Any Glee Characters used to like, but now can't stand?

[ChrisColferFan1]

What Glee Character/s you used to like ,but now can not stand?

For me it is Blaine ,although at times he made me angry I still like him,but that changed after the Car Scene in The First Time episode.Although, I like Blaine up to then I never shipped Klaine, but if I did that would be when I would have jump ship.


Tina I like her until she became in my opinion a Blaine can do no wrong stan, especially when she Blamed Kurt for Blaine's cheating.

There are ore others ,but those two of the Characters I used to like,but now can not stand

[Divalicious]

I agree with above, and add in my there and back again feels for Rachel and Sue. First I disliked both of them. Sue was so unrelentingly obsessed with destroying Glee club she annoyed me. Rachel exhausted me, if I knew her in real life I would avoid her like the plague for all the drama. Then I began to admire the actresses, and the chemistry they had with Chris, and started liking them. Then, over time, when both get away with crappy behavior (mostly Sue) and get so much handed them (mostly Rachel, but Sue being able to even keep a job with her behavior) I grew to dislike them. I still admire the actresses, but I not longer can care for either character.

[ChrisColferFan1]

Really good points made above.

[bayth]

As noted above Bland is the highest hate I have on Blee, but the one that really makes me sad is Sam. My favorite episode of Glee is 'Duets' and the interplay with Kurt and Sam was wonderful. I really wish that the story had gone on that Sam would be Kurt's first boyfriend. He was so sweet in that episode and really supported Kurt. Now Sam is unrecognizable from the character that was first brought into the light of Glee. He is dumber than a post and attached at the hip to Bland.

[ChrisColferFan1]

As noted above Bland is the highest hate I have on Blee, but the one that really makes me sad is Sam. My favorite episode of Glee is 'Duets' and the interplay with Kurt and Sam was wonderful. I really wish that the story had gone on that Sam would be Kurt's first boyfriend. He was so sweet in that episode and really supported Kurt. Now Sam is unrecognizable from the character that was first brought into the light of Glee. He is dumber than a post and attached at the hip to Bland.

Some very good points about Sam. I was upset when he was no longer on the show,and  was glad he was brought back. Now I wish he had not been brought back. Like I  was glad they had made Blaine a regular character,but now I wish he had left after  he was suppose to,like after I think it was 3 or 4 episodes.

[lilypaperclips]

I would say Will. In the beginning, he was written as an idealist pursuing a dream (establishing a glee club) which most would dismiss as frivolous. That's how alot of people view the arts. So I admired that drive to pursue said dream in the face of oposition in the form of lack of funding, participants, school staff support, etc. But as Glee went on, he contracted "Beverly Hills 90210" syndrome, where the adults behave as immature as the kids. His behaviour towards the kids also crossed some lines, especially with Finn.

Now he is just kind of there, which is a shame because of the fact that Matthew Morrison is a gifted actor and performer.

[ChrisColferFan1]

I would say Will. In the beginning, he was written as an idealist pursuing a dream (establishing a glee club) which most would dismiss as frivolous. That's how alot of people view the arts. So I admired that drive to pursue said dream in the face of oposition in the form of lack of funding, participants, school staff support, etc.  But as Glee went on, he contracted "Beverly Hills 90210" syndrome, where the adults behave as immature as the kids. His behaviour towards the kids also crossed some lines, especially with Finn.

Now he is just kind of there, which is a shame because of the fact that Matthew Morrison is a gifted actor and performer.

Good points about Will.

[Ranwing]

I don't think I need to go into my feelings about Blaine - I've practically written a tome the length of War and Peace about how much I've grown to dislike him.

Rachel has become a really problematic for me. I'm going to admit that I always had a love/hate relationship with her from the very start. I admired her talent and drive and felt a lot of sympathy for her. I could understand her passion and frustration at not having her better qualities admired. The problem is that after season one, Rachel's behavior swung wildly into moments of really destructive selfishness that adversely affected others and were meant to serve only her own benefit. The TV Tropes page labeled Rachel and a Karma Houdini because she could do things really hurtful to others for the sole purpose of benefiting herself and never suffer any real consequences. Her bad behavior is written off and excused because Rachel is so talented wants so much that stabbing her friends in the back and generally throwing everyone under the bus is not just understandable, but justifiable. And the show compounded this by basically having every other character dancing around Rachel to support her in all things, even if it hurt their prospects in the end. She never seemed to learn anything - a comeuppance or humbling experienced in one episode is quickly forgotten and expunged for Rachel the next.

Season five really was the last nail in the coffin for me in regards to Rachel's behavior. Once she got the lead in Funny Girl, she really became intolerable. Between quitting NYADA in the most insulting manner possible, to insulting Kurt repeatedly if he questioned her actions, to using everyone to serve her interests and finally quitting FG shortly after the show opened in order to chase a bigger dream, I think that they've taken her past the point of redemption. When you end up actually rooting for one of the lead characters to take a major fall it shows that the show really screwed up with her characterization and storylines.

[Glorfindel]

- Tina, who I liked as the shy Gothh girl, but who became horrible in seasons 4 and 5. Her becoming a Blaine stan and scolding Kurt in 'I Do' stands out, but tbh her terrible screeching and OTT bitchiness was enough already.

- Sam, who was adorable as Sam in season 2, but is now completely ruined because of Blam and his stupid relationship with Brittany. However, I liked him again in Chris' episode.

- Brittany, who got away with every bad thing she did, like bullying, putting a sextape of her and Santana online, and being angry at Artie when he called her stupid when she was the one cheating on him because "the plumbing was different". 
And her remarks are often meaner than Santana's, even though we're supposed to laugh about them and wave away because she is not so smart.

- Becky, oy, I honestly look away whenever she is on screen now. She was such a sweet girl in season 1, but now she's a badmouthing, sexually harassing bitch.


You may have noticed I didn't include Rachel and Blaine, because I never liked them in the first place. Rachel looks too much like the vicious, backstabbing diva's I've met plenty in the conservatory and in my career. And Rachel doesn't seem to progress but regress throughout the seasons.
Even though Blaine was sweet when we met him, I already turned off from him in the first episode he was in, when he suggested Kurt should stand up to his bully Karofsky. Him being totally oblivious of Kurt's crush while he was clearly flirting with him and leading him on was next, accompanied by Blaine not caring at all that his serenade made the guy he was in love with lose his job, and the next episode he went after Kurt's female(!) friend.
And that was it for me. I still liked how happy Kurt was when they kissed (and what a kiss it was, thanks to Chris' acting), but I never really warmed up to Blaine.

On the other hand: characters I didn't like in the beginning but like now:
- Puck, who started as Kurt's bully but redeemed himself multiple times since (I'm choosing to ignore his scene with Kurt in 'The Quarterback').
- Quinn, who I absolutely hated in seasons 1 and 3, especially what she tried to do to Shelby. But maybe because of her being abscent for most of seasons 4 and 5 I've started to like her, mostly because I think Dianna Agron is a sweetheart.
- Santana, who's effemiphobic remarks at Kurt I hated (still do, actually) and her bullying in general throughout high school was vicious and imo inexcusable. But she has no trouble pointing out the truth (necessary or not) and showed she cares a lot for her friends of which Kurt is one of (so maybe I'm biased because of that, lol).

[Glorfindel]

I just realized I left out a character who I once loved but now dislike, and this character is even the biggest disappointment to me in how he was ruined: Burt.  

Burt was great in the First 13, but already in the Back 9 I thought he wasn't handling that whole 'Theatricality' debacle right. He and Carol never should have left Finn out of their plans to move in together in the first place, and although he rightfully scolded Finn for his "faggy" insult, he also should have taken the time to actually listen to Finn, before that incident and afterwards. Not that I think Kurt was in the wrong here, but Finn was being pushed left and right and deserved to tell his side of the story.

There were some conversations between Burt and Kurt in season 2 that could have gone either way imo: they were not bad and I understood Burt's POV, but they were not brilliantly handled either (like Burt telling Kurt it was better for him not to actively try to find a bf in highschool, him blowing up about Blaine sleeping over in BIOTA while not even praising his kid for doing the sensible thing, and him not wanting Kurt to wear a kilt to Prom).
The sex ed scene was on the other hand very good, though.
Another thing I didn't like, not so much related to Kurt directly, was Burt attacking Karofsky in the highschool hallway, and him basically blaming Finn for not having been there for Kurt (and although that was partially true, Finn was the same age as Kurt was and also got bullied by Karofsky, so Burt should at least have listened first to Finn and let him explain why he hadn't done anything).

Then there was season 3, and I (also as a performer and music teacher) thought Burt wasn't supportive enough of Kurt when he came to him all sad that he didn't get Tony in WSS. Although Burt's advice to Kurt to write his own stuf was oksy, he could have done a lot more to help Kurt: offer him acting lessons, help him find addresses for community theatre groups in the area, and maybe even go to the WSS directors and talk about their (internalized) effemiphobia. But I understand that the effemiphobia of Kurt's teachers and peers wasn't really the issue in the WSS storyline, or at least not important enough to be called out (just something more for Kurt to endure), but promoting and praising alpha male Blaine over Kurt was what it was all about, so Burt doing nothing in this case is not really something I can blame him directly for.
Season 3 also had Karofsky's suicide attempt, and I thought Burt should have supported Kurt in that storyline, and also the storyline when Kurt got disqualified from his election while Burt won his election and actually celebrated his win with a miserable Kurt right there in the room. But again: these instances were also mostly the writers wanting Kurt to suffer alone throughout season 3.
Oh, I also didn't like how Burt wanted to be the one to tell Blaine about Kurt getting his audition letter for NYADA, choosing his son's bf over his wife (and Kurt's stepmom) and his stepson Finn (Kurt's stepbrother). What a foreshadowing that was, eh? Because less than a year later Burt chose Blaine even over his own son.

Season 4 had Burt bringing Blaine uninvited to New York City, into Kurt's home, for Christmas. I think we've said enough about that on this board already, lol.
But at least Burt was against Blaine proposing to Kurt. For about 2 weeks, that is. 

Because in episode 1 of season 5 Burt not only drove Kurt to his surprise proposal arranged by Blaine, but he also noticed Kurt looking like he was driving to his execution but did nothing, and even pressured Kurt to say "yes" by using his dead mom, which I thought was a really low and mean thing to do. (although I'm certain RIB thought that was a lovely. supportive father/son scene)
Another thing I didn't like in season 5 was the hospital scene after Kurt got bashed. I've debated about this scene on the Previously.TV Forum the past few days, and that's actually why I realized I hadn't included Burt in this thread, so I won't go too much into detail now. Let's just say that I understood Burt's feelings and concern in that scene, he clearly was upset, and the scene in itself wasn't bad at all, but the placing in the episode was imo horrible, with Burt basically bursting in and scolding his hair-fractured skull son the very first moment after he woke up from his drugs-induced coma, without even checking if Kurt was alright, physically but especially mentally. And on top of that there's Burt also ranting that effeminate gay guys should run and hide and leave the real hero stuff to the jocks, although he realized he was wrong at the end of the scene. But having said all that: if they only had added an earlier scene with Burt sitting quietly at Kurt's bed when he woke up, and had this scene with Burt talking to Kurt about his justified anger and fears take place e.g. a day later, it would have been okay imo. But that's what you get when in an episode that has a gay bashing you give more screentime to all of the other characters than the bashed victim.

And now we have season 6 to look forward to, with Burt

Spoiler:

Yup, that's what the best dad in the world has become in the incapable hands of RIB: totally deaf and blind to his son's feelings, not concerned at all about his son's well-being in a relationship that has alarms bells going off and red flags going up basically constantly for 3 years now, but instead he is a total stan of his soon to be son-in-law, as he can't seem to push him into Kurt's face often enough.
So, Burt is perhaps the victim of the biggest character assasination on Glee.

[Buenos]

I use to think Coach Sue was hilarious as a blatantly cartoon character used for humor and dollops of black comedy.

IMO She was never meant initially to be "realistic".

However more than any other character she suffered from repetitive retreads of the same "villainous" angle of tying to destroy Glee club.  

What makes it worse is that in trying to humanize and color her character, the writers  have her touched by ND helping with her sisters funeral, moved by their plight in Season 1, empathetic with their  loss because of  Finn's death in Season 5, and even  fucking become a mother herself, with a mentally challenged (apparently) child,  and yet then reboot back to a unfeeling bitch who is intent in squashing any dreams theses kids have in the performing arts.

It's friggin Season 6 and we are going to go through that rehash again?

[ChrisColferFan1]

I just realized I left out a character who I once loved but now dislike, and this character is even the biggest disappointment to me in how he was ruined: Burt.  

Burt was great in the First 13, but already in the Back 9 I thought he wasn't handling that whole 'Theatricality' debacle right. He and Carol never should have left Finn out of their plans to move in together in the first place, and although he rightfully scolded Finn for his "faggy" insult, he also should have taken the time to actually listen to Finn, before that incident and afterwards. Not that I think Kurt was in the wrong here, but Finn was being pushed left and right and deserved to tell his side of the story.

There were some conversations between Burt and Kurt in season 2 that could have gone either way imo: they were not bad and I understood Burt's POV, but they were not brilliantly handled either (like Burt telling Kurt it was better for him not to actively try to find a bf in highschool, him blowing up about Blaine sleeping over in BIOTA while not even praising his kid for doing the sensible thing, and him not wanting Kurt to wear a kilt to Prom).
The sex ed scene was on the other hand very good, though.
Another thing I didn't like, not so much related to Kurt directly, was Burt attacking Karofsky in the highschool hallway, and him basically blaming Finn for not having been there for Kurt (and although that was partially true, Finn was the same age as Kurt was and also got bullied by Karofsky, so Burt should at least have listened first to Finn and let him explain why he hadn't done anything).

Then there was season 3, and I (also as a performer and music teacher) thought Burt wasn't supportive enough of Kurt when he came to him all sad that he didn't get Tony in WSS. Although Burt's advice to Kurt to write his own stuf was oksy, he could have done a lot more to help Kurt: offer him acting lessons, help him find addresses for community theatre groups in the area, and maybe even go to the WSS directors and talk about their (internalized) effemiphobia. But I understand that the effemiphobia of Kurt's teachers and peers wasn't really the issue in the WSS storyline, or at least not important enough to be called out (just something more for Kurt to endure), but promoting and praising alpha male Blaine over Kurt was what it was all about, so Burt doing nothing in this case is not really something I can blame him directly for.
Season 3 also had Karofsky's suicide attempt, and I thought Burt should have supported Kurt in that storyline, and also the storyline when Kurt got disqualified from his election while Burt won his election and actually celebrated his win with a miserable Kurt right there in the room. But again: these instances were also mostly the writers wanting Kurt to suffer alone throughout season 3.
Oh, I also didn't like how Burt wanted to be the one to tell Blaine about Kurt getting his audition letter for NYADA, choosing his son's bf over his wife (and Kurt's stepmom) and his stepson Finn (Kurt's stepbrother). What a foreshadowing that was, eh? Because less than a year later Burt chose Blaine even over his own son.

Season 4 had Burt bringing Blaine uninvited to New York City, into Kurt's home, for Christmas. I think we've said enough about that on this board already, lol.
But at least Burt was against Blaine proposing to Kurt. For about 2 weeks, that is. 

Because in episode 1 of season 5 Burt not only drove Kurt to his surprise proposal arranged by Blaine, but he also noticed Kurt looking like he was driving to a funeral but did nothing, and even pressured Kurt to say "yes" by using his dead mom, which I thought was a really low and mean thing to do. (although I'm certain RIB thought that was a lovely. supportive father/son scene)
Another thing I didn't like in season 5 was the hospital scene after Kurt got bashed. I've debated about this scene on the Previously.TV Forum the past few days, and that's actually why I realized I hadn't included Burt in this thread, so I won't go too much into detail now. Let's just say that I understood Burt's feelings and concern in that scene, he clearly was upset, and the scene in itself wasn't bad at all, but the placing in the episode was imo horrible, with Burt basically bursting in and scolding his hair-fractured skull son the very first moment after he woke up from his drugs-induced coma, without even checking if Kurt was alright, physically but especially mentally. And on top of that there's Burt also ranting that effeminate gay guys should run and hide and leave the real hero stuff to the jocks, although he realized he was wrong at the end of the scene. But having said all that: if they only had added an earlier scene with Burt sitting quietly at Kurt's bed when he woke up, and had this scene with Burt talking to Kurt about his justified anger and fears take place e.g. a day later, it would have been okay imo. But that's what you get when in an episode that has a gay bashing you give more screentime to all of the other characters than the bashed victim.

And now we have season 6 to look forward to, with Burt

Spoiler:

Yup, that's what the best dad in the world has become in the incapable hands of RIB: totally deaf and blind to his son's feelings, not concerned at all about his son's well-being in a relationship that has alarms bells going off and red flags going up basically constantly for 3 years now, but instead he is a total stan of his soon to be son-in-law, as he can't seem to push him into Kurt's face often enough.
So, Burt is perhaps the victim of the biggest character assasination on Glee.

Great post I agree with 100% with the entire post.Out of all the characters RIB as ruined I am most upset how they ruined Burt. I used to love Burt and thought he was one of TVs best fathers,. Now I think Kurt deserves a better father. Let Burt adopt Blaine you know he would if he could. The old Burt would not he would be on Kurt side this new Burt though is a different story in my opinion. I would not be surprise if the reason Kurt and Blaine is getting married is because Burt talk or worse pushed Kurt into it in someway.Burt used to be my 2nd favorite character Kurt being my favorite . I think now though I may even dislike him more than Blaine ,that is sad, because I used to Love Burt,now can not stand him.

[fantastica]

it's hard to like any characters when the writing is so unlikable and the characterizations are so shallow and idiotic.

[ChrisColferFan1]

it's hard to like any characters when the writing is so unlikable and the characterizations are so shallow and idiotic.

Good point. Although I wish Adam Crawford was still around maybe it is a good thing he is not. I have a feeling the writers would have ruined him by in someway. They probably would have turn him into a big Klaine/Blaine stan,and pushed Kurt into getting back with him, if he had not already.

[lilypaperclips]

They probably would have turn him into  a big Klaine/Blaine stan,and pushed  Kurt into getting back with him, if he had not already.

You know, I think that it is really the opposite. Adam was presented as a rival love interest. But in so doing it highlighted the inadequacies of Blaine, the showrunners' one true love and it also legitimized the value of Kurt, which the showrunners could not allow because Kurt had to remain a perpetual punching bag. And thus, Adam as rival had to be eliminated.

Even how the Adam storyline was 'resolved' seems to indicate that the showrunners  became aware of the implications of the 'rival' storyline. They had to coinjure something lame like Adam kicked Kurt out of the Adam's Apples because of the engagement, thereby villainizing Adam by making him immature. To be honest, a character who was willing to talk to Kurt about his lingering feelings for his ex would NOT, stoop to the level of kicking Kurt out of his group because firstly, it had been established Adam as cared for Kurt and he would have wanted Kurt's happiness even if it meant it was not with him and secondly, it was in canon that Adam respected Kurt's talent and he would have sought to retain him.

[ChrisColferFan1]

They probably would have turn him into  a big Klaine/Blaine stan,and pushed  Kurt into getting back with him, if he had not already.

You know, I think that it is really the opposite. Adam was presented as a rival love interest. But in so doing it highlighted the inadequacies of Blaine, the showrunners' one true love and it also legitimized the value of Kurt, which the showrunners could not allow because Kurt had to remain a perpetual punching bag. And thus, Adam as rival had to be eliminated.

Even how the Adam storyline was 'resolved' seems to indicate that the showrunners  became aware of the implications of the 'rival' storyline. They had to coinjure something lame like Adam kicked Kurt out of the Adam's Apples because of the engagement, thereby villainizing Adam by making him immature. To be honest, a character who was willing to talk to Kurt about his lingering feelings for his ex would NOT, stoop to the level of kicking Kurt out of his group because firstly, it had been established Adam as cared for Kurt and he would have wanted Kurt's happiness even if it meant it was not with him and secondly, it was in canon that Adam respected Kurt's talent and he would have sought to retain him.

You made some good points. I wonder if Cory had not died ,if Ollie would have returned to Glee for it's 5th season, And if so would he have become a regular?

[lilypaperclips]

They probably would have turn him into  a big Klaine/Blaine stan,and pushed  Kurt into getting back with him, if he had not already.

You know, I think that it is really the opposite. Adam was presented as a rival love interest. But in so doing it highlighted the inadequacies of Blaine, the showrunners' one true love and it also legitimized the value of Kurt, which the showrunners could not allow because Kurt had to remain a perpetual punching bag. And thus, Adam as rival had to be eliminated.

Even how the Adam storyline was 'resolved' seems to indicate that the showrunners  became aware of the implications of the 'rival' storyline. They had to coinjure something lame like Adam kicked Kurt out of the Adam's Apples because of the engagement, thereby villainizing Adam by making him immature. To be honest, a character who was willing to talk to Kurt about his lingering feelings for his ex would NOT, stoop to the level of kicking Kurt out of his group because firstly, it had been established Adam as cared for Kurt and he would have wanted Kurt's happiness even if it meant it was not with him and secondly, it was in canon that Adam respected Kurt's talent and he would have sought to retain him.

You made some good points. I wonder if Cory had not died ,if Ollie would have returned  to Glee for it's 5th season, And if so would he have become a  regular?

No, precisely for the reasons previously stated.

Finn though was another character I struggled with. He was initially presented as an 'average Joe'. I did not see him as what the writers turned him into, which was aimless. Not everyone wants to be a star or needs to be. I think Finn would have been fine with that. But some how on this show not wanting to be a star is wrong and by extension makes you a failure.

[ChrisColferFan1]

They probably would have turn him into  a big Klaine/Blaine stan,and pushed  Kurt into getting back with him, if he had not already.

You know, I think that it is really the opposite. Adam was presented as a rival love interest. But in so doing it highlighted the inadequacies of Blaine, the showrunners' one true love and it also legitimized the value of Kurt, which the showrunners could not allow because Kurt had to remain a perpetual punching bag. And thus, Adam as rival had to be eliminated.

Even how the Adam storyline was 'resolved' seems to indicate that the showrunners  became aware of the implications of the 'rival' storyline. They had to coinjure something lame like Adam kicked Kurt out of the Adam's Apples because of the engagement, thereby villainizing Adam by making him immature. To be honest, a character who was willing to talk to Kurt about his lingering feelings for his ex would NOT, stoop to the level of kicking Kurt out of his group because firstly, it had been established Adam as cared for Kurt and he would have wanted Kurt's happiness even if it meant it was not with him and secondly, it was in canon that Adam respected Kurt's talent and he would have sought to retain him.

You made some good points. I wonder if Cory had not died ,if Ollie would have returned  to Glee for it's 5th season, And if so would he have become a  regular?

No, precisely for the reasons previously stated.

Finn though was another character I struggled with. He was initially presented as an 'average Joe'. I did not see him as what the writers turned him into, which was aimless. Not everyone wants to be a star or needs to be. I think Finn would have been fine with that. But some how on this show not wanting to be a star is wrong and by extension makes you a failure.  

More good points.

[tanita_mors]

For me it's Tina and Sam. Those were the characters I kind of liked that the latter seasons of Glee just ruined.

[ChrisColferFan1]

For me it's Tina and Sam. Those were the characters I kind of liked that the latter seasons of Glee just ruined.

Glee did ruined them. I did kind of like Sam again in the episode wrote.

[Glorfindel]

Glee did ruined them. I did kind of like Sam again in the episode  wrote.

Agreed. Chris did Sam a big favor in 'Old Dog, New Tricks'.

[ChrisColferFan1]

Glee did ruined them. I did kind of like Sam again in the episode  wrote.

Agreed. Chris did Sam a big favor in 'Old Dog, New Tricks'.

He did.

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