Re: Kurt Hummel Snark & Bark Thread--Part 11

[Glorfindel]

Okay, thank you.  I agree  with  him 100%. Evan if I did not I would  respect his right to have  his  own  opinions.  

^This. So much for freedom of speech.  

Lol, wouldn't it be great if the Klainers' whole whine of "Kurt and Blaine are engaged, they're going to get married, so fuck off!!!!11!!!!!" would blow right up in their faces if RIB were to break them up again?
(Not that I think that's gonna happen, but being engaged to get married is not a very solid, written in stone reassurance in real life, let alone on a Murphy show.)

I retweeted Aussiello's tweet to show my support.

[Jellyrolls]

Some Klainer put together a gif set of Kurt looking out the window, and Blaine crawling through the window, and said, "Kurt looking for his superhero since season one."   

[YaoiChick]

Some Klainer put together a gif set of Kurt looking out the window, and Blaine crawling through the window, and said, "Kurt looking for his superhero since season one."    

I saw it too (I think it was your reblog or someone elses   ), and the first thing I thought was Kurt doesn't need a hero. Never has. Never will. And even if he did, Blaine is not a hero, he is a child playing dress up.

[Buenos]

Someone on another forum fantasized about the show temporarily breaking up Klaine this year  and then FOX cancelling Glee before they could reconnect them for marriage.    

I wouldn't go that far, but I do think that they are going to have to try to shake things up somehow if they are supposedly living together in the city.

My own spin , with 1.0 demos who cares anymore?   Just go hog wild and have them (implied of course) just fucking 24/7 in the loft apartment and acting like horny teenagers, and I dunno, actually doing things together.   In all seriousness, what does the show possibly have to risk at this point.   Audience share and ratings?    

[brisallie]

@Buenos, hahaha you have a point there. As not many people are watching Glee, is the opportunity to risk, who will care is they do something inappropiate?

P.S I've a friend who started to watch Glee ( I should warn her to not keep watching) and she told me she loves Kurt

[ColferInspired]

@Buenos, hahaha you have a point there. As not many people are watching Glee, is the opportunity to risk, who will care is they do something inappropiate?

P.S I've a friend who started to watch Glee ( I should warn her to not keep watching) and she told she loves Kurt

That is the same with others, they watch the first season and full in love with Kurt.

Fox knew the ratings would be crap.

Remember these episodes were shot last year, so they would not be of any sort of good quality, except for a few small parts.

[brisallie]

I'm sorry for this, but I need to vent it.

There's a thing I don't like about klainers and is the fact they believe Glee discriminate Klaine so that why we don't get so many scenes about them, or simply because they prefer the straight couples. It might be true, but have they ever thought there're not so many scenes because there's not chemistry or only a half of klaine is able to deliver the scenes? I'm sorry for being too non-klainer, but I don't like when they see themselves as victims.

I personally believe that a gay storyline could have potential or lots of scenes if is were well written and acted.

[ColferInspired]

I'm sorry for this, but I need to vent it.

There's a thing I don't like about klainers and is the fact they believe Glee discriminate Klaine so that why we don't get so many scenes about them, or simply because they prefer the straight couples. It might be true, but have they ever thought there're not so many scenes because there's not chemistry or only a half of klaine is able to deliver the scenes? I'm sorry for being too non-klainer, but I don't like when they see themselves as victims.

I personally believe that a gay storyline could have potential or lots of scenes if is were well written and acted.

You are correct.

[Jellyrolls]

I'm sorry for this, but I need to vent it.

There's a thing I don't like about klainers and is the fact they believe Glee discriminate Klaine so that why we don't get so many scenes about them, or simply because they prefer the straight couples. It might be true, but have they ever thought there're not so many scenes because there's not chemistry or only a half of klaine is able to deliver the scenes? I'm sorry for being too non-klainer, but I don't like when they see themselves as victims.

I personally believe that a gay storyline could have potential or lots of scenes if is were well written and acted.

Great post! I do think part of the reason they keep Klaine apart so much is because one half of Klaine can not deliver in the scenes. Though klainers say that Klaine has tons of chemistry, I haven't seen much since early season three.

[Jellyrolls]

Someone on another forum fantasized about the show temporarily breaking up Klaine this year  and then FOX cancelling Glee before they could reconnect them for marriage.    

I wouldn't go that far, but I do think that they are going to have to try to shake things up somehow if they are supposedly living together in the city.

My own spin , with 1.0 demos who cares anymore?   Just go hog wild and have them (implied of course) just fucking 24/7 in the loft apartment and acting like horny teenagers,  and I dunno, actually doing things together.    In all seriousness, what does the show possibly  have to risk at this point.   Audience share and ratings?    

On the other hand, if they have nothing to lose, why not screw what the shippers demand and write the story that they want instead of what the shippers want? Why not let Kurt and Blaine live their own lives apart because despite what the Klainers think, Klaine is not a good pair.

I'm still hoping that RIB does screw the Klainers in the end, and makes Klaine split permanently. I really hate the thought of the show ending with Klaine married because I don't think that's a happy ending for Kurt. Kurt is too important a character who has had an impact on too many viewers to make his story end with marriage to a boy who treats him like Blaine does.

[Glorfindel]

I'm sorry for this, but I need to vent it.

There's a thing I don't like about klainers and is the fact they believe Glee discriminate Klaine so that why we don't get so many scenes about them, or simply because they prefer the straight couples. It might be true, but have they ever thought there're not so many scenes because there's not chemistry or only a half of klaine is able to deliver the scenes? I'm sorry for being too non-klainer, but I don't like when they see themselves as victims.

I personally believe that a gay storyline could have potential or lots of scenes if is were well written and acted.

Great post!  I do think part of the reason they keep Klaine apart so much is because one half of  Klaine can not deliver in the scenes.  Though klainers say that Klaine has tons of chemistry, I haven't seen much since early season three.  

It's not only the lack of chemistry imo, but mostly the inability of Darren to act a more serious, dramatic scene.

They tried a more dramatic Klaine scene a few times in season 2 and 3, and it was awful. So after those experiences they paired up Kurt with Rachel and/or e.g. Burt whenever  there was something serious going on in his life.
At the time it was also done so Kurt would be completely isolated and without help from his bf (as you'd expect), struggling alone in his storylines (like with Karofsky) as Glee loves to see Kurt suffering on his own, but I believe after DWS they also realized how bad the Klaine scenes always turned out because Darren made Blaine look worse with his acting choices while Chris made Kurt more relatable (and therefore 'right' in their arguments).

After a while it became really obvious that Darren could not act in serious scenes so they just gave Klaine some saccharine scenes exchanging platitudes of love or full of longing looks from there on, and kept them apart when it came to the rest of their lives/storylines.
And I expect the same to happen again after Blam moves to New York: Kurt will get the dramatic storylines, with Burt and Rachel being his confidants and discussion partners, while Blaine sits next to him mostly silent, holding his hand and giving him his puppy eyes stare. And when they possibly fight the heavy lifting will be all Chris too, while Darren will sing.

I agree that the gay PDA is obviously limited, and that's not okay, but imo the reason why Klaine does not get scenes together is not because they are 'discriminated' and there's a double standard. It's simply because Chris has chemistry with anyone but Darren and acts circles around him (and it is painfully clear how bad Darren is in comparison).

[coxfire]

giving him his puppy eyes stare

I'll admit part of my dislike of Darren's acting is the "Puppy eyes" stuff. I never stand it on any character, but with Blaine, I feel like he always uses it to get a pass for him being a dick, and getting people to commiserate. And he overuses it. A LOT. and I want to punch him everytime I see his eyebrows start to triangulate.

Chris is the only one who brings subtelty and edge to the Klaine stuffs. I remember the scene where Kurt offers flowers to Blaine, and how Chris, with just his body language and a side look managed to make the audience understand "Kurt wants to kiss blaine but they still are in Ohio and it will not been seen with a great eye so let's refrain from that". I think it brought a nice nuance to an otherwise sweet-but-cheesy scene (btw, I didn't hate Blaine the way I do now, and at the time I really liked that Kurt was shown to be so mature about the situation, and liked the scene. Now, with all that happened after, I just see it as the show blowing smoke up Blaine's ass, and want to punch him, as stated above)

ETA: it also makes me laugh how some out there justify Darren's horrendous acting with "It is supposed to be OTT". Excuse me but OTT character is NEVER an excuse for bad acting. Rachel is by essence an OTT character and never did Lea make me feel like she was a bad actor. Ditto Jane with Sue. On the contrary, for the OTT to be effective, it has to be well acted. And Darren failed miserably in "Trio".

[Jellyrolls]

giving him his puppy eyes stare

I'll admit part of my dislike of Darren's acting is the "Puppy eyes" stuff. I never stand it on any character, but with Blaine, I feel like he always uses it to get a pass for him being a dick, and getting people to commiserate. And he overuses it. A LOT. and I want to punch him everytime I see his eyebrows start to triangulate.

Puppy dog eyes and sloppy drunk and creepy stalker are the only things that Darren really excels at acting wise, so that's why they always have to make him have heart eyes at Kurt (or Sam or whoever).

[coxfire]

Puppy dog eyes and sloppy drunk and creepy stalker are the only things that Darren really excels at acting wise, so that's why they always have to make him have heart eyes at Kurt (or Sam or whoever).

Or whining. Lots and lots of whining. That he masterizes.

[Glorfindel]

I'll admit part of my dislike of Darren's acting is the "Puppy eyes" stuff. I never stand it on any character, but with Blaine, I feel like he always uses it to get a pass for him being a dick, and getting people to commiserate. And he overuses it. A LOT. and I want to punch him everytime I see his eyebrows start to triangulate.

This too, yes.   

Chris is the only one who brings subtelty and edge to the Klaine stuffs. I remember the scene where Kurt offers flowers to Blaine, and how Chris, with just his body language and a side look managed to make the audience understand "Kurt wants to kiss blaine but they still are in Ohio and it will not been seen with a great eye so let's refrain from that". I think it brought a nice nuance to an otherwise sweet-but-cheesy scene (btw, I didn't hate Blaine the way I do now, and at the time I really liked that Kurt was shown to be so mature about the situation, and liked the scene. Now, with all that happened after, I just see it as the show blowing smoke up Blaine's ass, and want to punch him, as stated above)

We excused so many things that Blaine did back then, just because we waited so long for Kurt to have someone to love him.
Looking back at those scenes now everything is so different: in hindsight, indeed.

ETA: it also makes me laugh how some out there justify Darren's horrendous acting with "It is supposed to be OTT". Excuse me but OTT character is NEVER an excuse for bad acting. Rachel is by essence an OTT character and never did Lea make me feel like she was a bad actor. Ditto Jane with Sue. On the contrary, for the OTT to be effective, it has to be well acted. And Darren failed miserably in "Trio".

Ha, I saw that too. And it's not the first time they're doing it (Blaine's crying after singing 'Hopelessly Devoted To You', him as puppet master).

The thing is that it has to be very obvious that something is meant to be OTT, and yet still completely in character (so the audience isn't 'taken out' of the scene). I saw that in the old Rachel days (though not so much in 'Trio' tbh), when Santana searched the whole loft just for fun, and when Kurt was oggling dirty Santa, and it was sheer fun. The clear OTT tongue-in-cheek acting made it fun, and acceptable from the characters.

But every time they say that Darren was OTT acting it's never clear: the K(B)lainers say he's deliberately OTT, but the rest of the fandom doesn't see it that way or is at least doubtful, while others downright believe he's just that awful.

To be fair: this is also a Glee problem. Sometimes things are dead serious PCA's and sometimes the same things are just to be taken as a joke (like the slushying, bullying and violence). They used to be able to balance that well and blend the drama and the comedy together seamlessly. These days?.... not so much anymore, and certainly not when that has to be acted out by actors who simply cannot deliver (and I count Jenna and Chord here as well).
Besides Chris, Lea, Naya and obviously Jane being able to make that acting distinction very well, I thought Cory was good at that too.

[Jellyrolls]

Grrr!

Oh and can I just say that Darren and chords sudden interest in interacting with Lea on Twitter reeks of desperation. They are embarrassing.

It is going to be a long last 30 or 35 episodes of glee. What we put up with for our love for Chris.

[fantastica]

^ is it part of the marketing campaign?

[Buenos]

To Jellyrolls, Glorfindel and the rest of the board, I promise to be “good” and not bash or draw out other posters on other forums specifically (at least not that much)

I find it interesting that “some” are concerned about the upcoming possibly heavy dramatic storyline of Kurt being beaten up due to some sort of violent altercation.  Some are wondering why Blaine can’t get a heavy dramatic SL focused on him that and that instead we get another variation of Kurt being a victim and others crying for him and Kurt himself crying.  That Blaine in NY is in more need of character development and there is concern he is going to be relegated to supporting player with not enough POV.  So help me , and I quote  "why can't Blaine get bashed?"

Ok.  

Deep breath, 1, 2, 3, 4,……

The irony here is that this is a variation of the argument that Kurt fans have had about Kurt getting few songs, and this is an important point, especially in relationship to Blaine.

As a voice in the dark, I have always maintained that Blaine getting songs is irrelevant to the song output of Kurt, since before the character Blaine existed, Kurt’s song output was limited at best.  Case in point: Season 2  FURT where his dad got married and Kurt was the only ND kid not to sing…LOL

Blaine stans have always maintained that if the PTB wanted Kurt/Chris to sing more, they would have him sing more, but that the PTB are not invested in that.  Plus they maintain also that because the PTB like Blaine’s voice in song is why he sings more.  That that is something separate from Kurt/Chris.  It’s constantly used ad nauseum to counteract any complaints about song distribution.

Fair enough.

So by that same token, if Kurt gets heavier dramatic SL’s I argue that that is because the writers think that is his strength to have these SL’s,  just like they think Blaine’s strength is to sing a lot and run around with superhero outfits and puppets.   It has nothing to do with taking away from Blaine or not giving him a meaty SL because of Kurt.  It’s how the writers view each character and their development separately.

To those who complain that Kurt has had these stories before, I don’t see them gnashing their teeth that Blaine may still have future episodes where he sings multiple songs even though we’ve seen that plenty of times before.  So if they don’t whine that there are TOO many Blaine songs ever, why should  there be complaints of  Kurt having TOO many dramatic SL’s ?  (Let's not even get into how little actual screen time Kurt has had in the last 1 1/2 years on the show).

(FWIW, I do think the show wasted a whole year and a half of actually giving Blaine character development separate from Kurt when he was the front and center lead of the show at McKinley  and had most of the screentime and songs for S4 and S5.   So yea, I understand their complaints to a point.  Some of the more savvy Blaine stans grasped this problem, while others would rather have kept  him at McKinley High indefinitely with superhero outfits because he was the lead of the show there, both IMO reasonable if different positions for a stan. ).  I will be good and not mention how some to some character development for Blaine is the last thing on their mind.

The problem was that some wanted it both ways.  They loved the McKinley narrative because it allowed plenty of “The Blee” and only a few of them seem to grasp that most of the SL’s of Blaine even there gave him little character development outside of Kurt.  The one non Kurt  SL Blaine had, the “crush” on Sam was just a little strange IMO and didn’t really delve into Blaine at all.  

The show could have shown Blaine’s parents for example, with some conflict tension and conflict, or have Blaine shown why he wanted to get into NYADA separate from Kurt,  but that would have meant sacrificing one of his 50 solos, what the showrunners apparently think he is best used for.

However that is completely separate from Kurt now apparently finally getting a SL with deep dramatic and emotional impact.

Just like with the song designation, that is a complaint they need to bring up with the PTB/Writers why Blaine doesn’t get a lot of character development.

Kurt getting a SL like this  has more to do that everyone knows he will hit the acting out of the ball park and that even used infrequently, his character still is iconic and best used for this type of meaty stuff.  It has to do with how he has a rich and developed and touching relationship with his father Burt, one of the best ever on TV.  It has to do with the chemistry between Chris and Mike O'Malley. (it speaks volumes that Blaine stans always clamor for more Burt/Blaine scenes)

It has more to with the way Chris always portrays Kurt as "more" than a victim, and he can layer even such a brutal SL with nuances of the character.  It has to do more with how Kurt has been starved for a POV Storyline far too long on
Glee so focusing on him in NY now is more than timely.  It has more to do with the journey of Kurt, who even on the show is "too much" , doesn't fit into any box, and how that is something that still strikes a chord with the audience.   It has to do with IMO the best developed character on Glee who has one of their stronger emotional actors inhabiting him, in Chris Colfer.

Having said that, for the record, I’m still ambivalent about Kurt getting a SL where he gets bashed, but whatever.

In the end, whether you’re a Kurt fan or a Blaine fan  you want both  SL’s and song for your character,  so IMO bitching about how much the other gets is useless.

Ok vent over.

[fantastica]

i don't want blaine to get bashed. i don't want him to get anything. no songs. no stories. no nothin'. i am sick and tired of this character. no need to waste my brain power to analysis anything or to justify my feelings.

rant ova.

[Buenos]

Fantastica, what about my Naya???   

[fantastica]

what about naya? i have nothing to snark and bark about her.    i am glad to see more of her in NY. she can be bashed, pinched, swiped, mutilated for all i care. she is a fun character.

[Glorfindel]

I actually agree with you on this, @Buenos.
I don't know what you read or where, but I get the info and my 'feel' of the fandoms mostly from tumblr, and I've also seen several posts on tumblr of K(B)lainers wishing that it would be Blaine

Spoiler:

Anything, as long as it means that their precious Blainers is front and center in Kurt's first real storyline in ages.   

And this is a pattern: a lot of Klainers simply want it all. Just today I saw a post of an angry Klainer claiming that 'Give Me Just Another Reason' should be sung by Klaine, and it seems that last week the Wemma shippers got a lot of hate because their OTP got a storyline in 5x10, and the Brittana shippers got hate too for the 100th episode. When this is probably the last time Wemma and Brittany will have a storyline together!

They always seem to want more, they want everything, and when they don't get it they whine and complain. They begrudge other characters and ships their screentime and songs, saying it's "too much", and yet when it comes to Blaine singing all the time they defend that by saying that Darren is the best iTunes seller or whatever, and then they want even more.
They throw in a token request or two for a Kurt solo now and then, and yet as soon as a song spoiler is out they want Darren singing on it.   

And I don't even know why this is still surprising me, lol.   

[ColferInspired]

I would celebrate if Chris and Will were engaged.  

[opals]

You make a lot of good points, Buenos. The sad part is I feel like there was hope for his character in the beginning. He was the "mentor" that had been through a similar situation as Kurt's and regretted running from his bullies. They had the perfect opportunity to explore that when he transferred to McKinley, but instead they had the character breeze through McKinley just as easily as he did Dalton. They could have delved into his "bashing" when they did the Sadie Hawkins episode, but nope- it was all about his crush on Sam.

  And many of Blaine's fans have been just fine with this, as long as he was singing 500 solos and the camera was doing those creepy, lingering shots on Darren's ass (which for the life of me I cannot understand, it's really not that great, imo.) They were all for Blam! and Blina! and whatever childish antics the writers came up with for them. I don't recall any clamoring for Blaine to have "deep, dramatic" story lines then. But Kurt is getting one now, so they want Blaine to have one.

  Obviously many of us Kurt fans resent Blaine for being a ball and chain to Kurt's character, getting endless solos, and the sheer amount of screen time that's been given these past couple seasons. But I'm quite certain many Blaine/Darren fans resent the hell out of Kurt, too. Kurt gets the meaty character development, and Chris is the one who gets the critical acclaim.

Most of all, they know Blaine has little relevance without Kurt. They don't ship Klaine so damn hard because they love the boys together. They ship it out of necessity. That's why every little potential threat to "Klaine" is met with irrational fear and hatred.

[Jellyrolls]

K(b)lainers (honestly, there are so few true Kurt/Chris fans in the vocal part of that group that I really just want to call them Blarren stans) are never satisfied. Blarren could have 30 minutes of focus and four songs per episode, and it would never be enough for them. They always think every spoiled song is perfect for him, and every spoiled scene sounds like him. They want it all.

RIB created monsters by giving them everything they wanted, and it has ruined the show. And in a lot of ways catering to them has ruined Kurt, too, because he is stuck at Blaine by a chain of K(b)lainers.

Of course, they think Darren is the greatest actor on the face of the universe, but what they don't realize (or refuse to admit) is that Darren is not capable of handling a heavy storyline. He just isn't capable of pulling real emotion out of himself to make believable emotion in Blaine. Darren just can't connect like that. And that's part of the reason Darren sings so much instead of acting.

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