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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
Glorfindel 10/8/2013, 9:12 am
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
Glorfindel 10/8/2013, 9:26 am
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- I guess we'll never know how much of it (the entire episode) is the cast members acting, and what is just plain raw emotions, or a mixture of both. Somehow I find this disturbing, like I'm intruding. I understand the logic for doing a tribute, but I don't know what to feel about it.
Also to me it seemed as if Kurt's dialogue in that audioclip was exactly what Chris was feeling, with what he said in an interview recently about remembering Cory for who he was, missing him forever, and people constantly asking/telling him (Chris) how he felt or should feel. (paraphrasing)
I wonder how much influence some of the cast had in the tribute? If I think of what Kevin said or better: warned the fandom for, that the characters' reactions are not always the same reactions the actors had, I don't know. But what Kurt said could literally be something that Chris said, even his "This isn't real", as he said that on camera (in his hotel room) when he was in New York for Glee for the first time (in 2009).
Or maybe RIB just stole it from the actor's real life again.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
Lottie2303 10/8/2013, 9:31 am
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- I still couldn't listen to the audio clips but read Kurt's abstract. I totally agree, Marie, it sounds totally like Chris and not really like Kurt. Like they sat down and told Chris just to say what he wants to say in order to say goodbye and honor Finn. It was very disturbing to read. I almost dread listening to it later, but I know my curiosity will will.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
Ranwing 10/8/2013, 9:45 am
Am seriously a glutton for punishment because I couldn't help from listening to all the clips.Glorfindel wrote:
- audioclips 5.03:
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- The two most heartbreaking were obviously Kurt's and Rachel's. Their pain was so evident in just the tone of their voices and their responses were exectly what I would expect from these two characters (not the actors playing them). Kurt is bewildered, lost, not wanting to believe what is happening and locking up his emotions so he can function. I loved how he just referred to Finn as his brother (with no qualification about them being step-sibilings). Rachel is just lost in her grief and it's very raw and painful to listen to. Will's conflict about wanting to stay strong for his students (past and present) and not really coping with his own pain is also genuine and I'm glad that the show is acknowledging that he also has a right to deeply mourn Finn.
Sue's establishment of a memorial garden was touching and then lightened with her usual left handed zinger about planting the tree where she caught Finn and Quinn feeling one another up (and I was so glad to hear Quinn acknowledged even if Diana won't be there - she deserves to be remembered as an important part of Finn's life). Santana's peice, on the other hand, felt very out of place. While I was glad that they're not going to try to make their adversarial relationship into something that it wasn't, to hear Santana leveling insults about him just felt really inappropriate, as was her song (which is more about her than honoring Finn). It feels less about remembering Cory and Finn than it does just giving Santana focus because she's popular.
The show is hinting very subtley that Finn's death was the result of his own behavior with Kurt's line about Finn needing to be remembered for how he lived and not how he died which I'm taking as commentary to the accusations that Cory was not deserving of being honored because of the manner of his death.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
arina 10/8/2013, 9:54 am
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- I had the same thought... I was wondering if what Kurt was saying was what Chris was feeling as well.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
arina 10/8/2013, 10:05 am
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- I have not heard Santana's audio but I think the spoilers said she has one of the most memorable scene in the episode so I am curious about that. Her song though is my least favorite in this episode.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
Glorfindel 10/8/2013, 10:14 am
I completely agree with you, Wendy.
I caved too and listened to all the audioclips.
I caved too and listened to all the audioclips.
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Rachel's audioclip made me cry, and I can't really do that right now as I'm inbetween 2 lessons. Wow, how Lea managed to get through that scene.....
Which brings me to how hard it must have been for the cast members to sit in that choir room listening to all those heartbreaking songs and Lea tearing up like that. And they probably did that for hours and hours. That must have been so tough on them.
Sue's reaction didn't bother me, as this is Sue and that's how she deals. Will's reaction also seems genuine to me, and I like how they both (Sue and Will) emphasized that they, as the adults, needed to be there for the kids mourning Finn, which translates directly to one of the reasons for this tribute (if only Ryan would have kept his mouth shut about it).
Santana's reaction is the only one I don't like, and I don't know if it's Naya's delivery or just the fat jokes again, and this in combination to the "me, me, me" song she is singing.
But funny, I think that all of these reactions are very much in character for the characters, but also for the actors (as far as we can know them really). Which only shows how much RIB let the actors bleed into the characters.
In addition to what I said about Kurt's dialogue reflecting Chris' feelings: there's also this little flare of anger when he says that "people who have a problem with that" (how he mourns Finn) should remember that Finn was his brother. This really sounded almost verbatim like Chris to me, but it also fits Kurt as a character.
Same with what Rachel says in the choir room: Lea picked that song, and I cant help but feel that this is mostly Lea talking.
And again I feel uncomfortable about the blurring (he) of the characters and actors in this tribute. Maybe it's how they all wanted it (although I doubt that with Ryan's comments), but it feels to me like they are for a large part replaying a real life event, and I think I would have preferred a little more distance between the cast and their characters, as it will be heartbreaking enough as it is to see them saying goodbye to Finn without feeling like a peeping Tom watching the actors also mourn Cory, if you know what I mean.
But to be fair: so far it all sounds like a good, respectful episode, which RIB are capable of if they concentrate and commit, and as long as the cast at least is okay with most of it, I won't complain.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
Ranwing 10/8/2013, 10:17 am
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- This is one time when I seriously wish that someone just told Santana to shut up. Mocking Finn might be her thing and might be how she shows affection, but it's painfully out of place here. If Kurt is in the room when she's doing this, it's his brother that she's cracking jokes about. It's just not the time or the place for her to be making jokes about Finn's non-existant weight problem.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
Lottie2303 10/8/2013, 10:22 am
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- Kevin gave an interview ages ago that not all character react in a positive light and that the viewers shouldn't blame the actors. It gave a very good idea that at least someone doesn't handle the situation properly, which seems to be Santana (I already predicted it). Kevin seemed almost... terrified, to point out they still act with a script and it doesn't all reflect their own feelings. Lets see how they handle it. I don't find it that OOC that Santana treats the situation poorly. I also assume a big scene about her mourning and realizing that Finn is gone. But I haven't listened to the audio yet.
Overall, they clearly give the big SL's to their best actors. It shows they a) know who their real talents are, and b) that they still treated the tribute with a bit of respect.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
Glorfindel 10/8/2013, 10:29 am
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Yes, Kevin sounded very concerned about how the audience would receive certain characters' reactions. Something about the script must have worried Kevin, even scared him, and it could be Santana's reaction, or more.
Still, I wonder, with Kurt and Rachel's reactions, if they gave Chris and Lea some input and leeway to write their own feelings and merge them with their characters. Chris as a writer could certainly do that and maybe he even wanted to, and it seems that Lea had quite some influence (according to Trollmurphy) in this episode.
Or it's, as I said before, actor's bleed from RIB.
.....And maybe it's best not to think about it too much.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
Ranwing 10/8/2013, 10:30 am
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- I don't honestly mind that Santana is no more fond of Finn now that he's gone than she she was when he was alive. I hate the hypocrasy that comes when someone dies - suddenly people who couldn't stand them feel like they're obligated to say nice things that they don't really feel. But it makes no sense to give her any kind of prominent role or focus outside of supporting Rachel and Kurt. It would make great sense for her not to really care anything about Finn outside of the shock of having a peer die (which is always upsetting to those this young), but rather than calling on her to "honor" Finn in her "unique" manner, it would have made a lot more sense for her to be more concerned how Rachel and Kurt were coping.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
Lottie2303 10/8/2013, 10:42 am
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- I believe they want to represent the different perceptions and reactions towards death. So I can deal with Santana's SL. I just hope the key players all get enough, proper and respective screentime to say goodbye. Not just Kurt, but also Carole and Burt need to get focus. It would be unfair to cut their time short to focus more on Santana and her denial.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
MissSoniaPP 10/8/2013, 10:59 am
I'm going to see this episode
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- I've heard the audios:
- Rachel: I think I'll cry with Rachel for the 1st time
- Kurt: Felt more real. Closest to reality. Seemed what Chris would say
- Santana: Does not seem the scene that many people speak. Here she is still in "bitch mode". I think after this scene Santan will get real and go down
- Rachel: I think I'll cry with Rachel for the 1st time
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
Ireth 10/8/2013, 11:45 am
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- Kurt's and Rachel's clips made me cry...you can hear the real pain in their voices and it feels like intruding to listen to them. It also seems like the lines between the actor and character are blurred...What Kurt said sounds similar to what Chris may say, and Lea chose that song because it was special to her and Cory, just like how Rachel chose that song because it was special to her and Finn. Will's and Sue's clips were moving too. I must say, while I understand that Santana may react differenly than the rest to Finn's death, I did not like how callously she made those jokes at his memorial, can't she at least keep them to herself?
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
brisallie 10/8/2013, 12:11 pm
coxfire wrote:Thinking about it, I thought I read Glee wanted to do "twerking", no (or do I make that up?), and if I recall well, I heard about Miley Cyrus twerking with Robin Thicke at some event this summer, so, are the morons in charge going to subject us to some reenactment of that crap?
You didn't see the VMAS? That performance was everywhere, even on tv news, it was such a fuss. I don't get how are they going to "recreate" that, because the performance was considered so offensive that is even hard to find it on youtube. I already see parents complaining to Fox.As regards the tribute episode, usually I'm someone who I'm eager for know in advance what is going to happen, but this time I want to be surprised. I know that probably I'll be sobbing since the moment is announced "Finn is dead", but I want it to be a raw emotion. Having said that, let see if I don't fall in the temptation.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
coxfire 10/8/2013, 12:34 pm
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No. I don't watch TV (only stream TV shows I like or I'm recommended to watch, and even if I watched, I'm not sure it was braodcasted in France), and my musical style is so far remote from anything Miley Cyrus-like that I don't even bother her (and to be completely honest, I sometimes watch in mute or FF some Glee songs when I know I'll HATE them). And I used to watch some movies awards back in the time when I still liked the music they were awarding (which takes us back to 1996 to 2001/2...) but certainly not anymore
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
bayth 10/8/2013, 12:42 pm
I know this is probably a dumb question, but why are posts put behind spoiler bars in the spoiler thread?
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
AnneNeville 10/8/2013, 12:43 pm
I wish I still enjoyed Kurt, but when I watched the NYC edit of 5x2, I even thought that Chris looked kind of checked out (like in his dialogue before "Get Back" where he seemed to be waggling his head a lot, which struck me as off). I fully acknowledge that that is probably me projecting, but when it's gotten that bad, then I don't think I can watch anymore. And it ticks me off still, since I really liked the show for a while, and I identify so much with Kurt.Piciollina wrote:Yep, this is meJellyrolls wrote:My take on watching versus not watching? I still enjoy watching Chris on the show, even though I don't like what they have done Kurt, and I don't like that he is once again attached to an actor who can't keep up with him. So, I will continue to watch to see Chris and support him on the show.
Hollywood is a tough place, and though I believe that we will see more of Chris in the future, I also realize it's not a guarantee that we will see him, or how often we will see him after Glee. So I'm going to watch and enjoy. I'm not going to let crappy writing or Blarren keep me from enjoying the precious few minutes of Chris I get on my TV 22 times a year (if he is in every episode).
I will watch the rest of the NY stuff as well, because I also enjoy watching Lea, and to a lesser extent Naya.
And I'll probably continue to watch the McKinley crap only to review it for this forum (what I do for you peopleOr if it gets too be too much, I'll take bathroom breaks and wash the dinner dishes while they are on, or vacuum while Blarren is singing.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
AnneNeville 10/8/2013, 12:44 pm
Some people don't want to read about 5x3, so the spoiler bars are a courtesy for them. That's the only episode that gets them in the spoiler thread.bayth wrote:I know this is probably a dumb question, but why are posts put behind spoiler bars in the spoiler thread?
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
AnneNeville 10/8/2013, 12:45 pm
Agree with your last line (and with your point--Hollywood is a tough place). As long as Chris is content to be on Glee, I hope it continues for him.Jellyrolls wrote:And just to add to my post on the previous page, I know a lot of Chris fans want him to be free of Glee because they are wasting his talent, and while I agree that they are wasting his talent, I have no problem him staying on board for the paycheck. He's making decent money (if he's making in the $75,000 per episode range like Lea, that's $1,650,000), and that is going to allow him to be able to support himself between jobs, and also fund his other projects. He'd be crazy to give that up. You just don't turn down a steady paycheck in Hollywood because you don't know where your next one will come from or how long it will last. Though Chris seems to be well respected in Hollywood, I'm not so sure that he has the name recognition that he doesn't have to be worried about what his next opportunity is (and honestly, I think his next opportunity that is not self-generated is going to be the real tell about where his career will go).
I think a lot of the people who I hear saying they want Chris free from Glee really just want him off the show so they can be free of Glee.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
AnneNeville 10/8/2013, 12:47 pm
Let's be real, they were never going to be "respectful" about 5x3. Never. I'm working so hard not to say anything about my concerns and doubts about that episode, since I know that some people don't want any critiques about how it's being handled.valkeakuulas wrote:
I do believe working with him is a real nightmare. Having a small Stalin running the show, never knowing when he's going to throw you to the wolves. Even a "big" episode like the next one doesn't reign in his tongue. And we have all these spoilers and ads pushed about The Quarterback when nothing disrespectful was supposed to happen. Someone's scared about the ratings.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
AnneNeville 10/8/2013, 12:49 pm
OMG, you're probably right. Except it'll be Blaine doing "Blurred Lines."ColferInspired wrote:Another recycled storyline.
Remember the uproar with "Toxic", well they are doing a scene with the school board and towns people, parents in episode 5.
Let me guess they do twerking for a performance at assembly.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
AnneNeville 10/8/2013, 12:51 pm
After seeing the song list for the next episodes, I'm not so excited. Yes, I hope Kurt gets a good song. I'd love him to sing something like Piano Man, which always makes me cry, when he's closing up the diner.Lottie2303 wrote:Maybe there is also a duet in the episode. I girl can dream. Pretty pleasefantastica wrote:He is telling the truth but it's not a duet. Its a quartet. We already knew.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
AnneNeville 10/8/2013, 12:54 pm
Except instead of "condemning" rape culture, it glorifies it. It says that women don't mean "No" when they say no. That there are 'blurred lines' about consent, and that the singer "knows you want it" even if you say you don't.Lottie2303 wrote:^ It is basically a song condemning rape culture and objectifying woman. It has a disgusting video, a parody with swapped genders got banned on YT because of the objectification of males (no kidding), and got banned in several night clubs in the UK. It has started a big controversy and by Glee using it, they most surely make a very misogynistic statement. It is plain disgusting and stupid they use this song.
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Re: Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 17
Lottie2303 10/8/2013, 1:03 pm
AnneNeville wrote:Let's be real, they were never going to be "respectful" about 5x3. Never. I'm working so hard not to say anything about my concerns and doubts about that episode, since I know that some people don't want any critiques about how it's being handled.
Feel free to PM me. I am also holding back some thoughts that will not be welcomed.
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