Re: The Land of Stories Main Thread

[Glorfindel]

I'm in love with a book.

[tanita_mors]

The art work is just spectacular. That is one gorgeous book. It's like everything a kids fairy tales book should look like and of course I'm sure the content is just as amazing. Can't wait, and hopefully one day I will be holding it with this title (my personal translation) : "Zemlja Bajki - Čarolija Želja" od Krisa Kolfera. Someone has to translate this beauty to Serbian. They just have too.

[Emile]

OH! The book is beautiful!
The design in lovely, and is totally what would attract a younger me if I saw it on a library shelf.

with this title (my personal translation) : "Zemlja Bajki - Čarolija Želja" od Krisa Kolfera. Someone has to translate this beauty to Serbian. They just have too.

Uhh, I love the name 'Chris' in Serbian! - But they don't translate that too, haha.
In Italian 'Christopher' is 'Cristoforo', bleah.

[tanita_mors]

Technically, his name is Kris Kolfer in Serbian (or Крис Колфер if I use Cyrillic). The "od Krisa Kolfera (by Chris Colfer)" is in the grammatical form of a declension. Declensions are what makes Serbian pretty hard for foreigners to learn, because every word can go throw 7 of them and the ending of the word are different.

His full name would be : Kristofer Pol Kolfer (Кристофер Пол Колфер)

And actually, the name of the author gets translated and written in Serbian as well. Almost always. (Dž.K. Rouling, Dž.R.R. Tolkin, ...)

Example :

Sorcerer's Stone


Chamber of secrets


Deathly Hallows

[Emile]

^^Seven of them? Woh! I don't know very much about declensions, I only came across them studying romance linguistic. Latin had five, but we completely lost them (thank god, haha).


And uh, that's interesting, I didn't think the author's name gets curently translated (mh, probably for make everything more 'familiar'?), I thought it was something fallen into disuse. Here was common to translate it some decade ago.
The same goes for the characters names, but even this now is unusual and more at the translator's discretion.

[brisallie]

I want this so badly!

The art work is just spectacular. That is one gorgeous book. It's like everything a kids fairy tales book should look like and of course I'm sure the content is just as amazing. Can't wait, and hopefully one day I will be holding it with this title (my personal translation) : "Zemlja Bajki - Čarolija Želja" od Krisa Kolfera. Someone has to translate this beauty to Serbian. They just have too.

Krisa Kolfera? Umm it sounds more like a girl name to me. In your language usually add an "a" at the end of foreign names or what's the rule?

Uhh, I love the name 'Chris' in Serbian! - But they don't translate that too, haha.
In Italian 'Christopher' is 'Cristoforo', bleah.

In spanish is Cristóbal

[Emile]

Uhh, I love the name 'Chris' in Serbian! - But they don't translate that too, haha.
In Italian 'Christopher' is 'Cristoforo', bleah.

In spanish is Cristóbal

Omg, all I can think about when I heard Cristobal (pardon, I don't have that accented 'o' on my keyboard) is Paso Adelante.

[fantastica]

Krystal ball? I.want one!

[tanita_mors]

I want this so badly!

The art work is just spectacular. That is one gorgeous book. It's like everything a kids fairy tales book should look like and of course I'm sure the content is just as amazing. Can't wait, and hopefully one day I will be holding it with this title (my personal translation) : "Zemlja Bajki - Čarolija Želja" od Krisa Kolfera. Someone has to translate this beauty to Serbian. They just have too.

Krisa Kolfera? Umm it sounds more like a girl name to me. In your language usually add an "a" at the end of foreign names or what's the rule?

Uhh, I love the name 'Chris' in Serbian! - But they don't translate that too, haha.
In Italian 'Christopher' is 'Cristoforo', bleah.

In spanish is Cristóbal

No, his name is written and pronounced as " Kris Kolfer ". The extra "a" is a Grammatical case (or declination). In the case of "by Chris Colfer" is translated into "od Krisa Kolfera" "the genitive case" - which roughly corresponds to English's possessive case and preposition of, indicates the possessor of another noun. The "a" at the end is : In some languages, particularly Slavic languages, a case may contain different groups of endings depending on whether the word is a noun or an adjective. A single case may contain many different endings, some of which may even be derived from different roots.

As I said, it's kind of difficult for me to describe to you, because it comes natural to us. The same why that we don't need, he/she to know if the first person written text is male of female.

For example : I was born in 1986.

A man would write it like this : Ja sam rođen 1986.
A woman would - Ja sam rođena 1986.

[valkeakuulas]

I find this cover solution lovely and handy, since the fold-out map will be available even if the cover paper gets lost or covered in plastic like in most libraries. They've really thought about this...pure professionalism...and it will soon be mine. Part of Christophers mind will be OURS!

@TanitaMors: I find it interesting that some other language besides finnish has many cases. Finnish has 15 noun cases, that's why it takes a long time to translate a book well. I really hope they will translate this one to finnish, they seem to translate a lot of shit YA literature for no reason. They should definately add a good and interesting book to their catalogues.

[Emile]

No, his name is written and pronounced as " Kris Kolfer ". The extra "a" is a Grammatical case (or declination). In the case of "by Chris Colfer" is translated into "od Krisa Kolfera" "the genitive case" - which roughly corresponds to English's possessive case and preposition of, indicates the possessor of another noun. The "a" at the end is : In some languages, particularly Slavic languages, a case may contain different groups of endings depending on whether the word is a noun or an adjective. A single case may contain many different endings, some of which may even be derived from different roots.

As I said, it's kind of difficult for me to describe to you, because it comes natural to us. The same why that we don't need, he/she to know if the first person written text is male of female.

For example : I was born in 1986.

A man would write it like this : Ja sam rođen 1986.
A woman would - Ja sam rođena 1986.

Mhhm, kind of understood, but yes, is difficult. Latin had cases, but I never really cared to studied it.
As I said romances languages completely lost them, so in Italian there really is no traces of them, apart from the personal pronouns.

But for example I know that Romanian is different. Standing more at east it has been influenced by the Balkan linguistic (oh, if I'm not wrong Romania is even part of the Balkan Linguistic Union), so it has this strange bicasual systems based on the distintion between nominative-accusative, on one hand, and genitive-dative, on the other, that appears only on the singolar female names. So I think it presents linguistic phenomenons common, even if to a lesser degree, to Serbian too.
But uhh, unfortunately I only this know theoretically.

[brisallie]

In spanish is Cristóbal

Omg, all I can think about when I heard Cristobal (pardon, I don't have that accented 'o' on my keyboard) is Paso Adelante.

Aren't you talking about "Un paso adelante"? Is a spanish series. I have no idea how many seasons have but I saw the first one some years ago.

Krystal ball? I.want one!

Like your word game Kim.

No, his name is written and pronounced as " Kris Kolfer ". The extra "a" is a Grammatical case (or declination). In the case of "by Chris Colfer" is translated into "od Krisa Kolfera" "the genitive case" - which roughly corresponds to English's possessive case and preposition of, indicates the possessor of another noun. The "a" at the end is : In some languages, particularly Slavic languages, a case may contain different groups of endings depending on whether the word is a noun or an adjective. A single case may contain many different endings, some of which may even be derived from different roots.

As I said, it's kind of difficult for me to describe to you, because it comes natural to us. The same why that we don't need, he/she to know if the first person written text is male of female.

For example : I was born in 1986.

A man would write it like this : Ja sam rođen 1986.
A woman would - Ja sam rođena 1986.

This too much information to me. To sum up in this case "a" it related to the possesive? :headache: Currently I'm not at home but later I'll read about this because I found it interesting. Thanks to the explanation anyway.

[tanita_mors]

I'd explain it in more detail, but unfortunately, I don't know the correct English terminology to do it any justice and without further confusing those who don't know what "padež " aka. Grammatical case (or declination) is in Serbian.

[Emile]

In spanish is Cristóbal

Omg, all I can think about when I heard Cristobal (pardon, I don't have that accented 'o' on my keyboard) is Paso Adelante.

Aren't you talking about "Un paso adelante"? Is a spanish series. I have no idea how many seasons have but I saw the first one some years ago.

Uh, right! Yes, Un paso adelante (here was called without the 'un'), it's the same, aha.
I think they did something like five series...? Boh. When I was like thirteen I watched it every afternoon on TV, but I have no idea how many series they have done, LOL.

[fantastica]

[Shinra17]

No, his name is written and pronounced as " Kris Kolfer ".

How is it for his sister, does the family name change like in Russian or in Czech for the female gender? In Czech, her name should be something like Hana Colferova, I think.

[tanita_mors]

No, we don't have that distinction. The last name is the same for both genders so her name would be : Hana Kolfer (Хана Колфер). Simply put, the names are pronounced the same why they are in the original language and written with our grammatical rules : write exactly as it is spoken, read exactly as it is written. Dinara Safina is also Dinara Safina (Динара Сафина).

For example, the world "written", would be written like this if we used our rule in English : "vriten" (there is no W or Q or Y in Serbia). Or "word" - "vurd", "English" - "Ingliš" , "Glee" - "Gli",...

[Shinra17]

^ Basically it's a phonetic transposition, like what is used in languages that use ideograms

Chris Colfer in Japanese would be kurisu korufāto (クリス・コルファーと。), pronounced kris korfa-to, the "u" are silent, the "to" at the end is added to foreign names.

[fantastica]

in my language everything is "meow".

[brisallie]

Since when this topic turned into the (foreign) language thread?

Chris Colfer in Japanese would be kurisu korufāto (クリス・コルファーと。), pronounced kris korfa-to, the "u" are silent, the "to" at the end is added to foreign names.

Didn't know that about the "to" at the end of the names. Luckily my name is syllabic so I think is easier for them: ro-mi-na ロミナ

[fantastica]

^ i don't know why i always associate your name w/ ramen noodles in my subconscious mind.

[Shinra17]

Since when this topic turned into the (foreign) language thread?

Well, at least, we stay in the literature field

Didn't know that about the "to" at the end of the names.

Me either . It's something I have noticed, but I don't know the rule about it. For instance, I have a friend named Vincent, and everyone says "vincento", the "o" is not silent like it's the case for the letters used to comply with the writing rules and everyone knows it's actually vincent lol.

edit: @brisallie, bah forget what I said, I just went on the Japanese wikipedia and his name is written クリス・コルファー (= kurisu korufā).

[brisallie]

^ i don't know why i always associate your name w/ ramen noodles in my subconscious mind.

Umm I don't know what to say because I've never thought my name sounds like ramen noodles lol Well your name and I'm sure you feel proud for it reminds me a cat.

Since when this topic turned into the (foreign) language thread?

Well, at least, we stay in the literature field

Didn't know that about the "to" at the end of the names.

Me either . It's something I have noticed, but I don't know the rule about it. For instance, I have a friend named Vincent, and everyone says "vincento", the "o" is not silent like it's the case for the letters used to comply with the writing rules and everyone knows it's actually vincent lol.

Well the written is correct because japanese is a syllabic language so they need to add a letter at the end or between non syllabic letters. I think they try to adequate the name to the sound instead of the writing, like in Martina that's is "Marutina" マルチナ, so if your heard the pronunciation from a japanese person it sounds closer to the original one.

[fantastica]

i am very curious, what is considered "foreign" in japanese language? I am sure any language of the alphabets like English, French, etc. but what about Chinese? do they add "to" at the end of the name too? and how do they pronounce a chinese person's name? phonetically (pronounce the name as a chinese person would) or based on the Japanese pronounciation of the Kanji/chinese characters?

when chinese pronounce the japanese person's name, they simply pronounce it the way chinese would. each kanji character would have one sillable. so the resulting name sounds nothing at all like the japanese pronounciation, and they sound pretty funny.

[brisallie]

^
I know they use katakana for all of those words who are not japanese,mostly from western languages so is the same with names. Also I've seen that usually korean names are written with katakana because I've seen korean celebrities on japanese TV shows and their names are written with that alphabet but honestly I don't know what happen with chinese names because I think both languages share some kanjis, right?

I find this on internet:

How to read my Chinese name in Japanese?

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