till he get in or choosing something else (ideally, if he ends up in fashion I would want it to be his choice, that he can have either PA or fashion and she chooses the other).

Personally, if you ignore the fact that his screen time may be cut down (in which case I'm selectively downloading), Kurt's storyline really can't get any worse next year. Not for me. He has failed at everything, had no agency in his own story-lines, was a prop for Blaine, Santana and Rachel.

[tanita_mors]

You know, Chris probably knows more then he is telling. And lets face it, fans are all different. I know many who are happy he is out of NYADA and will maybe go into fashion, there are us who were pissed off by the final, they are those who are happy that he can stay with Blaine forever and ever ,..... Maybe he is exited from an actor point of view, rather then stoyline one. Maybe he was promised a full blown success storyline my RIB next year. Maybe Kurt will go the way of Chris himself. Maybe Kurt will do it all. Who the hell knows.

[BlueJazz]

^ Really? Is there any Kurt's fans who is happy after the finale? Or you mean non-Kurtsies? From, what I've read, I haven't saw any Kurtsie who's happy about Kurt's treatment on the show. Even Klainers are mad. I don't think those who are happy that he could stay with Blaine now are Kurtsies.

BTW, is there any coming Glee event (like comic con) this or next month? I think they kinda owe the fandom an explanation.

[Jellyrolls]

^ After all these analysis, I think we can safely say that RIB doesn't give a damn about Kurt anymore Just like what Kim said previously. It's too obvious to doubt that after S3. I think only fans are hoping for a bright future for kurt right now (based on the poll result on broadway.com), while the writers only want him to fail for reasons that only God knows (I suspect it's for their pleasure).

The writers have him fail not for their pleasure but because Chris is such a fantastic actor, he can powerfully convey the emotions of the failure. Chris makes good powerful TV moments in a way that no one else in the cast does.

One of the best quailities in Kurt, in my opinion, is that they don't have him wallow in self-pity too long when he fails. He comes out of each obstacle thrown in his way stronger, and having learned from it. That's what gives him growth and character.

Even in that last scene when he's on the train platform waving goodbye to Rachel, his smile said so much about where Kurt is--something that you can see because of Chris. That wasn't a happy reach the eye smile like you saw after the NYADA audition, or when he was getting the texts from Chandler. That was a sad smile that showed while he was happy for his friend, he was hurting for himself. Even in the uncertainty of his future, he still was a good an supportive friend.

I'm not going to waste 4 months worrying about what's going to happen with Kurt because I do believe that there are good things ahead for him. Kurt will come through with something fabulous for sure

[dap1217]

Next season could be worse,tho.
Kurt may be dumped by Blaine,lose Burt by another heart attack,lose his lima bean job,get robbed,have no home cause his house got fire,be raped and finally lose his mind or get killed next season,you know according to what happened in season three,I wont be surprised glee does go there.At this point I really hope the writers write Kurt off,let Kurt die in an accident or something then they will never fuck him up again.

[tanita_mors]

^ Really? Is there any Kurt's fans who is happy after the finale? Or you mean non-Kurtsies? From, what I've read, I haven't saw any Kurtsie who's happy about Kurt's treatment on the show. Even Klainers are mad. I don't think those who are happy that he could stay with Blaine now are Kurtsies.

BTW, is there any coming Glee event (like comic con) this or next month? I think they kinda owe the fandom an explanation.

I know a very devoted Kurtsie at GF who hated the NYADA storyline with a passion is glad it's over. He/She isn't glad of the way he was rejected of course, but couldn't care less about performing arts and hopes that now he will turn to fashion. That GMMR girl said the silver lining of his failure was that at least Kliane will be together.

As far as I'm concerned, there is no silver lining and those kids need to get their heads out of their doomed high school relationships and think about the futures. If we ignore his bad reaction in Props, Mike and Tina seam like the most sable and believable couple in ND. The rest are far to dysfunctional and badly matched that they could only exist in fantasy land.

[tanita_mors]

Next season could be worse,tho.
Kurt may be dumped by Blaine,lose Burt by another heart attack,lose his lima bean job,get robbed,have no home cause his house got fire,be raped and finally lose his mind or get killed next season,you know according to what happened in season three,I wont be surprised glee does go there.At this point I really hope the writers write Kurt off,let Kurt die in an accident or something then they will never fuck him up again.

And Chris Colfer will get an Emmy,Golden Globe and a Sag for such a masterfully bad Kurt storyline. And when he is out, he will right the true story of who fucked,sucked or buggered whom for roles, plot lines and fame and what happened after the twettergate. I can't bloody wait. Bring it on.

[Delight]

Maybe Kurt will go the way of Chris himself. Maybe Kurt will do it all. Who the hell knows.

I wonder if it's another case of writers getting 'inspired' by the actor portraying the character again. After all, Chris auditioned unsuccessfully for 4 years before he got his big break with Glee.

BTW, is there any coming Glee event (like comic con) this or next month? I think they kinda owe the fandom an explanation.

I hope there is. Then I would relish the spectacle when an irate fan pelts the writers with rotten fruit .

The writers have him fail not for their pleasure but because Chris is such a fantastic actor, he can powerfully convey the emotions of the failure. Chris makes good powerful TV moments in a way that no one else in the cast does.

That's true. That's what makes the whole experience of watching Kurt fail again and again so much more difficult to endure

I'm not going to waste 4 months worrying about what's going to happen with Kurt because I do believe that there are good things ahead for him. Kurt will come through with something fabulous for sure

I just hope that the writers would allow good things to happen to Kurt before the show gets cancelled. If Glee endures for the whole 7 years that the actors are bound by contract, they may yet continue kicking Kurt in the balls for the next 3 seasons before allowing him his victory in the final 7th season.

Okay, I'll stop my barrage of pessimistic talk for now. But I have to say, all this venting is therapeutic...

[Emile]

Next season could be worse,tho.
Kurt may be dumped by Blaine,lose Burt by another heart attack,lose his lima bean job,get robbed,have no home cause his house got fire,be raped and finally lose his mind or get killed next season,you know according to what happened in season three,I wont be surprised glee does go there.At this point I really hope the writers write Kurt off,let Kurt die in an accident or something then they will never fuck him up again.

And Chris Colfer will get an Emmy,Golden Globe and a Sag for such a masterfully bad Kurt storyline. And when he is out, he will right the true story of who fucked,sucked or buggered whom for roles, plot lines and fame and what happened after the twettergate. I can't bloody wait. Bring it on.

I'm SO wating for this to happen!!

Even if I think Jenna would be the best to tell these stories: the asian girl in the shadow who finally get her deserved revenge by throwing mug on everybody.

[Shinra17]

I'm a member of p_f, but I don't always read all the posts, so I haven't seen these comments. Yet, indeed, some of us there can be very overprotective of Chris. I've no idea if the people who made those comments were talking about you specifically. Perhaps, in general, they were talking about so called Colferites who actively /blamed/ Chris for what happened to Kurt and spoke harshly to him or about him. At least those are the ones I refer to when I say that' Chris doesn't need his fans turning against him. But disagreeing with Chris does not mean being a bad stan or not being loyal to him, of course, if people are not rude about it. I read some of your posts about why you were disappointed and, to be honest, I don't really understand why his happiness about Kurt's future is disappointing to you. Also, I wouldn't call him "tactless" for it. But each person see things from a different perspective and, again: disagreeing with Chris is no crime. I surely disagree with him about not wanting to record a solo album and I also disagree with him about calling Carson an inspirational character.

Actually, I've read these posts and you don't have to go very far to find other cases of people displeased with Chris's attitude in interview: there were comments on P_F saying that Chris was constantly "lying" in interviews. It seems to me much more logical that the discussion there refered to these posts than Marie's ones here

I'm not a fan of her, but I don't actively dislike her. I'm indifferent, but she surely makes me roll my eyes a lot. To me, she's simply another ambitious startlet, who'll probably climb high with her methods. I've said before that, to me, she's a lot like Darren Criss, as Rachel is a lot like Blaine. About these last two, that's why I don't really understand why some people push for "hummelberry" (gosh, how I dislike that portmanteau) so much and hate klaine with such passion.

I'm doing the same parallel, guess how I'm "actively" thinking about her

Pfft. They failed. Everyone knew Rachel was gonna get into NYADA. What I allowed myself to believe, despite my original concerns when he didn't get a right out "yes" after his audition, was that he too was going to get in.

Actually, what striked me is something Chris said in an interview, that kurt was waiting to know if his performance was good enough to get a yes from carmen. I was like "because it's not sure???", so without saying I was expecting it, I can say I wasn't totally surprised when I learn it.

Next season could be worse,tho.
Kurt may be dumped by Blaine,lose Burt by another heart attack,lose his lima bean job,get robbed,have no home cause his house got fire,be raped and finally lose his mind or get killed next season,you know according to what happened in season three,I wont be surprised glee does go there.At this point I really hope the writers write Kurt off,let Kurt die in an accident or something then they will never fuck him up again.

And Chris Colfer will get an Emmy,Golden Globe and a Sag for such a masterfully bad Kurt storyline. And when he is out, he will right the true story of who fucked,sucked or buggered whom for roles, plot lines and fame and what happened after the twettergate. I can't bloody wait. Bring it on.

lol that's right. We just need Glee to compete in the drama category for the awards

[Vir Cotto]

When I click on this thread, the first post, in big bold letters, says "Hummelberry in New York". It's so depressing. We had such hope just a few weeks ago. Now, I don't want it anymore because I'm so over Rachel.

I hope Kurt has as little to do with her as possible next season. Seperating his storyline from her would be the best thing that could possibly happen. Santana can be her new sidekick now that they decided they were BFF's in the last 30 seconds of the season. Hey, Santana can show up at NYADA and so impress everyone with her magic, scratchy voice that they create a 21st spot just for her!! She's the new Kurt after all (and Naya's sleeping with one of the writers).

What? Too bitchy for this thread?

[Buenos]

I always liked Naya Rivera but for the life of me proppin her up as Rachel's friends is so telgraphing that they are going to be BFF's in New York together.

My big fear is that Kurt will be stuck for the beginning of season 4 in Lima for a mini arc of getting out. The reason for that IMO would be to prop up the Ohio Scenes. If they have him visiting the choir room do-wopping in the backroom while Blaine leads New Directions in musical numbers there will be no teeth left to grind.

[Catt24]

I'm on my phone since I am at work, but I wanted to say that just because we're Kurtsies & CC fans, does not mean we do not have a diverse set of opinions, which is great. The season finale left a lot to be desired since Kurt's arc was an afterthought at this point, and I know have serious reservations in watching season 4 at this point, it's because of the writers and Fox-not Chris. Chris may have a vision for Kurt than us the fans, but unless Chris was promted to the writers payroll (which after seeing SBL he should be), then the responsibility lies with Ryan & company. They are ultimately are the deciders regardless if he asked for anything Kurt related. As for Chris speaking against the writing in public would be the kiss of death at this stage of his career. Just like I have to tow the line at my job (and I do more than I like with policies & personalities), Chris has done the same imho.

My issue with the finale has been just as others have stated. If Kurt was not intendked for NYADA, it would have been nice if they had set up a narreative to indicate that Kurt had other interest like fashion, or a backup plan for God sakes! After the last three episodes of Kurt being reduced to Rachel's "bst gay" sidekick (Ugh!), I will be all happy as heck if Kurt went into fashion because that
would be his own thing arc. And I'm somewhat ocuptimistic with season four due to the recent casting spoiler.

[Jellyrolls]

I always liked Naya Rivera but for the life of me proppin her up as Rachel's friends is so telgraphing that they are going to be BFF's in New York together.

My big fear is that Kurt will be stuck for the beginning of season 4 in Lima for a mini arc of getting out. The reason for that IMO would be to prop up the Ohio Scenes. If they have him visiting the choir room do-wopping in the backroom while Blaine leads New Directions in musical numbers there will be no teeth left to grind.

Oh, if they are going to this, can they make Rachel a leasbian too?

I still refuse to think that Kurt is staying in Lima. His goal has always been to get out of Lima. He won't let this stop him from leaving.

[Glorfindel]

I've slept, I'm not mentally unstable anymore.
Thanks guys.

Yesyes, I expressed myself badly. I didn't mean upset AT him. But, after the disappointment of the episode, I didn't share his enthusiasm at all. And when, in one of the interviews, he said something like "the fans are going to be happy" for next season SLs, I couldn't help but think: LOL okay, sure I can't be more unhappy than I am now for Kurt.

Same here. I'm not upset at him, I just had this "What are you saying?" moment. But I get where he's coming from.

Actually, I've read these posts and you don't have to go very far to find other cases of people displeased with Chris's attitude in interview: there were comments on P_F saying that Chris was constantly "lying" in interviews. It seems to me much more logical that the discussion there refered to these posts than Marie's ones here

Thanks, Shinra. That sets my mind at ease.....
......and 2 hours of sleep helps too.

Actually, what striked me is something Chris said in an interview, that kurt was waiting to know if his performance was good enough to get a yes from carmen. I was like "because it's not sure???", so without saying I was expecting it, I can say I wasn't totally surprised when I learn it.

I got suspicious when Kurt got the 1st letter (in 'Michael') and Burt said to him that no matter what happened next, Kurt had already won and they couldn't take this away from him. Like that succes was a milestone and Kurt's victory was already there, with him getting into the final round against all odds. That was foreshadowing.
But then I got lulled back into believing when he nailed his audition and Carmen mentioned that a Tony award winner would be as impressed as she was. That praise really should have been left out, it would have made much more sense. A simple tiny smile from Carmen and "Thank you, next." would have been better.

I'm wondering how many scenes post rejection of Kurt got cut. Because we all know they filmed them but for some reason unknown to the rest of humanity decided that those scenes are less important then on which chair Finchel asses will sit at the weeding.

I also think they cut some scenes that would have explained more, or at least have given us some more comfort.
Maybe they even filmed 2 endings: one where he gets in, one where he didn't. They do that often when they don't want a storyline/cliffhanger/resolution spoiled by the crew and actors. Didn't the actors only get the script on the final day? The final day was that letter opening scene, because Lea, Chris and Cory were the last ones to still film, and the BTS picture showed Chris in that outfit.

In a way I'm conflicted. Give all we have seen and the trend on the show lately, I don't want to have any big expectations for next season, it could be the same shit all over again. But given how Kurt's storyline ended, using the logic of pretty much any other show, you expect that a large chunk of next year will be him overcoming this rejection and either choosing to pursue it till he get in or choosing something else (ideally, if he ends up in fashion I would want it to be his choice, that he can have either PA or fashion and she chooses the other).

Actually: Kurt getting the major cliffhanger means that he is important, 1st tier. And he was the only kid besides Rachel who got a solo song in the finale, plus the first one of the kids with his own little voice-over segment on the show. This is telling me that he still is important and his storyline will matter next year.
I'm more afraid how they will write and execute his storyline next season, than afraid of Kurt losing screentime or becoming less important (although he will probably sing less). I don't think I can stand a 20 seconds "Update y'all!" explanation at the beginning of season 4 and a "Lol, I'm into fashion now"-Kurt-skipping-happily-in-New-York scene.
They already robbed us from his and his loved ones reactions in the finale. I don't want them to give him a brain transplant over the summer, similar to Blaine becoming a bowtie/no socks wearing, insecure junior at the beginning of season 2.

I don't trust these writers.

Personally, if you ignore the fact that his screen time may be cut down (in which case I'm selectively downloading), Kurt's storyline really can't get any worse next year. Not for me. He has failed at everything, had no agency in his own story-lines, was a prop for Blaine, Santana and Rachel.

But, but, but, but.....he had sex with Blaine? That was a personal victory right?
(Not even kidding: that was the reaction of someone over on GF)

[tanita_mors]

But, but, but, but.....he had sex with Blaine? That was a personal victory right?
(Not even kidding: that was the reaction of someone over on GF)

To answer this, I'm quoting myself

As far as I'm concerned, there is no silver lining and those kids need to get their heads out of their doomed high school relationships and think about the futures. If we ignore his bad reaction in Props, Mike and Tina seam like the most stable and believable couple in ND. The rest are far to dysfunctional and badly matched that they could only exist in fantasy land.

Frankly, counting "sex with boyfriend" as a significant personal victory is down right pathetic. And for me, Kurt Hummel could/should never be pathetic.

[Glorfindel]

[tanita_mors]

It's been 3 seasons and I have yet to warm up to Santana. I like bitch-like characters in general, but she irritates me to no end. Also, all of Rachel's "female" friendships were artificially created and people like them because they secretly/openly ship them. All of them have this weird lesbian vibe that was present in "Popular" as well.

You can bet that if push comes to shove and Glee needs massive fix of ratings and media attention, Faberry or Pezberry will happen. They would go for a cheap thing like that. They already did in BIOTA and would have continued had the reaction not been so negative by pretty much everyone.

[Buenos]

Even "The first time" had Kurt feeling neglected and insecure becaue a douchebag was hitting on his boyfriend and of course Blaine was oblivious as ever.

I have to admit, Blaine's behavior was so bad in that episode, Sebastian had already told him he didn't mind sleeping with him behind his boyfriends back and just because Blaine assumed Kurt didn't know Sebastian was hitting on him he decides to dance all the night with Sebastian? Not cool.

But of course texting was "cheating."

[tanita_mors]

I think in this show, texting is a new capital sin. I mean - cheating by texting, texting and driving - you almost die, texting and walking - you fall into a fountain, hit you head and reality changes,...

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