Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 9

[ecka]

Crawford as in the character from Downton Abbey, I think, that's one of Chris's favorite shows.


This audio clip of Kurt, Rachel & Brody from Naked was released by Fox today (along with a couple of others, but this is the only one featuring Kurt).

http://daxterdd.tumblr.com/post/41833520923/kurt-rachel-and-brody-from-naked-source

[fantastica]

perhaps it's a good idea to skip the next episode.

[ChrisColferFan1]

perhaps it's a good idea to skip the next episode.

You may be right. I might DVR it, but not sure.

[Divalicious]

If I remember the tweet from the person who released this clip she said that she would release it if it were cut from the episode. So we have all the Kurt haters elsewhere waxing poetic on how horrible he is, when it may not even be in the episode. Even so, because I am a Kurt lover, I hear a friend who is deeply concerned over his friends rapid and aggressive changes. He is also taking offence on Rachel's behalf over the comment that she has to bare her breasts to get an Oscar. I don't see anyone berating Brody about that comment. I also think Kurt is being the voice of the audience which has been very loud about their displeasure over Rachel's changes. Another reason I don't post there anymore, plus the repeated postings that Kurt doesn't pay for his imperfections. I guess they don't remember no means no, singing with Kurt is poison, losing WSS, the class presidency, prom queen, losing NYADA. On and on and on. Just ignore what doesn't fit your mindset and focus on what does. Another reason I love this place.

[ColferInspired]

Here is an interview Chris did talking about Kurt. Thing is I think the Klainers will hate him even more. Not that he would care anymore.

INTERVIEW

I don't know if the link works but if not here is a transcription of what he said. I got this from Porcelain Fans.

It's interesting-- never imagined I'd be part of a power couple--that is one thing that never crossed my mind--I have issues with it--I don't know that I'm the best person for the job--I've always been an independent person and I always think of Kurt as an individual, not as half of a character, and my loyalty is always going to lie with Kurt and what's best for Kurt . A lot of fans get mad at me for that, b/c they love them as a *thing* But I mean they can be a thing for as long as they want, it's a television show, we're here to entertain an audience, they should have ups and downs just like every couple, I think it's a little fictional about how wonderful it is, it almost discredits them, it's not fun to say I love them in every scene...I think we've both enjoyed the separation, we can exercise the muscles we've stretched.

[sheny]

Crawford as in the character from Downton Abbey, I think, that's one of Chris's favorite shows.


This audio clip of Kurt, Rachel & Brody from Naked was released by Fox today (along with a couple of others, but this is the only one featuring Kurt).

http://daxterdd.tumblr.com/post/41833520923/kurt-rachel-and-brody-from-naked-source

Brody is an awful person. So according to him the only way for a woman to succeed in this business is by showing her boobs. Those who hate on Kurt because of what he says to Rachel instead of Brody who forces Rachel to do a half naked scene are morons. How exactly is this going to help her career it's just a stupid movie shot by college students. It will probably have the opposite effect and nobody will take her seriously after that.

[arina]

I think there is something true about Kurt hardly apologizing for his mistakes or bad behaviour but I think that's because he is often sort of the mouthpiece of he writers so they probably think what he says is right even if it's not imo. I would like Kurt to be less preachy, to do mistakes that are aknowledged as mistakes. I had isues with some things in the past and blamed it on bad writing but people who aren't the fans of him use every opportunity to bash him and there is always so much hatred afterwards if something like that happens. Like I said I didn't like some things either but the reactions are very exaggerated imo and I am not sure if the same things did different character it would case such pandemonium.

[ChrisColferFan1]

If I remember the tweet from the person who released this clip she said that she would release it if it were cut from the episode. So we have all the Kurt haters elsewhere waxing poetic on how horrible he is, when it may not even be in the episode. Even so, because I am a Kurt lover, I hear a friend who is deeply concerned over his friends rapid and aggressive changes. He is also taking offence on Rachel's behalf over the comment that she has to bare her breasts to get an Oscar. I don't see anyone berating Brody about that comment. I also think Kurt is being the voice of the audience which has been very loud about their displeasure over Rachel's changes. Another reason I don't post there anymore, plus the repeated postings that Kurt doesn't pay for his imperfections. I guess they don't remember no means no, singing with Kurt is poison, losing WSS, the class presidency, prom queen, losing NYADA. On and on and on. Just ignore what doesn't fit your mindset and focus on what does. Another reason I love this place.

Great points, Maybe, Kurt should of world it differently, but his heart was/is in the right place. Also, I doubt any other chacater would get as much hate.

[ChrisColferFan1]

Here is an interview Chris did talking about Kurt. Thing is I think the Klainers will hate him even more. Not that he would care anymore.

INTERVIEW

I don't know if the link works but if not here is a transcription of what he said. I got this from Porcelain Fans.

It's interesting-- never imagined I'd be part of a power couple--that is one thing that never crossed my mind--I have issues with it--I don't know that I'm the best person for the job--I've always been an independent person and I always think of Kurt as an individual, not as half of a character, and my loyalty is always going to lie with Kurt and what's best for Kurt . A lot of fans get mad at me for that, b/c they love them as a *thing* But I mean they can be a thing for as long as they want, it's a television show, we're here to entertain an audience, they should have ups and downs just like every couple, I think it's a little fictional about how wonderful it is, it almost discredits them, it's not fun to say I love them in every scene...I think we've both enjoyed the separation, we can exercise the muscles we've stretched.

Great quotes from Chris and I agree with him 100%. I still would if I ship Klaine. Most of the hate in my opinion will come from not Klainers, but Blaine Stans

[ChrisColferFan1]

Crawford as in the character from Downton Abbey, I think, that's one of Chris's favorite shows.


This audio clip of Kurt, Rachel & Brody from Naked was released by Fox today (along with a couple of others, but this is the only one featuring Kurt).

http://daxterdd.tumblr.com/post/41833520923/kurt-rachel-and-brody-from-naked-source

Brody is an awful person. So according to him the only way for a woman to succeed in this business is by showing her boobs. Those who hate on Kurt because of what he says to Rachel instead of Brody who forces Rachel to do a half naked scene are morons. How exactly is this going to help her career it's just a stupid movie shot by college students. It will probably have the opposite effect and nobody will take her seriously after that.

Agree 100%.

[ChrisColferFan1]

I think there is something true about Kurt hardly apologizing for his mistakes or bad behaviour but I think that's because he is often sort of the mouthpiece of he writers so they probably think what he says is right even if it's not imo. I would like Kurt to be less preachy, to do mistakes that are aknowledged as mistakes. I had isues with some things in the past and blamed it on bad writing but people who aren't the fans of him use every opportunity to bash him and there is always so much hatred afterwards if something like that happens. Like I said I didn't like some things either but the reactions are very exaggerated imo and I am not sure if the same things did different character it would case such pandemonium.

Ageee , good points. I doubt any other character would get as much hate. Kurt will get if that character was in the scene. And had the same lines. Hopefully, the scene will be cut.

[sheny]

Brittany/Sam Scene from 'Naked'

Choir Room Scene - ''Naked''

Tina's obsession with Blaine's body is kind of disturbing and creepy. It looks like the only reason for making this suggestion is to see shirtless Blaine dressed as Sexy Santa. Because cheking out somebody's ass and objectifying him makes it sound like true love. They just keep making me dislike Tina even more.

So this episode is practically all about somebody (Tina/Brody) forcing someody else (Rache/ND boys) to go half naked in front of a camera.

Full Performance of "Torn"

[ChrisColferFan1]

Brittany/Sam Scene from 'Naked'

Choir Room Scene - ''Naked''

Tina's obsession with Blaine's body is kind of disturbing and creepy. It looks like the only reason for making this suggestion is to see shirtless Blaine dressed as Sexy Santa. Because cheking out somebody's ass and objectifying him makes it sound like true love. They just keep making me dislike heTina even more.

So this episode is practically all about somebody (Tina/Brody) forcing someody else (Rache/ND boys) to go half naked in front of a camera.

Full Performance of "Torn"

Not liking Tina this season, The only thing that would make me dislike Tina even more, is if she knew about Blaine's cheating,and blame Kurt for it.

[MoviesAreLife]

I've seen Rachel's "Torn" on YouTube, and I enjoyed it. That song was constantly the radio during my childhood, so I have fond memories of it. Also, the number reminded me so much of the movie "The Black Swan"...the mirror images, seeing double, the dancers and dance studio in NY, the black/white coloring scheme, the theme of a little, repressed girl growing up sexually...I'm not going to post it, because it's not Kurt related. But it was a nice number, I thought. Lea harmonizes so well with herself, and the song takes one back to earlier seasons in a way....

I have very mixed feelings about Kurt's rant in the audioclip. First of all, starting with a shallow point, I gasped and covered my mouth to suppress a grin when Kurt called Rachel "slutty Barbie". Kurt is so mellowed out (which I normally love) in these later seasons, that when he does something out of character...like get mad, raise his voice, swear...it's kind of...hot, in a way. I probably sound like a stupid little schoolgirl...if Kurt were to act like this all the time (Kitty, Santana), I wouldn't find it attractive at all, but once in a while to show that he's human and that he has a temper? It's just...cool, in a way. I don't know how to describe it. I also had the same smirking reaction when Kurt called Carmen a "bitch" at Rachel's locker after the choking incident. He hardly ever does this, which I'm grateful for. But when he does do it every once in a blue moon? Awesome.

I'm going to ignore the idiotic statement Brody made, because he came across as a stupid fratboy who drools over boobs. I get it...I'm a boob girl, too. But have some class and show some respect. Pig.

I get where both Rachel and Kurt are coming from. I LOVE Kurt, of course, but I think that maybe he was (rightfully so) angry at Rachel asking Brody to move in without his consent, and took it out on his whole topless thing. I don't think it's a big deal, as long as it's tasteful and not some porno scam like in 1980's "Fame". Part of me agrees with Kurt, but part of me also agrees with Rachel. I'm in the same boat they are (trying to grow up and come out of my shell), so I get it. Rachel is right about people changing after high school, she can't stay a little virginal girl forever just because some people are scared of her budding sexuality/confidence. She is a young woman now. Also, Brody is right about some Oscar winning performances having sex or nudity in them. It's true that some of the more gritty, electrifying perfomances just so happen to have those adult elements in them, but not as a crutch like in a porn film with no artistic merrit. Real, honest to God wonderful films and theatrical productions sometimes have those things in there. It strikes a chord with people, because it is natual and a part of life. I'm sure Lea wasn't offended by "Spring Awakening". That scene was powerful and honest. Yes, Rachel is more or less a more "innocent" type of girl, but she still has to grow up a little. It's too Disney of her to turn down a potentially good role in a student film just because it requires a topless scene. And for Kurt to call in Santana, of ALL people, and Quinn to talk Rachel into preserving her virtue? It feels very afterschool special to me...maybe even sexist. Like it or not, dishonest and lowbrow or not, sexuality IS a powerful tool that a woman has in her corner.

Obviously, Kurt's maybe concerned about his best friend and her personality changes, and if Brody is a bad influence on her or not. I agree with Kurt on some points too. I'm kind of a prude myself, and (despite what I said above) I sometimes feel that truly talented women don't need to rely on sex in order to make it. Snobby, old fashioned and judgemental of me? Yes. It irritates me how some women and men rely on sexuality in order to manipulate people. For instance, I cannot stand Marilyn Monroe: I don't think she was a talented actress, just sexy. She used sex appeal instead of talent, and I don't respect that. Relying on sex rather than talent or intelligence or real effort just strikes me as weak, dishonest, manipulative and primal in a way that's scary. It's a cheap shot. It's like when a filmmaker relies on the cheap shot of preying upon our most basic instincts (sex, violence) in order to get us into the theater, rather than creating a great film through directing, storytelling, ect. That's what's wrong with Hollywood today: too many Kardashians and Hiltons, not enough Chris Colfer's. It makes me want to hurl. Yes, I can be a "slut shamer". This is why I don't want Chris to do a shirtless photoshoot. Frankly, he's too good for that sort of thing. I would, however, love to see him in a movie/role in which maybe there is a little sex/partial nudity required for the role/scene. I think it can be powerful and sexy, given the proper context.

Then again, I hope the student film isn't a porno and actually has a good story and that the nude scene has a reason behind it, and is not just there for the hell of it. Show business IS hard to break into...and even very talented actresses have gotten nude in order to break into it. Hopefully, that nudity is done in front of the camera in a tasteful, thoughtful, lifelike scene, and not on the director's casting couch.

I'm torn (ha!). I have both point of veiws inside of me that are battling for dominance. I get both sides of the argument. Part of me turns my nose up at sex and argues that sexuality, unless it's needed in order to enhance the storytelling, has no place in "high art" and that people who act like Courtney Love in order to get by in life are just whores and man-whores. I'm also struggling to comes to terms with reality and with being a young adult and a young woman. I can't be threatened by sexuality and remain a little girl forever. It's natural and healthy and a part of life (and art reflects life), dignity and virtue be damned.

Student films can be well made, they are educational in the art of cinema and give the cinema student/actor/actress more experience doing the thing they love. This is a stepping stone for Rachel, and a learning experience for her. (Remember Chris in that strange little Russell Fish movie he made in high school?) Everyone has to start somewhere. I don't blame her for not wanting to turn it down just because she has to bear her breasts a little. No one ever died from a little nudity. Just ask Halle Berry how grateful she is about making "Monster's Ball"! That movie is a beautiful one, her acting was outstanding, and it has one of the most graphic nude/sex scenes I've ever seen in a mainstream film. But it had context...it was not a porn film! And it just so happened to win Halle Berry the Best Actress Oscar!

[Glorfindel]

Jeez, these writers are awful.
I don't have time to write up a whole new post (I've got a review to write, right Kim? hehe), so I'll just copy mostly of what I wrote in the KHAT about this:

Kurt is a romantic, where "a touch of the fingertips is as sexy as it gets". For him it might not just be him disliking Rachel showing her boobs out of primness, but also just be a matter of taste (in what you like to see). E.g. Dutch movies often show nudity, and although I am not a prude, the cold and unflattering showing of naked bodies just because you can is not something I enjoy watching. I prefer a more romantic approach in movies.
What is a big discord in all of this is Kurt considering doing 'Music of the Night' in the nude last season, but we all know these writers are awful in continuity, characterisation and..... well, practically everything.

Part of it might also be it being a student film, not a film made by people acknowledged and respected in the business. Taking boobs out when it's functional and in a good story (like the actresses Brody lists, or Lea in Spring Awakening) is very different from an experimental film made by students.
BTW: Brody was wrong by saying you need to show boobs to get an Oscar. Many actresses would disagree. It is mysogynistic, for if women need to show their boobs to get an Oscar, what should men do to get one? (according to Ryan Murphy: take of their shirt every other episode and make a high school calendar)
But after looking on ONTD_Glee, according to some Kurt is apparently a douche for calling Brody out on that while 'slut-shaming' Rachel in the same line?

All this combined with Brody walking around the Hummelberry loft naked (which is very inconsiderate of him in regards to Kurt, for several reasons), and him even moving in without Kurt's permission, plus let's not forget that Rachel herself was very quick in telling Kurt that him joining the Apples would be career suicide, and I can understand Kurt being snarky (although to me he sounded sad instead of angry).
And lbr: he's not that wrong with calling Brody a (plastic) Ken doll, now is he?

After listening to that audio several times I can only say that it is horrible dialogue overall. All 3 are saying things that are wrong, and I'm afraid this will cause a lot of wank. Kurt should not have said that Rachel is "a serious actress" (implying that serious actresses don't do nudity, which isn't true), and the word "slutty" was not okay either. (OTOH: part of the fandom has been complaining about Rachel's 'cheap' new look like her hooker boots and short skirts, but now they simply forget about that because it's Kurt saying it this time?)
We all say things like this in arguments, sometimes badly worded or too strongly opiniated, and sometimes with a lot of other issues behind the words we say. Well, you know what I mean. But it shouldn't be written in a script like that without it being explained or resolved properly, and Glee will not do this properly, I fear.
If you take these lines at face value and pull them apart to analyze each word (and we all know how picky and meticulous this fandom can get), without any considerations for people being human in arguments, and without Glee itself handling it with care..... this could be a big mess.

P.S.: this fandom is very hypocrite.

[msjoanlucette]

^I have to agree with what both of you said. (Marie and Heather) [Is it okay that I call you by your names? :O )

I really hope the scene gets cut. :/ I don't really like how anyone was acting.

Also I'd like to add what's also really annoying is they're blaming Kurt for the makeover when she was basically dressed that way before and they only stopped dressing her that way was for that episode.

I feel like sometimes we take this show too seriously while the writers basically don't even care.

I really hate glee.

[Jellyrolls]

That audio click of Kurt, Rachel, and Brody sounds a bit odd to me. Is that from a clip that was actually filmed? It seems more like it could be from the table read for the episode. It doesn’t sound like the way I’d picture Kurt saying those lines, as he is calm with no edge to his voice, and it seems like there should be some anger or disbelief behind it. I just can’t picture Chris playing the scene this calmly. If it is a clip from the table read, it could have been cut because it doesn’t work, or it could have been modified to work better.

At any rate, I do think that Kurt would be doing the right thing to caution Rachel to against doing a topless scene on film for a college film. But it should be from the angle that she should focus on showing her talent, and proving herself as a capable actress before she considers taking her top off, especially in a non-professional student film (because we all know that type of stuff has a habit of creeping out and embarrassing professional actors in the future).

Plus, Rachel has always been one who is insecure about her looks. She was always afraid to lose Finn to the prettier, sexier Cheerios. Even though she is dressing sexier and has a sexier haircut, it is a really big stretch for her to jump into taking her top off on film at this point.

Which leads me to the next point. I love that video of Torn and how they filmed it—making it be about new Rachel being at odds with old Rachel, and showing just how Rachel is conflicted within herself over who she has been and who she has become. Whether she makes the decision to do the topless scene or not, this is a big character growth for Rachel because she is identifying an issue within herself, really thinking about it, and hopefully will learn and grow from it.

The Bram/Figgy scene is so pathetic and embarrassing to watch it’s not even funny. What they are doing to Sam is just horrible—dumbing him down to Brittany’s level. It got really old with Brittany, and now it’s getting really old with Sam. I can’t believe that they waste screen time for that kind of crap.

As for the choir room scene, I can’t believe that it was Tina who suggested the calendar. The only thing good that will come out of that storyline is that hopefully Sue will be calling Finn out for agreeing to the asinine idea of a Men of McKinley calendar. It is inappropriate.

[ecka]

If I remember the tweet from the person who released this clip she said that she would release it if it were cut from the episode. So we have all the Kurt haters elsewhere waxing poetic on how horrible he is, when it may not even be in the episode.

Who/when was that? I ask because this clip (& the other ones that aren't Kurt that are on tumblr) supposedly all came from the Fox site, they are part of the press kit for the media day today for the 499th & 500th numbers being filmed. I can't see Fox releasing any of the clips if they are going to be cut, but maybe we'll get some more information on what's going on & the context in the episode what with the set visit being today.

Jellyrolls, I don't think that's going to happen with Sue & Finn. One of the other clips is a Finn & Sue scene where Finn tries to blackmail Sue over some risque pictures of her that he's found & she basically tells him to get stuffed, there's nothing wrong with the pictures & she's not ashamed of them.

[Glorfindel]

^The idea that that scene might be cut comes from this:

alexis ‏@gleeprincess07
If the scene gets cut I will let people hear it that ask for it but I don't think it will get cut and I can't post the clip on tumblr sorry

She is the one that also spoiled the dialogue before the clip got released. But if the clip is released by Fox themselves and not her we're screwed.
I find it hard to believe Fox would release 3 audio clips of the next episode, plus a song video (and RM already accidentally released another song video) plus 2 whole scenes. That seems like a little bit much to me. And they never released an audio clip before, did they? It's just so odd.

And I agree with you Karen, that Kurt sounds off in that clip, like he's table reading. If the clip indeed got cut this audio clip might be a rehearsal of some kind. (or maybe even Chris doesn't believe in the lines Kurt has to spout anymore)

*Holding on to straws*

The spoilers for the next few episodes are awful. This whole show is awful.

[MissSoniaPP]

Kadam tag is full of fanfics.
I only see Kadam fanfics in my dash

[Ranwing]

Oy, what a badly written scene. So many things to get angry at here.

I have absolutely no issue with nudity in film or on stage, and while I never had to be nude on stage I would have had no issues if a part I was playing had called for it. I also spent a great deal of time getting changed in communal co-ed dressing rooms so being naked in front of others, and having them naked in front of me is no big deal. And I have no problem with actresses who decide that they are willing to do nudity in their work (and likewise, I have no problem with actresses that refuse to do topless or nude scenes). Helen Mirin was famous specifically for dropping trou in pretty much every film she did when she was younger, while Sarah Jessica Parker was always filmed wearing a bra during sex scenes in Sex in the City. It's a choice each actress has to make in regards to what they are comfortble doing. It's not a big deal unless to the actress involved it is a big deal and going by all the clips and spoilers, it is a big deal for Rachel and she's not entirely comfortable with the idea - hence all the drama.

My biggest issue with this is just how much Brody is involved with pushing Rachel to do this film. If Rachel was given the offer and was wrestling with the decision with him being neutral on the subject, Kurt's comments would be a lot more negative to me but it's obvious that Kurt is trying to counter what he sees as the powerful influence Brody has on Rachel and how it's changing her (and not necessarily for the better). This isn't Rachel taking ownership of her body and sexuality so that she can do a nude scene if it fits in with an important scene. Brody right now seems to be the one owning Rachel's sexuality. She's not doing this because it's a fantastic part in an important film that could launch her career - she's doing it because Brody is telling her that she has to get used to doing nudity. That this he is telling her that it takes to be a professional and right now, she's taking every word he's saying as cardinal law. Pretty much everything she's doing now is being motivated by what Brody thinks is the way to do them. Rachel is losing herself in trying to make herself over into what she thinks (per Brody) a serious theater student/actress needs to be. And considering that she's only a freshman (and per canon just 18), she's got plenty of time to figure out what she's comfortable doing professional and what she won't do. Not doing one student film isn't going to make or break her career.

Now, as to the "slutty Barbie" comment that seems to have everyone so riled up, I'm going to put on my law classes cap and give Kurt a little bit of wiggle room here. He's not slut shaming Rachel, nor is he calling her a slut. He might think that she's acting "slutty", but again this stems to Brody's influence on Rachel. Inviting the guy that you've just started really dating a few weeks ago to move in with you isn't "mature" or the NYC way of doing things. It's just stupid. Wearing extremely short skirts and too much makeup isn't someone being grown up, but someone playing at being grown up. And I keep circling back to the idea that Rachel herself isn't so secure with this new identity that she's cooked up for herself (taking the dressing up that Kurt gave her to a very extreme, highly sexualized level), otherwise we wouldn't be getting the Torn duet with herself. Is she dressing like this and acting like this because this is who she really is now (which would be taking full ownership of her identity and actions) or is she doing this because she likes the response she gets as a result. Rachel is in no way a slut, as Brody is only the second guy she's ever slept with. But Kurt's exact phrasing, calling her a Barbie doll is specifically to seperate her current look and behavior from who she really is. And pegging that superficial identity to Brody's influence is not accidental.

I just really wish that someone else gets through to Rachel and we can let Kurt off the hook as being the guardian of Rachel's well being and self-respect. Because it's a pretty thankless job (with both Rachel and the fandom) and does Kurt no good at all.

[ecka]

I find it hard to believe Fox would release 3 audio clips of the next episode, plus a song video (and RM already accidentally released another song video) plus 2 whole scenes. That seems like a little bit much to me. And they never released an audio clip before, did they? It's just so odd.

And I agree with you Karen, that Kurt sounds off in that clip, like he's table reading. If the clip indeed got cut this audio clip might be a rehearsal of some kind. (or maybe even Chris doesn't believe in the lines Kurt has to spout anymore)

*Holding on to straws*

The spoilers for the next few episodes are awful. This whole show is awful.

Supposedly there are six audio clips (I haven't heard them all, I think I've heard four or five) for this episode and its not a new thing - Fox has been releasing them on their media site for years, it was just that no one knew they were even there until now. I bet that means we'll get a lot more of these leaked in the future now people know where to find them

[ecka]

I just really wish that someone else gets through to Rachel and we can let Kurt off the hook as being the guardian of Rachel's well being and self-respect. Because it's a pretty thankless job (with both Rachel and the fandom) and does Kurt no good at all.

Honestly, I think Rachel needs to decide what she wants to do for herself, by herself. Its no one else's job to get through to her, not Kurt, not Brody, not Quinn or Santana's either. The Torn clip seems to suggest she's got her own doubts & concerns, so leave her alone & let her figure it out for herself. That would be character growth for her & whatever she decides, yes or no to the topless scene, then Kurt & Brody should respect that decision & support her, whether they think its right or not.

[Glorfindel]

Supposedly there are six audio clips (I haven't heard them all, I think I've heard four or five) for this episode and its not a new thing - Fox has been releasing them on their media site for years, it was just that no one knew they were even there until now. I bet that means we'll get a lot more of these leaked in the future now people know where to find them

Oh.
There goes the last hope.

Why do they spoil so much? For one it ruins the experience of watching. And for second it takes a scene out of its context so much that people assume the worst, instead of it being a part of an entire storyline and people waiting for the story to unfold before jumping to conclusions.

At the moment this little scene can go in so many ways in its storyline, and stem from something that makes it all more fitting (although Glee is still written shitty). People are assuming Kurt won't get called out, that Rachel did not communicate enough with him about Brody, and truth is we don't know anything yet. We don't even know what kind of film these students are making, whether the nudity is functional or not.

This fandom seriously needs to grow up.


In the mean time: why am I not surprised that Ryan Murphy wrote this episode?

[tanita_mors]

i'm a firm believer that your whole body is your acting toll and coming from Europe, nudity was never a problem for me. it can elevate the scene if it has a purpose or cheapen it if it's there for nudity sake. racheal is a big girl. he should give her advice simply if he feels that she isn't ready for this step and is doing it only to impress brody. but at the end of the day, it has to be her decision and ultimately her cross to bear if she later regrets it.

i love pissed of kurt and he is losing his temper if he actually called them slutty barbie and misogynistic ken. i agree with kurt about brody. he basically said that the oscars those wonderful actresses got were because they showed their boobs and not that they gave brilliant performances. i'd slap his donkey face.

all in all, he can tell her how he feels, but weather or not she does it or not isn't any of kurt's business.

kurt and rachels relationship has always been kind of polarizing. they obviously can't do normal. they are either super bff's or at odds with each other that becomes nasty.

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