Re: Kurt Hummel Snark & Bark Thread--Part 12

[Buenos]

Great work on your stats analysis of songs!

[Divalicious]

Thanks, Chriscolferlightning, I am actually surprised that Kurt had sung that much, even if most of it are duets with the top 2 contenders. What would be interesting is breaking down how many of the songs were sung to Kurt in his own storylines. Mercedes sang to Kurt in Grilled Cheesus. Even the whole Marry Me grouping, which had Kurt's beloved father getting married didn't have him actually singing in it.

[brisallie]

Thanks Chriscolferlightning. Now I've a better idea of how has been the songs distribution . But still I'm surprised Finn isn't in a higher position, there was a time, mainly in season 1, that I used to think he sings more as he was paired with Rachel.

[ChrisColfersLightning]

Great work on your stats analysis of songs!

No Problem hun! I have been tracking the songs the remaining characters been given throughout the years for months now, I never tracked down the noobies and even a few originals, so this took me like 3 hours last night to find because I wanted to be very accurate on that list because just one extra solo will show you the difference between who RIB showed more focus to when it came to singing, like just because someone has a lot of duets (Like Kurt) Does not mean anything if they only sing with the same one or two people over and over again, Kurt sung with Blaine 13 times and Rachel 7, and that is already 20 of his 27 duets gone down the drain, and the way I add things up, to make his duets see fair, I split the songs he did with Blaine and Rachel in half and add it to the seven he did with other people, making it be that Kurt ha only really sung 7 duets with Blaine and 4 with Rachel, meaning 18 true duets so yeah, he is rightfully at number 8 on that list.

Then he shared 2 duets with Mercedes, 1 in season 1 and then another in season 5, that is A HUGE distance of him singing with no one else for 4 full seasons while being trapped in klaine duets, then he had 2 with Elliot in season 5, again it took him 4 seasons for him to have another duet partner and then if Chris never wrote an episode I am certain his two duets with June would have been turned into another glorified Blaine solo with Kurt singing background, Glee should be ashamed of itself really  

I had hoped and prayed that I was wrong with him having just 13 solos, but it is true, Artie and Schue has 13 and while I think Schue has an ok number, I a definitely upset that out of 5 dedicated never missed an episode years Artie has so little songs. Quinn and Tina, I am beyond furious to see how low their score card is, having the same amount of songs as the noobs while they been around for a year and a half compared to Quinn's 3 years and guest roles and Tina's 5 years, Glee is cruel.

Thanks, Chriscolferlightning, I am actually surprised that Kurt had sung that much, even if most of it are duets with the top 2 contenders. What would be interesting is breaking down how many of the songs were sung to Kurt in his own storylines. Mercedes sang to Kurt in Grilled Cheesus. Even the whole Marry Me grouping, which had Kurt's beloved father getting married didn't have him actually singing in it.

It was my pleasure! This needed to be stated, and I do statements on my tumblr every now and then, but this is the first time I ever went into such detail with how much songs ALL characters in Glee club sing. I did a more detailed post on my tumblr that listed every song from each season and who have sung it (Solos and duets only). I have did my research, so I know the name of every solo and duet each of the remaining season 6 characters have did, that is how I numbered them actually, I number each characters on that list by their performance of a solo and duet performance in each season so I am pretty accurate since I have gone over my past few mistakes when it came to tracking down who sung what song and when.

You are in luck love!    Since I am a Kurtsie, I have definitely already tracked down Kurt's solos, duets, and who have sung to him already!  

Kurt Hummels Solos And Duet’s Season 1-5:

Season 1 Kurt Solo:

1: Roses Turn

Season 1 Kurt Duet’s:

1: Defying Gravity with Rachel

2: 4 Minutes with Mercedes

3: A House Is Not A Home with Finn

Season 2 Kurt Solos:

1: I Want To Hold Your Hand

2: Le Jazz Hot

3: Black Bird

4: As If We Never Said Goodbye

5: Some People

Season 2 Kurt Duets:

1: Happy Days Are Here Again/ Get Happy with Rachel

2: Don’t Cry For Me Argentina with Rachel

3: For Good with Rachel

4: Baby it’s Cold Outside with Blaine

5: Animal with Blaine

6: Candles with Blaine

Season 3 Kurt Solos:

1: I’m The greatest Star

2: I Have Nothing

3: Not The Boy Next Door

4: I’ll Remember

Season 3 Kurt Duet’s:

1: Perfect with Blaine

2: Let It Snow with Blaine

3: Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead with Rachel


Season 4 Kurt Solos:

1: Being Alive

2: You Are The Sunshine Of My Life

Season 4 Kurt Duet’s:

1: White Christmas with Blaine

2: Just Can’t Get Enough with Blaine

3: Come What May with Blaine

4: Bring Him Home with Rachel

Season 5 Kurt SOLO:

1: I’m Still Here

Season 5 Kurt Duet’s:

1: Got To Get You In To My Life with Blaine

2: You Make Me Feel So Young with Blaine

3: Love is a battlefield with Blaine

4: Story Of My Life with Blaine

5: American Boy with Blaine

6: I Believe In A Thing Called Love with Elliot

7: Rock Star with Elliot

8: Memory with Maggie

9: Lucky Star with Maggie

10: Get Back with Rachel

11: I Am Changing with Mercedes

While Kurt's popularity rose in season 2, he had the most diverse people to sing with in season 5, and sung his most solos in season 2, before he met Blaine, and after he left Dalton, all which ironically meant Kurt DID have ore solos like he stated to Blaine in season 3, before and after Blaine was around and to be fair to the Humelberry duets, once Blaine came in the picture, Kurt only sung with Rachel once per season after season 2, or to more accurately state this, once Rachel found her 'soul singer' Blaine, she no longer needed to sing with Kurt in Glee club, or even really Finn anymore which is honestly really sad if you think about it since 14 of Finn's duets out of his 25 duets was shared with Rachel, sees like the Hudmel brothers are only used for relationship plots and it makes me sad to think how cruel rib is for not giving them a real story outside of crappy relationships and develop their relationship more as brothers and friends before Finn passed away

Now here is the list of songs and people that have sung to Kurt:

1: Blaine has sung to Kurt once in season 2 with Somewhere only we know, He sung an accusation at Kurt once in season 3 (Not right but it's ok) so I do not know if that count or not? Twice in season 4 with It's Time and Teenage Dream sob fest, He sung at Kurt and the audience for that death trap of an engagement with All You Need Is Love, so I do not know if that count? And not while I' around was a Nyada solo so I do not know if that really counts either? So as far as sincere solos for Kurt goes, Blaine only really sung 3 genuine songs for Kurt, well two if you take away that crappy Teenage Dream guilty live sob fest in season 4.

2: Mercedes has sung to Kurt once in season 1 with Bust Your windows for that whole crush fiasco threat, then twice in season 2 with I look to You and Bridge over troubled waters, so a total of 3 songs aswell

3: Finn has sung to Kurt once during  season 2 during Furt and maybe he sung Losing my Religion at Kurt? idk,he was looking at hi in the library, but yeah 1 song for Kurt, so add those songs together and Kurt was sung to about 5 or 6 times

Thanks Chriscolferlightning. Now I've a better idea of how has been the songs distribution Smile. But still I'm surprised Finn isn't in a higher position, there was a time, mainly in season 1, that I used to think he sings more as he was paired with Rachel.

No problem! We all deserve to know how foul glee is treating the hard working actors when it comes to fairness of songs and even screen time and their gross favoritism with giving Rachel a total hundred amount of solos and duets while the rest of the characters that's been around for 5 seasons as well can barely hit 40 total solos and duets, let along 62 like Blaine who has been around for 3 and a half seasons

The sad truth about Finn is that while he was seen a lot and was shown as the leading man, the only time Glee cared about him singing was in early season 1, and after that it was only when he was singing with Rachel, same happened to Kurt when Blaine popped up in the picture. Finn sung the most solos when he was not dating Rachel:

Finn's Solo list when he is not with Rachel:
1: Can't Fight this feeling Anymore
2: Hello I Love You
3: I'll stand By You
4: You're Having My Baby
5: She's Not There
6: I've Gotta be Me

So as we can see, without dating Rachel, Finn sings 6 times out of 11 of his solos, and with Rachel he sings 5 times out of his 11 solos.


Finn's Duet list when he is not with Rachel that he does not sing with Rachel:

1: House Is Not a home with Kurt
2: Beth with Puck
3: I Don't Want To Know with Quinn
4: Barely Breathing with Bland
5: Juke Box Hero with Ryder
6: Bye Bye Bye/ I want it That way with Will
7: Fight For Your Right To Party with Puck

Finn's Duet list while dating Rachel and not singing the duet with Rachel:

1: Hit Me With Your Best Shot, One Way Or Another with Santana
2: Santa Clause s coming to Town with Puck
3: Glory Days
4: Rain In Spain with Puck

And when he is not dating Rachel, he sings 7 duets with other people besides Rachel, and while he is dating Rachel he sings 4 duets with other people that are not Rachel, so all of those duets total that is not with Rachel adds up to 11 duets. Finn has a total of 25 duets and he sings 14 of them with Rachel.

Now seeing this list when it comes to solos and duets you can see the whole Finn treatment, but If I did a group number and Finn solo lines in them, I think his count sheet would be way higher since him and Rachel did lead constantly in group numbers that were not Finchel duets.  

[ColferInspired]

Blarren stans have finally found a new shiny toy to obsess over, in Jack Falahee who plays Connor Walsh in the show "How To Get Away With Murder".

Most of their tags on twitter have connor or walsh as a part of their handles now, and their pics of Darren have been replaced by Jack's face.

Thing is he is such a shy and awkward guy, that is a lovable dork, who loves Star Wars,  and going to Disneyland.

I am sure he can handle their crazy.

They already have their new ship Coliver that they are writing endless fics on. Oliver was Connor's boyfriend on the show, but isn't anymore. The guy that plays Oliver is openly gay.

[brisallie]

Some Blarren stans are also obsessed with Dandy, well with Finn Wittrock (I think that is his name) who plays the character. So yeah, it seems new shiny toys are taking Darren place.

[ColferInspired]

Well, both can act and obviously are not afraid of hard work.  

And they are not playing themselves.

These two actors become their characters and it is amazing to see.

[brisallie]

I've read so good comments about 'Dandy' that apparently I've to see AHS.

I'm trying not to be evil, but sometimes is impossible when it comes to Glee. I found on twitter this vid as a representation of how Fox want to get rid of Glee.

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/B273gaHIIAAtLwB.mp4

[ColferInspired]

"…hopefully you’ll be back for season 7, American Horror Story: No Exit, when everyone who’s ever died in a season of American Horror Story meets up in Hell, and it turns out that Hell in the American Horror Story universe is actually Glee.”
X - American Horror Story S4E7 EW Recap

[Divalicious]

^hahahaha. Truer words have been rarely said. I wonder if some of the Glee actors (not Chris, because he already has other examples of his talent) might find having Glee on their resume hinders their acting opportunities. Nobody is proud of this show. Gosh, I just think back to how excited we were in the beginning, all the accolades, and then to total trash. Not that the topic really belongs here, but can anyone else think of a show that was a critical hit, and truly wonderful, which just became painful to watch? I think Glee may have set a new standard.

[Glorfindel]

^Well, there was 'Heroes'.....  

But yeah, Glee threw away it's potential in a spectacular fashion. And it's very obvious a, and Hollywood knows it, that Ryan & co. have only themselves to blame for the quick decline in quality of Glee (even though they try to blame e.g. Cory's death).


As for the actors: I think some of them will be viewed with sympathy after their Glee years, because the same Hollywood that saw how RIB screwed up their show will also remember how RIB neglected and ignored their best talents and assets of Glee: the original cast. They will pity them more than condemsn them for Glee.

On the other hand: some of the actors who were pushed up front where they didn't belong, and were imo a significant part to blame for the downfall of Glee, might carry that stain on their resume for a while, and that could influence their careers negatively.

[Jellyrolls]

Honestly, the only one who I think Glee can really be a hindrance to is Darren, and that is mostly based on the rapid decline in viewers as he was thrust to the forefront of the show is something that any smart showrunner would have to take that into consideration before casting Darren in a leading role.

It could possibly hurt Matt, as well, mainly because he went from a lead character with lots of storylines to someone who was barely used by the time season 4 rolled along. It could make a showrunner wonder if RIB lost confidence in Matt as a leading man, or if there was something behind the scenes that made him lose favor. Matt has Broadway to fall back on, though--someplace where he had success before Glee.

The reality is that for most of the cast, Glee is going to be the pinnacle of their careers. That's just the reality in show business. Jane will be fine because she was well established before Glee, but for everyone else (including Chris), it is going to be a while before we know who (if anyone) is going to be a breakout star beyond Glee. Sure, many of them will be able to support themselves acting in guest spots and cheesy Hallmark Channel movies, and some may find themselves on the celeb reality tv circuit (I wouldn't be surprised to see another Glee cast member on Dancing with the Stars in 2015), but some of them will probably find that the opportunities just aren't there for them after Glee.

It will be interesting to see where the cast is in a year or two.

[Buenos]

I agree that for now Jane is the only "sure" thing. I expect her to be on another prime time TV show within a year. Showrunners must be chomping at the bit to utilize her.

[Glorfindel]

But not performing.

I'm not shocked  considering that since he worked on the Glee pilot in 2008 Chris has never performed live in any venue as a solo artist outside of Glee.

But Chris himself said he offered to perform last year at Trevor Live and was refused (and maybe there were other times as well we don't know about).
Instead he was swaying inaudible in the background with at least 3 other LGBTQIA+ actors, while 2 straight actors (amongst them the great straight ally who's so brave for not being grossed out when he has to kiss a gay actor) and 1 actor who's still formally in the closet (Kevin) sat up front and took the lead in the song.

The "other important thing" (according to Adam Shankman, when people started protesting to him in tweets) Chris was supposed to do instead of singing  turned out to be nothing special.

So it's not Chris who keeps himself from performing at Trevor.

I wonder if he'll get any real focus this year, but it seems Adam Shankman never really learns from his mistakes. (which admittedly must be hard to do when his head is firmyl wedged up Darren's ass)

[Buenos]

But Chris himself said he offered to perform last year at Trevor Live and was refused (and maybe there were other times as well we don't know about).
Instead he was swaying inaudible in the background with at least 3 other LGBTQIA+ actors, while 2 straight actors (amongst them the great straight ally who's so brave

I don't want to go another retread of last years arguments (rest assured Jellyrolls since you told us to drop it after while.) I admit it got out of hand.

I'm not saying Chris did or didn't want to perform live by singing.   We will never know since we are not inside his head.

However, Chris has never on the record said he wanted to perform and was turned down.      NEVER.   Now a fan on tumblr  who claimed that  Chris  told them Trevor Live 2013 turned him down when he asked to sing live, but as of now there is no way to confirm if that was true because Chris has never verified that in any interviews, etc. on the record. 

Admittedly, Last years Trevor Live announcement of Guests/performances was a mess.   People like Chris, Becca, Naya , Alex, etc at one point or another were announced as "performing".  IIRC Adam Shankman babbled  awkwardly at point that they had to see how to fit Chris in.  IN the end it seemed half the guest spoiled as performing did not.  It was the tribute to Jane Lynch and later Shankman said that people were accomodated with how they wanted to be used.  PLus Adam went into rehab straight after last years Trevor Live..   I know others disagree, but I take with a grain of salt that Chris planned to sing live all along and was bumped because of others.  I love Mark and Jenna, but I hardly think that Trevor Live allowed them solo lines (again IIRC, or was it also Kevin?) in the tribute to Jane Lynch and snubbed Chris deliberately.  (Side note: that tribute to her was odd, with actors commenting on she mocked their Glee characters as Coach Sylvester)

(Darren performing live is something I don't like to get into because that is a separate issue.  His  management company handles this event and his buddy Adam Shankman  is the director and he sings lives all the time anyway and every year at the particular event so I don't even factor him at all regarding Chris at Trevor Live, again separate issue)

Here are direct quotes from Chris Colfer:

http://www.theatermania.com/los-angeles-theater/news/07-2012/interview-chris-colfer-is-wishing-for-more_59526.html

The Glee star discusses his new novel for young adults, working with Sarah Jessica Parker, and his theatrical aspirations.

By Brian Scott Lipton • Jul 17, 2012 • Los Angeles

TM: You did the staged reading of 8 this spring with George Clooney and Brad Pitt and your Glee castmates Jane Lynch and Matthew Morrison. Did that fuel your desire to do more stage work?
CC: Absolutely. I got a little fix of it while we were on the Glee tour. I sang live at every performance and I really miss having that connection with the audience. I hope to be on Broadway in the next few years.

Chris on doing Broadway:

"Oh absolutlely 100% yes. I get approached to do shows all the time, and I just don’t have time.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/11/chris-colfer-glee-singing-fear_n_2455347.html

Kurt (Chris Colfer) may have his insecurities on "Glee," but singing never seemed to be one of them.
But according to Colfer, belting out tunes is no easy feat.
"I don't sing unless I have to. Or in the shower," the actor told Vulture. "Honestly, singing is my biggest fear. I never participate in group singing activity."
While he noted that singing in the studio while taping "Glee" episodes isn't nearly as nerve-wracking, Colfer admitted the "Glee" live tour, which ran from 2010 to 2011, was difficult.
"I wish I [had conquered my fear of public singing] on the 'Glee' live tour ... I just force myself to go out there, even when I'm shaking," he said.

We know Chris is singing as Noel Coward  (YAY!!) And I'm sure before he's done he will having a singing role in a Broadway musical during his career.
We also know that Chris is not adverse to being on stage again.  We also know as far as singing live he has stage fright.

What is not clear in his interviews is wheter he has any intention or ambition, stripped of a specific role/character to perform  live as Chris Colfer, the singer.

Again what I posted last year:

Sorry but Chris HIMSELF has said he doesn't like or is comfortable singing live as himself.  

That is different then saying he doesn't want to sing as Kurt on Glee. The second example we have verifiable evidence, his interviews, which shows he is willing to sing as Kurt on Glee and enjoys it.   So I agree it's bullshit  not giving him songs to sing as Kurt as far as Chris not wanting to perform as Kurt.

Now for a different scenario:  Chris  has not sang live on his own EVER since he came out on Glee.    EVER.    He's sang as Kurt including the last time in the summer of 2011.  That is over two years ago.

To repeat:
Chris has said in several occasions he is not comfortable singing live.
He has never sang live as Chis Colfer
So to say he might never have been committed to SING on Trevor Live is not perpetuating a rumor, it's a speculation based upon his past record.

As to last year:

I"m not saying the fan was lying, but It's desengenous to say because a fan on Tumblr  had no incentive to say something they that there fore it's accurate and true .  It could be, but that's hardly evidence for what I think is a pretty serious accusation to fling at Trevor Live.  "

Others can disagree since none of us are flies in the room. 

[Glorfindel]

However, Chris has never on the record said he wanted to perform and was turned down.      NEVER.   Now a fan on tumblr  who claimed that  Chris  told them Trevor Live 2013 turned him down when he asked to sing live, but as of now there is no way to confirm if that was true because Chris has never verified that in any interviews, etc. on the record. 

Tbh, I'm more than sick and tired of argueing with you again, so I won't continu with it after this post, but what I have trouble with is why 99% of the time we have no trouble at all believing what a fan gets to hear from Chris' mouth directly at e.g. a signing, while now suddenly this particular instance gets dismissed as unreliable or even completely made up?

Of course we can't look in Chris' mind, and since we're not flies on the walls in Hollywood we'll probably never know what happens BTS at events like Trevor Live. But you can't just  call a fan flatout a troll or at the best misguided simply to attempt to strengthen your opinion. Then you would have to do that with everything Chris says that is not confirmed by his team, in the written media or on tv.
And why would a fan lie about this? Why would they specifically lie about or completely misunderstand what he said on this particular issue, something that's not so easy to misinterpret or taken out of context, and probably was a direct question from the fan to Chris? Sure, it can't be verified, but on the other hand it's not exactly something that Chris would bring up in a pubic interview, in order not to embarrass a man in the same business like Adam Shankman.

So, asuming this fan heard it right, "performing" is still a term open to interpretation, but besides acting and singing I can't think of any other performing skill that Chris would have up his sleeve to perform at an event like Trevor, unless he's better at tapdancing than we know, lol. And I don't think making a short intro or announcement can be counted or described as "performing". So,.... yeah, I stand by my opinion.

Plus last year Chris would not have had to sing alone, as he easily could have been singing along with Mark, Kevin, Jenna and/or Darren. That wouldn't have put too much strain on him if he's still uncomfortable with presenting himself as 'Chris the singer': sitting on a stool surrounded by a lot of his Glee mates, and being accompanied by at least 3 other excellent singers, something we know Chris has done before at the concert tours and PR events like the White House Egg Roll.
And it's not like Trevor Live is a high profile event like the Oscars or the Emmy's, so imo it would have been a good opportunity to start working on his nerves for singing, something we do know Chris has said he wanted to actively work on.

Anyway, whether singing or not, at an event like Trevor Live Chris, as a young out male who's breakout character and own life are perfect representatives of everything Trevor stands for, should  get a more prominent role than he has gotten so far, but I guess some people are too busy kissing up the butts of the straight allies.

[Ranwing]

I'll be blunt here. The difference between how Chris and Darren approach this event is really mindboggling. Chris is there because he very much believes in the mission of the Trevor Project because he was the kind of kid that this organization was designed to help. His life story and the challenges he'd overcome are a great example for gay youth and because Chris believes in this organization, attends this event regardless of how his presence is utilized because he wants to show support. Chris recognizes that this isn't about him - it's about the mission and helping at risk LGTBQ youth.

Darren, on the other hand, is there to perform. For all that he may believe in and support the organization's mission, he is also there to promote himself. He's got a PR team that is hard at work to get him featured at every event possible and it's very strange that he would get chosen to perform for several years in a row because I cannot imagine that he's really that popular. Darren needs to be featured in order to prove that he's got some relevance. Darren is using the event as much as they're using him.

[ColferInspired]

We have no idea how Chris feels about singing live as himself right now.

Things might have changed and he has got over the stage fright and now would be happy to sing as himself on stage.

What Chris said in the past might have all changed and he does not feel that way anymore.  

If Chris did sing it would of course draw focus away from Darren, which is what his people would not want.

The media would be more interested if Chris did go up on that stage and sing as it would be something not seen before. It would definitely make news.

[Buenos]

but what I have trouble with is why 99% of the time we have no trouble at all believing what a fan gets to hear from Chris' mouth directly at e.g. a signing, while now suddenly this particular instance gets dismissed as unreliable or even completely made up?

Who is this tumblr person?  If they misheard is a possibility but not just with Chris but with every celebrity and every stan I take with a grain of salt that they hear everything a celebrity says 100 % accurately with no mistakes.  I have read tumblr people quote alot of celebs and i take it with a grain of salt.  Others of course don't have to and can take it as 100  percent gospel truth.

I'll be blunt here. The difference between how Chris and Darren approach this event is really mindboggling. Chris is there because he very much believes in the mission of the Trevor Project because he was the kind of kid that this organization was designed to help. His life story and the challenges he'd overcome are a great example for gay youth and because Chris believes in this organization, attends this event regardless of how his presence is utilized because he wants to show support. Chris recognizes that this isn't about him - it's about the mission and helping at risk LGTBQ youth.

Darren, on the other hand, is there to perform. For all that he may believe in and support the organization's mission, he is also there to promote himself. He's got a PR team that is hard at work to get him featured at every event possible and it's very strange that he would get chosen to perform for several years in a row because I cannot imagine that he's really that popular. Darren needs to be featured in order to prove that he's got some relevance. Darren is using the event as much as they're using him

Nice to know one can can read hearts and minds to see the true motivation of people at Trevor Live. 

Good for Darren he likes to perform at Trevor Live, like I said his management company puts up the event and he's apparently close to Adam Shankman, the director, so since we all can  read hearts and minds, I think Darren performs at Trevor Live every year because he sincerely wants to contribute and is asked every year.  If that makes others bitter, whatever.

If anybody questioned the motivation of Chris at any event I would freely tell them to fuck off, but that's just me.  Mileage varies.

On to a more positive note, Glee will be done in 2 months and Chris will have  more option for singing opportunities.  If Chris elects to in the next few years he can sing live as Chris Colfer and I would be thrilled.  If Chris chooses not to sing live I would be sad, but respect his choice. 

I doubt if random Tumblr co9mments  will change my mind if Chris does not sing live again  that somehow he's the eternal victim being snubbed left and right because Jenna, Mark and others who like to sing in public sing more are being pushed above him. 

It's a free country that way.

BTW, alot of horrible things are said about Chris in Tumblr too, even "quoting" him, but hey it's all 100 % true and accurate because some one said it on Tumblr. 

[ColferInspired]

I will just wait for the gifs and any video that might pop up if Chris decides to walk the red carpet. Hopefully with Will in tow.  

I am hoping next year once Glee is finished they don't ask Darren, as he has too much focus on him. I would like it to mainly have members of the lgbt+ community of Hollywood performing.

Allies can be presenters which is what they should be only.

[Glorfindel]

I'll be blunt here. The difference between how Chris and Darren approach this event is really mindboggling. Chris is there because he very much believes in the mission of the Trevor Project because he was the kind of kid that this organization was designed to help. His life story and the challenges he'd overcome are a great example for gay youth and because Chris believes in this organization, attends this event regardless of how his presence is utilized because he wants to show support. Chris recognizes that this isn't about him - it's about the mission and helping at risk LGTBQ youth.

Darren, on the other hand, is there to perform. For all that he may believe in and support the organization's mission, he is also there to promote himself. He's got a PR team that is hard at work to get him featured at every event possible and it's very strange that he would get chosen to perform for several years in a row because I cannot imagine that he's really that popular. Darren needs to be featured in order to prove that he's got some relevance. Darren is using the event as much as they're using him.

Nice to know Glorfindel can read hearts and minds to see the true motivation of people at Trevor Live. 

Wow, you're some piece of work. Quick to dish it but can't take it.
Ridiculing other posters for their opinion by exaggerating, belittling and hyperboling what they said, flatout telling them they're wrong, taking things out of context, questioning other Chris/Kurt's fans motives, calling them bitter and/or naive.
But to cover up your clear mocking and bullying it's all "mileage varies" and "it's a free country", which I find rather hypocrite coming from you, as you just love to try to push your opinion down everyone's throat who doesn't agree with you.

And either you've wrongfully put ^that quote in my mouth in your haste to give me a snark (which if so.....fail), or your reading comprehension skills are not as good as you think, as nowhere in my post above did I ever suggest I can read hearts and minds: I was just giving my opinion on what could have happened.

JFYI: although I do not pretend that I can read hearts and minds I am actually of the opinion that @Ranwing is not far off the mark in his last post, if at all.


-ETA-
I bolded and made my name red in Buenos quote, since she cowardly went back and changed it to "one" and also edited some offensive parts out of that same post after I called her out on it. I'll make sure to copy and quote her entire post the next time, so she can't change stuff afterwards anymore and pretend it never happened.
And LMAO: she's very quick to apologize to @Ranwing for the harsh words that were clearly meant for me, but no apology to me for the misquote. Which is quite telling on what really went down before she tried to cover up her tracks.

[Buenos]

Ranwing, I disagree with your opinion, but that's fair game.  I do think Darren is sincere at Trevor LIve, sorry if I offended you.

Regardless, I do think Chris chooses his career path and whether he wants to sing live or not.  I think he does have enough "clout" and star prescense in HW that if he requested to sing at some event, alot of HW movers and shakers would ensure he could do it.

After Glee is over I hope Chris decides to sing live some day, I'd be first in line to buy tickets to said event.

[brisallie]

I know we want Chris to sing live,and singing at Trevor Live would be a good opportunity. But I'm sorry to say this, but I feel this discussion once again has turned into 'darren versus chris'. Seriously, we don't know what's going on off stage, and though on tumblr is been said Chris wanted to sing but was turned down, how trustful is that person or blog?

[ColferInspired]

Trevor should be for the lgbt+ community.

Whether Darren is sincere or not is a matter of interpretation.

I know Chris said in one radio interview this year that after Glee he might have to find some other way to sing for his fans. He has jokingly hinted at doing an album, mentioning about his music video's will be very emotional.

[Ranwing]

Given how bad record sales have been across the board, I'd rather not see Chris do an album, have it sell poorly and then be regarded as a failure as a singer (and reduce his opportunities to sing in the future). I think that the avenue Chris will take is to pick the occasional project like the Noel Coward biopic that will give him the opportunity to sing as part of the performance. The Noel film will very likely have the soundtrack released, which would include any of Chris's vocal performances from the film, so we'll have an album with Chris singing. If he originates a role in a Broadway musical (which is a very plausible prospect for him in the next few years), he'd get featured in the cast album.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - the key for Chris's success (and for the other actors in the cast) will be to be highly selective about what projects they pick and focus on doing quality work. Chris has got to do projects that get him good critical reception and decent sales in order to have a lasting career and I don't see an album, at this point, being a part of that.

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