Re: Kurt Hummel Snark & Bark Thread--Part 12

[angelnessa]

The quote (bless you google!) was:

"I was pretty lucky. I grew up in a very cool high school. (…) I’m a pretty painfully positive guy, much to my own demise. But in high school, I had difficulty having any sort of resonance with the typical high school presentation in television and film and popular media. You know, the age-old stereotypes of the jocks versus the nerds and the theater geeks. I never really saw that categorical society hierarchy. Maybe it did exist in people’s minds - I think people actually see those movies and they project that into their lives.
For me personally, I did a little bit of everything - theater, sports, student government. I really felt I was friends with everybody. That’s not to say I was a popular kid, but I enjoyed everybody. Again that’s maybe my own fault of truly finding everybody and everything interesting.”

http://darrencrissnews.com/post/82158425344/interview-darren-criss-for-indie-magazine

I think he is talking about his own school experience but the phrase, 'I think people actually see those movies and they project that into their lives.' is the really dodgy part because, to me, that phraseology broadens it to beyond his own school. I am not saying that DC is malicious or evil, but I think that this is an example of what irks me about him and makes it impossible for me to like him. He talks and talks and talks; to me, he sounds in love with the sound of his own voice. I think he is one of those people that convinces himself that he is humble, but eloquent and self-aware, when actually he is often self-aggrandising, verbose to the point of incoherence of message and blindly privileged. I think that lack of filter and vision of himself is what leads to my frank dislike.

Oh, and in this interview he goes on and about his uselessness with social media. It is amazing how he got better at when it was a paid revenue opportunity with that Mobio-Indider (?) thing.   His disingenuousness makes me heave, tbh, and I was someone who strove 'to be fair' and to talk myself out of disliking him because I didn't want to run the risk of my Blaine hate blinding me or my dislike of so many of his fans obscuring my judgement... But, no, I just really don't like him.

You described perfectly all the reasons I don't like him either. I really believed getting his ego knocked down a peg or two, like after his PCA losses, would actually perhaps humble him a bit, but his mouth and his behavior seems even more off the rails since   .

[Buenos]

verbose to the point of incoherence of message

Yup, that sums it up.

[Ranwing]

The quote (bless you google!) was:

"I was pretty lucky. I grew up in a very cool high school. (…) I’m a pretty painfully positive guy, much to my own demise. But in high school, I had difficulty having any sort of resonance with the typical high school presentation in television and film and popular media. You know, the age-old stereotypes of the jocks versus the nerds and the theater geeks. I never really saw that categorical society hierarchy. Maybe it did exist in people’s minds - I think people actually see those movies and they project that into their lives.
For me personally, I did a little bit of everything - theater, sports, student government. I really felt I was friends with everybody. That’s not to say I was a popular kid, but I enjoyed everybody. Again that’s maybe my own fault of truly finding everybody and everything interesting.”

http://darrencrissnews.com/post/82158425344/interview-darren-criss-for-indie-magazine

I think he is talking about his own school experience but the phrase, 'I think people actually see those movies and they project that into their lives.' is the really dodgy part because, to me, that phraseology broadens it to beyond his own school. I am not saying that DC is malicious or evil, but I think that this is an example of what irks me about him and makes it impossible for me to like him. He talks and talks and talks; to me, he sounds in love with the sound of his own voice. I think he is one of those people that convinces himself that he is humble, but eloquent and self-aware, when actually he is often self-aggrandising, verbose to the point of incoherence of message and blindly privileged. I think that lack of filter and vision of himself is what leads to my frank dislike.

Oh, and in this interview he goes on and about his uselessness with social media. It is amazing how he got better at when it was a paid revenue opportunity with that Mobio-Indider (?) thing.   His disingenuousness makes me heave, tbh, and I was someone who strove 'to be fair' and to talk myself out of disliking him because I didn't want to run the risk of my Blaine hate blinding me or my dislike of so many of his fans obscuring my judgement... But, no, I just really don't like him.

Exactly. It's one thing for Darren to talk about his own experiences and had he expressed the caveat that he can only really speak about what his school since going to a private school is vastly different than public schools. He could easily talk about how it wasn't something that he saw in his particular experience. But by continuing the train of thought with "Maybe it did exist in people’s minds - I think people actually see those movies and they project that into their lives." - what he ends up doing is belittling and negating the very real experiences that others have gone through. It would be as if I made a comment about questioning if hunger actually exists at the level that it does because my family never was food insecure. Trying to make a blanket statement about an issue based only on his own experiences (which are not the norm) and ignoring the experiences of others as being equally valid really shows a short-sightedness that Darren has never been able to overcome.

I'll agree that a large reason that Darren often comes across so badly and selfishly in interviews is because he doesn't know when to shut up and he doesn't know how to talk without making it about himself. He can't even praise the accomplishments of his coworkers without turning the discussion about on himself. And there have been a lot of times when he's belittled the accomplishments and efforts of others in an attempt to build himself up.

I can't give Darren the benefit of the doubt before because it's just happened far too many times. Everyone misstates things at times, but with Darren it's a constant. And you sometimes reach a point where someone does something so often that you just can't excuse it any longer. I honestly don't think that Darren is capable of seeing beyond himself. When you have someone who is always putting his foot in his mouth and saying things that are self-serving and dismissive to others, I think that you reach a point where you just have to start thinking that maybe they're not socially clumsy and maybe really is an asshole.

[Glorfindel]

You summed up perfectly how I also feel about Darren, and why, Abi.

And isn't is kind of ironic that if he himself, his fans and quite some people from Glee (like Ryan, Adam Shankman and Mia) hadn't shoved Darren so much in our faces all the time we probably never would have known half of (the offensive stuff) what he says and does, and maybe therefore would not have built up such a resentment due to overload and too much information of a guy we're not really that interested in in the first place?  

[brisallie]

Everytime I read what Darren said makes me feel angry, because is something I've seen, so I know is not in people's mind. One thing is talk from his own experience, but another thing is talking from everybody experience; other people didn't have his life. Anyway, I'm here because your comments make me wonder if truly private schools are more free of bullying than public ones?

[fantastica]

what's the obsession w/ Darren Criss?    i wish he will just go away.

[brisallie]

what's the obsession w/ Darren Criss?    i wish he will just go away.

After Glee ends we won't hear about him again, as hopefully his fandom and ours take different paths

[Buenos]

Something that I came across on Tumblr upset me, the implication that Chris was making a moral judgement of fandom and fan fiction. Even Chris making a joke about fan fiction is “proof” that he doesn’t like fan fiction in the strictest sense.

One of Director Martin Scorcese’s most well know films from the 70’s , “TAXI DRIVER” had a scene involving the characters portrayed by Robert De Niro and Cybil Shepherd.

Travis , a lonely war veteran who works as a cab driver, becomes infatuated with a volunteer worker for a Senator, Betsey.
Betsey is seemingly a savvy New Yorker who somehow finds Travis interesting and accepts his tentative offers of friendship.

Cut to the chase: on a “date” he obliviously takes her to a pornographic movie in Times Square.

Now one can argue how probable or improbable that scene was, Betseys’s reaction, (she severs all ties with Travis despite the fact she knows before she enters the theater he’s taking her to a “dirty movie”) , but the one thing that stands out is that he’s so alienated from “normal” social functions that Travis doesn’t see the inappropriateness of what he did with Betsey as far as taking her to that skin flick. He doesn’t “get it” and reacts with anger afterwards over the injustice of how he’s being rejected by her.

Of course no movie is a direct and neat metaphor to most situations, but when it comes to social media, I don’t think I’m stretching things to say that the Travis’ of the world are the fans who are trying to force Chris Colfer to “see” their fanfic, their fanart, lecturing him on how to “mourn” for a colleague who has died, and in a sense are trying to drag him kicking and screaming to see the porno flick of their choosing.

Chris Colfer is an intelligent man, he knows that fandom and fanfiction exist and will thrive long after his time on Glee or his own stardom is done. So to me it’s irrelevant and missing the point to say that Chris doesn’t understand fandom or the “right” of fans to write fanfiction, ship who they like, etc.

The closest I have ever seen Chris Colfer “lose it” publicly was in this last book tour, when some Radio DJ’s sidekick persistently tried to dig in to Chris to supposedly reveal the dirt about the alleged fight between Lea and Naya on set. His visceral reaction showed how much he values not only his privacy but that of others. I get the feeling it’s the act of trying to involve him directly with their fandom in those specific directions that offends Chris. Those directions are so apparent it doesn’t’ have to be spelled out, does it?

To those who don’t grasp that, I suppose they will continue to take their dates to the porno flick of their choosing.

And yes, I’m being deliberately opaque for now.

[Georgette888]

 

'...for now' ???  

[Ranwing]

I've been in various fandoms for a long, long time, going back to the time when you had to keep fanfic and fanart on the down low because there were show runners that were very quip to slap people with cease and desist orders in order to protect their artistic property rights. So the fact that we are in a time when shows recognize that the fandoms are their most loyal fans and allowing us to enjoy our art and stories (so long as we're not financially profiting from it) goes a long way to building deep fan loyalty. And they've accepted that all this and produced work is the best free advertisement that the show can possibly get.

When I was involved with The Sentinel fandom (still have tons of zines at home), the show runners and the actors were pretty cool with all the fanfic and art, including the slash/yaoi stuff. And the fans were respectful and cool about not shoving it in the actors faces (though when Richard Burgi saw some of the more explicit art at a convention, he was highly amused). But that's what made it work - mutual respect.

The brats in the Klaine/Crisscolfer fandom don't just want tolerance. They want approval so they'll go out of their way to make sure that the actors are aware of what they are doing and will literally shove their stuff under their noses to make sure that they see it. Now, in all fairness they are not the only fandom that has boundary issues but it seems that while other fandoms have a minority of idiots that don't respect boundaries, with Klaine and Crisscolfer, it's the overall majority.

[brisallie]

Is known that all fandoms, or most of them, have smug fanfics and fanarts. So for me what make the difference is how fans handle this, some are respectful, and though they share their works on internet, mostly on tumblr, are still cautious to not tag the actors or ask other fans to please keep this within the fandom. And by other side, we have those who don't respect this code, and expect actors to approve what hey have done, if not they feel they have been despised, and I've to add that I suspect they don't know the meaning of 'boundaries'.

[brisallie]

I've been wondering the same lol

[Buenos]

I don't pretend to deny that all fandoms have a-holes and whacky and scary fans, including Chris.

Having said that , Maybe I'm naive or something , but I've never quite encountered a fandom like Darren's where a subgroup flood another actors individual tumblr names and tags to such an extent that it seems to go just one way. ( ie Colferites don't swamp Darren's individual tags even though they could)  

IMO Those are some particularly "special" folks in that subfan group unique only to them and as a self confessed member of different Fandoms that is a high bar.  

[ColferInspired]

[Ranwing]

This really encapsulates just how badly Glee has gone off the rails. It's one thing when you screw up the stories of supporting characters, but when your main character's storyline is so badly fucked that you alienate a large portion of the audience that has been following from the very beginning.... well, there's no going back from that.

[ColferInspired]

[bayth]

In response as to why Darren hasn't taken the ice bucket challenge.... Maybe, he's worried about showing off this bald spot.

[Jellyrolls]

In response as to why Darren hasn't taken the ice bucket challenge....  Maybe, he's worried about showing off this bald spot.    

I won't lie. That crossed my mind as well. (or maybe he got plugs and can't put ice water on them).

[angelnessa]

In response as to why Darren hasn't taken the ice bucket challenge....  Maybe, he's worried about showing off this bald spot.    

I won't lie.  That crossed my mind as well.  (or maybe he got plugs and can't put ice water on them).

The plugs part is exactly what I've been thinking, though it's just speculation. I had a relative get them, and his scalp was sensitive for quite a while. Darren has had this nice long hiatus without much on his schedule to get them done, if that's what he did. It still doesn't explain why he won't at least acknowledge the nominations he's received though.

[Jellyrolls]

As I said, I don't particularly care if he does it or not, but I do think it's out of character for him not to. To each his or her own.

[valkeakuulas]

Plugs or no plugs, I've been generally wondering why the water has to be poured to the head. It still gives the same effect when you splash it to your chest and back, especially the back and neck.

[fantastica]

just wait. Darren absolutely will do the challenge. take my word for it. it's a matter of time. he may be timing it for something, and/or is working on the location/props/staging/scripting to maximize the drama/shock value. seriously, it's too good a PR opportunity to miss. Darren is no fool. he will definitely do it. just wait. he will come out w/ a bang - or enough bang to wet his stans' panties.

[ChrisColferFan1]

just wait. Darren absolutely will do the challenge. take my word for it. it's a matter of time. he may be timing it for something, and/or is working on the location/props/staging/scripting to maximize the drama/shock value. seriously, it's too good a PR opportunity to miss. Darren is no fool. he will definitely do it. just wait. he will come out w/ a bang - or enough bang to wet his stans' panties.

It would not surprise me even a tiny bit,if the above happens.

[Glorfindel]

So Max Adler can stop talking now, imo. 

In all his recent interviews I've seen so far he's raving about Glee being such an important show, and that the writers do the storylines and characters so much justice with their brilliant writing.   

I know he's only towing the party line and trying to create some buzz for himself too, and I even kinda like the guy, but... jeez.

[Buenos]

We'll Max has always been like that and his detractors have always derided him for that. He promotes the hell out of himself and milks his Glee connection like nobody's business, I sort of give him grudging kudos for that.

He's trying to create buzz for his appearances and I'm sure gets inwardly chuckling at all the fans who loathe his character. Karofsky was never triggering to me.

Still wonder how they were suppose to wrap up his character in Season Four, with the Dave/Blaine/Sebastian appearance. I suspect they were going to make Dave and Sebastian a couple, just a weird hunch.

I do think this Karofsky SL will be as much wrapping up things between Kurt and Dave, just another hunch.

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