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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
ColferInspired 10/9/2013, 8:19 am
arina wrote:
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- His death wasn't heroic, it was tragic.
What he did when he was alive made him a hero to many fans.
They should not be exploiting his death like they are doing. The tribute should have been the final goodbye for the cast and crew and for his fans.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
Lottie2303 10/9/2013, 8:20 am
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- Yes, he should be remembered for his life and not how he died. But Ryan and the media are pretending as if Cory died while jumping in front of a car to save a child. I dislike how they present the drug abuse as something heroic.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
arina 10/9/2013, 8:21 am
Glorfindel wrote:
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We're told that all the cast was in this together yet Ryan threw serious shade at some of them in several articles. And in this particular article Lea even said that because she could get through filming her song, the other cast members better not complain about finding their songs difficult to film as noone possibly could have it worse than her while filming hers! That's not how individual grieving works, young lady.
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- I think it was not Lea who was talking about it in this interview but Matthew Morrison.
Also I don't follow Lea closely but I think it was her first interview after Cory's death befefore she only gave her speech at the teen or kids choice award or what it was and I see nothing wrong with that...
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
Glorfindel 10/9/2013, 9:07 am
arina wrote:
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Also I don't follow Lea closely but I think it was her first interview after Cory's death befefore she only gave her speech at the teen or kids choice award or what it was and I see nothing wrong with that...
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- It was Matt telling what Lea herself said after shooting that song, so yeah: it was Lea.
And it's not particularly this interview nor her TCA speech that turns me off from Lea's public grieving, but these 2 incidents on top of the articles her own PR team constantly put out there since Cory's death: how she arranged everything after Cory's death, how devastated she is, and how she braved through when it comes to the tribute episode.
As if she's the only one mourning Cory.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
Glorfindel 10/9/2013, 9:17 am
Bringing this back to spoilers about Glee:
If the tribute episode is set...
When will they finally end this stupid school year? McKinley is really stuck in GroundHog Day.
And yet they are singing songs that only came out this summer.
Glee logic, tsk.
If the tribute episode is set...
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- a few weeks after Finn's death,
When will they finally end this stupid school year? McKinley is really stuck in GroundHog Day.
And yet they are singing songs that only came out this summer.
Glee logic, tsk.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
arina 10/9/2013, 9:22 am
Glorfindel wrote:arina wrote:
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Also I don't follow Lea closely but I think it was her first interview after Cory's death befefore she only gave her speech at the teen or kids choice award or what it was and I see nothing wrong with that...
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And it's not particularly this interview nor her TCA speech that turns me off from Lea's public grieving, but these 2 incidents on top of the articles her own PR team constantly put out there since Cory's death: how she arranged everything after Cory's death, how devastated she is, and how she braved through when it comes to the tribute episode.
As if she's the only one mourning Cory.
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- Maybe I read these articles but I didn't consider them being work of PR team...I am personally really an laymer about these things... how can I recognize that some article is work of some celebrity PR team and not for example just ordinary article that voluntarily on its own created some particular website?
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
arina 10/9/2013, 9:24 am
Yeah, it's going to be as much realistic as every other thing on Glee these days....Glorfindel wrote:Bringing this back to spoilers about Glee:
If the tribute episode is set...... then when the hell are we in canon Glee time? It must be at least the end of May or June then.
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When will they finally end this stupid school year? McKinley is really stuck in GroundHog Day.
And yet they are singing songs that only came out this summer.
Glee logic, tsk.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
Ranwing 10/9/2013, 9:25 am
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- I'll join with everyone else that I am very dissappointed and discomforted by how that interview played out. Now I don't know Lea personally and I'm not going to try to read too much into how real her realtionship with Cory was (such as if they actually were heading towards engagment or not) but they were together to some degree and he is now gone. I believe that in the initial weeks following his death that her grief was genuine, but it is a few months later and we can't mention Lea without mentioning how she lost Cory. I hate to say it, but it does come across to some degree that his death is being milked to get publicity for not just Glee, but Lea as well.
There were several things that have been bothering me but I put them on the back burner because it didn't seem right to bring it all up while the loss was still so fresh. It didn't seem right to bring it up but now that we've got the tribute to Cory right on our doorsteps, it's impossible to just ignore them. Such as Diana not being invited and the rumors that Lea herself was involved because of a falling out they had and not wanting to be upstaged. The multiple interviews where the cast members who might have been reluctant to air their grief publically were all but mocked really makes me uncomfortable. And Lea has certainly been the recipient of a lot of positive publicity in the aftermath (seeming to counter the persistent rumors of how much of a diva she is). A fuss was made over everyone turning out to support Lea at the TCAs (and ridiculing Chris for not being there) but nothing has been said about how little Lea has ever turned out to support the other members of her cast in their outside projects. Such as not coming out to support Amber in her first appearance on DWTS. There has been very much a "look at me" air that I just can't ignore.
Marie, I agree that too much of the focus of how Finn's death will impact the group is going to be on Rachel and they will conveniently ignore the fact that she ended things with Finn and were not anywhere in the process of reconciliation. Kurt's role as Finn's brother is likely to be short-changed because the climax of the episode is likely to be Rachel with her great song of loss. It's manipulative and the constant highlighting of Rachel as the icon of mourning really sets my teeth on edge. Rachel might have been the great love of Finn's life, but it cannot be said that Finn was Rachel's. Not when each and every time Rachel had to make a concious choice between Finn and her own ambitions, she chose herself. The one time when Rachel did choose Finn was after she blew her NYADA audition and she thought that she had nothing else.
Bah... this whole thing is putting me in a really bad mood now.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
coxfire 10/9/2013, 10:02 am
Glorfindel wrote:Bringing this back to spoilers about Glee:
If the tribute episode is set...... then when the hell are we in canon Glee time? It must be at least the end of May or June then.
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When will they finally end this stupid school year? McKinley is really stuck in GroundHog Day.
And yet they are singing songs that only came out this summer.
Glee logic, tsk.
Didn't you know, Marie? "Glee time" is fluid, unlike our RL time, sometimes a week lasts 4 months and sometimes 4 months last 3 days. Who knows? Afterall, this is a world where cheaters are heroes, where people land BW parts after 1 audition, where travelling to Lima from NY can be done right in the middle of a day at work!!! Who cares about the timelines, only 2 thing counts: "Blaine is supersexymageawsomefoxyblablabla and gets a pass for everything he'll ever fuck up and Rachel is a Special Snowflake who should have been awarded a Tony when she was in High Sochool". The rest doesn't matter.
(should I have taken this to the S&B thread?)
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
AnneNeville 10/9/2013, 10:50 am
^ I agree, and (serious harsh snark ahead)Glorfindel wrote:^This.
If they would only shut up and let the Cory/Finn tribute be just that: a simple and honest tribute, not make it the big media attention whoring attempt they are doing now to get more viewers and to milk Lea's tragedy (not also his family's or the rest of his friends/cast members) for sympathy votes.
I put the rest behind spoiler bars, because gloves are off:
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I can't help but think that a lot what I see/read are crocodile tears, from Lea, but especially Ryan. I'm sure they are both mourning Cory, but turning Lea into a grieving but brave heroine and Ryan in a genious but gentle Godfather to get this episode done is getting too much. Maybe it's just the PR management and Ryan doing that, not Lea, but I'm starting to find it disgusting.
And it will probably reflect in the canon of Glee as well, with Rachel being the mourning widow of a boy she dated on and off in high school and barely saw in the last year of his excistence.
In the mean time Kurt lost his brother for 3 years and Finn was his first big crush as well. And add to that the fact that Kurt also already lost his mother and almost his father twice. But I bet that after the needed Hudmel scenes in the tribute they'll forget all about him mourning Finn. (As Burt and Carole are guest actors/characters on the show I don't even expect them to show up again besides at the Klaine wedding, blegh.)
Also: what about Puck, who was Finn's best friend through high school and last time we saw him was studying with him, linving in a dorm together? He's getting shipped off to the army, good riddance.
As I said before: reserving judgement and the real rage till after the episode airs, but this media spiel is seriously starting to piss me off. There's nothing organic about this episode now anymore: we're told to like the episode, we're told to cry, we're told that this episode is perfect and dare you not find fault with it, we're told that Rachel and Lea are the bravest persons to ever grace this earth.
We're told that all the cast was in this together yet Ryan threw serious shade at some of them in several articles. And in this particular article Lea even said that because she could get through filming her song, the other cast members better not complain about finding their songs difficult to film as noone possibly could have it worse than her while filming hers! That's not how individual grieving works, young lady.
If I combine Lea's statement with Ryan's comments about the cast in those other articles I feel uncomfortable about this episode in more ways than one.
And I don't want to feel uncomfortable about Cory/Finn's tribute besides just being extremely sad that he's gone and there are real people on my screen trying their damnest best with doing their jobs to give his fans some closure while mourning him themselves as well.
Like Lottie said: just SHUT UP!!!
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- Lea's comment about her pain compared to her castmates is just disgusting. It's not a competition. I don't think I'll look at her the same again.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
coxfire 10/9/2013, 11:21 am
I agree with that too.AnneNeville wrote:^ I agree, and (serious harsh snark ahead)Glorfindel wrote:^This.
If they would only shut up and let the Cory/Finn tribute be just that: a simple and honest tribute, not make it the big media attention whoring attempt they are doing now to get more viewers and to milk Lea's tragedy (not also his family's or the rest of his friends/cast members) for sympathy votes.
I put the rest behind spoiler bars, because gloves are off:
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I can't help but think that a lot what I see/read are crocodile tears, from Lea, but especially Ryan. I'm sure they are both mourning Cory, but turning Lea into a grieving but brave heroine and Ryan in a genious but gentle Godfather to get this episode done is getting too much. Maybe it's just the PR management and Ryan doing that, not Lea, but I'm starting to find it disgusting.
And it will probably reflect in the canon of Glee as well, with Rachel being the mourning widow of a boy she dated on and off in high school and barely saw in the last year of his excistence.
In the mean time Kurt lost his brother for 3 years and Finn was his first big crush as well. And add to that the fact that Kurt also already lost his mother and almost his father twice. But I bet that after the needed Hudmel scenes in the tribute they'll forget all about him mourning Finn. (As Burt and Carole are guest actors/characters on the show I don't even expect them to show up again besides at the Klaine wedding, blegh.)
Also: what about Puck, who was Finn's best friend through high school and last time we saw him was studying with him, linving in a dorm together? He's getting shipped off to the army, good riddance.
As I said before: reserving judgement and the real rage till after the episode airs, but this media spiel is seriously starting to piss me off. There's nothing organic about this episode now anymore: we're told to like the episode, we're told to cry, we're told that this episode is perfect and dare you not find fault with it, we're told that Rachel and Lea are the bravest persons to ever grace this earth.
We're told that all the cast was in this together yet Ryan threw serious shade at some of them in several articles. And in this particular article Lea even said that because she could get through filming her song, the other cast members better not complain about finding their songs difficult to film as noone possibly could have it worse than her while filming hers! That's not how individual grieving works, young lady.
If I combine Lea's statement with Ryan's comments about the cast in those other articles I feel uncomfortable about this episode in more ways than one.
And I don't want to feel uncomfortable about Cory/Finn's tribute besides just being extremely sad that he's gone and there are real people on my screen trying their damnest best with doing their jobs to give his fans some closure while mourning him themselves as well.
Like Lottie said: just SHUT UP!!!
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- As I said in the discussion thread, mourning / grieving is such a personnal process that judging how X or Y reacts is uncalled for. Just like I feel uncomfortable to read people doubting Lea's sorrow, her statement is just as inappropriate: whatever she feels is hers, but whatever the other feel are theirs. You feel up to the job? Fine for you, but don't patronize those who don't.
I also agree with Marie that the whole publing handling of Cory's death is turning into a huge clusterfuck. Glee should have aired it's episode and let the viewers say their goodbyes to both Finn and Cory, but shouldn't have advertized it the way they do.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
Glorfindel 10/9/2013, 11:58 am
coxfire wrote:
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- The more I think about what Lea said the more it angers me. Maybe she didn't mean it that way and the way Matt formulates it it was certainly more framed as an encouragement, but it really comes across as her patronizing other cast members who were very miserable and probably uncomfortable while filming their scenes too.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
coxfire 10/9/2013, 12:10 pm
Glorfindel wrote:
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- Yes, it seems indeed pretty crass. I hope for her that there was some twisting of her actual words between what she said, what Matt relayed to the journalist and what the journalist chose to retranscript, because otherwise that's very low of her. The circus going around this episode is ruining it.
Typical Glee, no?
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
sheny 10/9/2013, 12:14 pm
Casting Call
[HOT HIGH SCHOOL GIRL]
We are looking for extremely attractive SAG girls, any ethnicity, ages 18-22 years ONLY.
This is to play a high school student.
We are looking for MODEL HOT.
Rate $175/8.
Tentative work date is Monday October 21st.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
AnneNeville 10/9/2013, 12:17 pm
Re: the tribute (snarking again, since we're doing that right now):
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- I'm sickened by the way the cast/Ryan have pushed and pushed the tribute, especially the aspect of it being all real grief. Like, I'm beyond disgusted. I have a background in theatre, and let me tell you, if it's the actor's real self on stage/screen (though it does, frankly, go over a LOT better with film--which is why method was such a big deal) then you're not getting the best performance. I'm even more disgusted with Ryan's interview which says that they pretty much only did one take of everything for the tribute because it was so "raw."
I don't WANT to watch Chris and Lea and the others grieve for a friend. I really don't. I am even more unhappy because I am one of the few that thinks (and I really do think it) that Monchele was PR. That makes the whole escapade even MORE disgusting, if true. If not, the bottom line is still that I do not want to watch the actors' grief being broadcast. I do not believe that just filming people breaking down makes it "artful."
And I'm left with one of two choices: Ryan is lying, and they really shot as many takes as it took to get what they wanted, or he's telling the truth, and we're going to get a cut-rate performance of real grieving people stumbling through their parts. And if it's the latter, we're going to be asked to accept it because the cast was feeling bad.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
AnneNeville 10/9/2013, 12:17 pm
Another love interest for Sam?sheny wrote:Casting Call
[HOT HIGH SCHOOL GIRL]
We are looking for extremely attractive SAG girls, any ethnicity, ages 18-22 years ONLY.
This is to play a high school student.
We are looking for MODEL HOT.
Rate $175/8.
Tentative work date is Monday October 21st.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
bayth 10/9/2013, 12:26 pm
And don't you love that they are asking for 'hot' girls between the ages of 18-22. There are actors/actresses at McKinley that are a lot older than 22. 
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
AnneNeville 10/9/2013, 12:35 pm
Yeah, but this is almost certainly an ad for an extra (no lines). The pay is quite low.bayth wrote:And don't you love that they are asking for 'hot' girls between the ages of 18-22. There are actors/actresses at McKinley that are a lot older than 22.
18-22 (looking) is consistent with what is required for high school extras. You have to be above 18 but able to play younger. It is slightly possible that it could be for NYADA, of course.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
valkeakuulas 10/9/2013, 3:02 pm
"We are looking for MODEL HOT" Yes, that all about sums Glee's state of mind as far as acting goes: just look good and know how to b*** the right people.
All this tribute promotion stuff has made me extremely cynical about Glee. It manages to ruin everything. I'd love to be proven wrong along the way and will not even be too proud to admit I was wrong if Glee magically improves over this season.
All this tribute promotion stuff has made me extremely cynical about Glee. It manages to ruin everything. I'd love to be proven wrong along the way and will not even be too proud to admit I was wrong if Glee magically improves over this season.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
fantastica 10/9/2013, 3:06 pm
glee will not improve itself. it can't. it's not necessarily getting worse. it's just getting old. our perceptions change. i am pretty sure that from now on every episode is a tribute episode of some sort. they've jumped hte shark ages ago. they need to bring in aliens every time to keep the remaining viewers watching.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
AnneNeville 10/9/2013, 3:11 pm
Again, having extra'd, this is a very standard issue extra casting call. I get one asking for "model-hot" people every single day (of course, I never responded to those, LOL).valkeakuulas wrote:"We are looking for MODEL HOT" Yes, that all about sums Glee's state of mind as far as acting goes: just look good and know how to b*** the right people.
All this tribute promotion stuff has made me extremely cynical about Glee. It manages to ruin everything. I'd love to be proven wrong along the way and will not even be too proud to admit I was wrong if Glee magically improves over this season.
I think Glee deserves a lot of censure, but not for this. This isn't casting for a main character, nor necessarily even a high school student. For all we know, this is background casting for Kurt attending a fashion/runway show for Vogue. The pay is very low--just a bit above scale. Probably these are going to be featured extras on the screen for a few seconds.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
Glorfindel 10/9/2013, 4:04 pm
^Maybe she will be part of 'Blurred Lines'? 
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
AnneNeville 10/9/2013, 4:26 pm
Actually, that seems like a good possibility. I would have thought that a featured extra for something like that would get paid a bit more, but it is $175/8, so it's not bad. It's higher than scale, and if they go into overtime . . .Glorfindel wrote:^Maybe she will be part of 'Blurred Lines'?
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
Jellyrolls 10/9/2013, 10:44 pm
GOBR has been tweeting who is singing songs for 5x5
As we already knew, Marley is singing wreaking Ball
Unique is singing If I Were A Boy
They said they will say who is singing the other songs tomorrow.
As we already knew, Marley is singing wreaking Ball
Unique is singing If I Were A Boy
They said they will say who is singing the other songs tomorrow.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
M&M 10/9/2013, 10:45 pm
Song spoilers for 5x05
Wrecking Ball - Marley
If I were a Boy - Unique
I figured Unique would sing that. She will most likely be the bullied one in ep 4 into 5 (my guess) despite there not being much problem with it all year. Whatever Glee, its been done and it been done better. I am so sick of the recycled storylines and random newbie x getting said storylines and solos before Chris.
I hate this show so much. I haven't watched it live since halfway through last season and I find myself still caring more than I should.
Wrecking Ball - Marley
If I were a Boy - Unique
I figured Unique would sing that. She will most likely be the bullied one in ep 4 into 5 (my guess) despite there not being much problem with it all year. Whatever Glee, its been done and it been done better. I am so sick of the recycled storylines and random newbie x getting said storylines and solos before Chris.
I hate this show so much. I haven't watched it live since halfway through last season and I find myself still caring more than I should.
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