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Post  ChrisColferFan1 on 12/29/2015, 6:21 pm

If this is true I hope he will be punish severely punish and not just get a slap on the wrist.

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Post  Kurt addict on 12/29/2015, 6:32 pm

ChrisColferFan1 wrote:If  this is true I hope  he will be punish severely punish and not just get a slap on the wrist.
its been on the bbc news coverage now so it looks serious

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Post  ChrisColferFan1 on 12/29/2015, 6:47 pm

Kurt addict wrote:
ChrisColferFan1 wrote:If  this is true I hope  he will be punish severely punish and not just get a slap on the wrist.
its been on the bbc news coverage now so it looks serious

It  does appear to be serious. coverage is on NBCNews.com

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Post  Glorfindel on 12/29/2015, 9:05 pm

Even the Dutch newssites are mentioning it (and they hardly ever talk about Glee: the last time was when Cory died, go figure), so at the very least there must be some very serious evidence against Mark.

I always suspected Mark was kinda a bad boy and rather loose when it came to sex, but I also sort of liked him: he could be quite charming (as far as we can 'know' a celebrity).
But child porn? That's completely disgusting, so if it's true I hope he gets severely punished for it.

And his career is over. Jeez, to throw it all away like that.

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Post  tanita_mors on 12/29/2015, 9:59 pm

i would assume in his case that it's probably pics of 16-17 yo girls, maybe fans or previous hookups (i shudder to think anything more serious), but come on man, that is asking for trouble and you have got it.

it's picked up traction so i doubt it's a misunderstanding or a mistake. it would have been denied by now. so he is in some deep shit and if the charge is correct, rightfully so.


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Post  Ranwing on 12/29/2015, 10:17 pm

This is a depressing day for the Glee fandom as a whole, because no matter who your favorite actor was and which ones you might dislike, this is not the kind of news that any of us welcome. Mark wasn't my favorite performer, but I enjoyed him and I'm very upset to hear that he is mixed up in this kind of stuff. I don't know all the particulars but this is the kind of thing that will end his career.

Mark has skirted with trouble before, but this is something that no one can just handwave away. Again, we don't know the details (particularly the nature of the porn that was found) so we'll just have to wait and see how this all plays out. Sadly, he's not the first famous person to get caught with something like this and sadly, he won't be the last.

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Post  mindschemez on 12/29/2015, 10:38 pm

I'm shocked by this news.

Mark and Puck have always been a favorite, so this is hard to reconcile.

Things will begin to unfold, and we will learn more, as what happened in the high profile case of Jared of Subway. And I'm interested in learning more, hearing more details and evidence, as this is tough to wrap my head around.

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Post  Glorfindel on 12/29/2015, 11:45 pm

tanita_mors wrote:i would assume in his case that it's probably pics of 16-17 yo girls, maybe fans or previous hookups (i shudder to think anything more serious), but come on man, that is asking for trouble and you have got it.
According to tmz.com the cops found more than a thousand(!) pictures of children "significantly younger than 15 and 16 year olds". So that means young kids who haven't even gone through puberty.
A follow-up tmz article said: "specifically porn involving minors 'engaging in or simulating sexual conduct'." That's horrible child abuse, not an 'innocent' snapshot of a naked kid in a bathtub.

So unfortunately it's not 'just' a case of Mark having some pictures on his computer of some young (underaged!) fans who he banged during his Glee days.
And tbh: even that would be gross... and still illegal.

If the charges stick and Mark really did this then he's a filthy scumbag.

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Post  Ranwing on 12/30/2015, 12:41 am

I feel really sorry for Mark's fans. This is so hard to swallow because while there was some indication that Mark had a dark side to him (with the sexual assault charge), there wasn't anything that hinted at anything like this.

Right now, these are allegations. I'm going to withhold final judgement until we get more information, but I have to admit that it's going to be as hard to watch him in Glee episodes as it is to watch Cory (though for vastly different reasons).

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Post  fantastica on 12/30/2015, 2:49 am

Oh my god I can't believe this what a shame!
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Re: General Glee Discussion Thread--Part 6

Post  tanita_mors on 12/30/2015, 6:18 am

Glorfindel wrote:
tanita_mors wrote:i would assume in his case that it's probably pics of 16-17 yo girls, maybe fans or previous hookups (i shudder to think anything more serious), but come on man, that is asking for trouble and you have got it.
According to tmz.com the cops found more than a thousand(!) pictures of children "significantly younger than 15 and 16 year olds". So that means young kids who haven't even gone through puberty.
A follow-up tmz article said: "specifically porn involving minors 'engaging in or simulating sexual conduct'." That's horrible child abuse, not an 'innocent' snapshot of a naked kid in a bathtub.

So unfortunately it's not 'just' a case of Mark having some pictures on his computer of some young (underaged!) fans who he banged during his Glee days.
And tbh: even that would be gross... and still illegal.

If the charges stick and Mark really did this then he's a filthy scumbag.
damn, that is just ..... i'm speechless. he wasn't a sunshine and roses kind of guy but i didn't expect that. if the allegations are true, justice needs to be served.

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Post  ColferInspired on 12/30/2015, 7:32 am

This is all so terrible, but this is kind of fitting even if it was in jest, but then maybe not. Though they would not have known about the child pornography as they would have put him into the police straight away if this all turns out to be true.

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Post  ChrisColferFan1 on 12/30/2015, 10:45 am

tanita_mors wrote:
Glorfindel wrote:
tanita_mors wrote:i would assume in his case that it's probably pics of 16-17 yo girls, maybe fans or previous hookups (i shudder to think anything more serious), but come on man, that is asking for trouble and you have got it.
According to tmz.com the cops found more than a thousand(!) pictures of children "significantly younger than 15 and 16 year olds". So that means young kids who haven't even gone through puberty.
A follow-up tmz article said: "specifically porn involving minors 'engaging in or simulating sexual conduct'." That's horrible child abuse, not an 'innocent' snapshot of a naked kid in a bathtub.

So unfortunately it's not 'just' a case of Mark having some pictures on his computer of some young (underaged!) fans who he banged during his Glee days.
And tbh: even that would be gross... and still illegal.

If the charges stick and Mark really did this then he's a filthy scumbag.
damn, that is just ..... i'm speechless. he wasn't a sunshine and roses kind of guy but i didn't expect that. if the allegations are true, justice needs to be served.

Agree 100%. If Mark really did this ,then he is a awful disgusting person. If true I am praying and hoping it is not,I hope justice is serve.

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Post  Buenos on 12/30/2015, 11:50 am

Child pornography that others could see.

I'm amazed how consistently stupid people are, though in this case if it got Mark busted so much the better. .

Of course it was a disgruntled ex girlfriend who got the ball rolling.

Can't get the phrase " significantly younger than 15 or 16 years old" out of my head.  How the hell younger were these poor children?  You're also not going to tell me the police aren't going to further the net of people searched, you don't get thousands of images without spending money and having a trail of evidence.

ETA:

OMG.

http://www.tmz.com/2015/12/30/mark-salling-child-porn-arrest-underage-girls/

Girls under 10, I just can't. Shocked

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Post  tanita_mors on 12/30/2015, 12:05 pm

and from what i understood, this wasn't a sudden thing. they got a tip from an ex-gf and the cops have been observing and investigating him for weeks or months even.

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Post  Kurt addict on 12/30/2015, 12:43 pm

Some of the comments I've just read on that tmz site are down right scary, you wonder were some people get thier education! One so called commentator was called for all glee cast and crew to be investigated especially the gays cause obviously they are the paedophiles,Thankfully someone had the sense to tell them that it's young girls not boys which at least removes the gay part out the window. But it still should not of been an issue paedophiles are a completely different group of people and should not be spoken of in the same breath as homosexuals. I'm breathing fire at the moment.
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Post  tanita_mors on 12/30/2015, 12:49 pm

i'm not surprised. in the past and frankly i've seen it in the present, homosexuality and pedophilia have often been connected to one another. i guess people like to forget that pedophiles can also be and often are heterosexual.

he is accused of possession of child pornography - equally vile, but not "exactly" the same thing as pedophilia.

either way, it doesn't look good and again if it's all true, i hope he gets the full extent of the law.

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Post  Glorfindel on 12/30/2015, 1:16 pm

This is truly disgusting, bah.
Of course sexual abuse and pornographic images of children from any age is already terrible disturbing and horrible, but kids under 10.....  how sick do you have to be to enjoy that and purposely attain those pics (and therefore feed the demand for it and encourage new child abuse).
It's sickening.

Ranwing wrote:I feel really sorry for Mark's fans. This is so hard to swallow because while there was some indication that Mark had a dark side to him (with the sexual assault charge), there wasn't anything that hinted at anything like this.
I agree. Noone could have guessed this, even when it was clear Mark had somewhat of a bad boy reputation. It happens very often that friends and family don't have a clue about what someone did when things like this come out. Let alone fans who only 'know' someone from a distance.

So I feel sorry for his fans too, at least for the ones (most of them, from what I've seen) who are not defending him blindly.
(With "defending him blindly" I don't mean those who are giving him he benefit of the doubt for now untill more proof surfaces.)


Right now, these are allegations. I'm going to withhold final judgement until we get more information, but I have to admit that it's going to be as hard to watch him in Glee episodes as it is to watch Cory (though for vastly different reasons).
Yes, in a way this is just as hard to process as Cory's passing was. I won't say "maybe even more so" because nothing really compares to losing someone to death, but this must be hell for Mark's fans, because at least Cory's fans can still think of him fondly and their love for him never stopped after he died.
This time however Mark/Puck's fans face a very hard reality that will force them to see their fave in a different, very negative light, and it will be almost impossible to seperate the deeds of the actor from his character on Glee when rewatching the show.

With Mark all respect and love from most of his fans, and the rest of the Glee fandom, will be gone (if the allegations are indeed true), and it will disgust people to still look at Puck in Glee, instead of the bittersweet feeling of loss that is usually there (at least for me) when watching Finn.


I also wonder if this will have consequences for Glee: if they for instance will stop airing re-runs.
Surely this must have its effect on the popularity/demand for the show (whatever's left of it, lol), although Puck fortunately mostly was a minor character on the show, not one of its leads (like the Cosby show).

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Post  tanita_mors on 12/30/2015, 1:26 pm

knowing how publicity works, i would think that glee would be in the spotlight again. nothing like some negative publicity to reignite interest.

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Post  Glorfindel on 12/30/2015, 1:36 pm

Kurt addict wrote:Some of the comments I've just read on that tmz site are down right scary, you wonder were some people get thier education! One so called commentator was called for all glee cast and crew to be investigated especially the gays cause obviously they are the paedophiles,Thankfully someone had the sense to tell them that it's young girls not boys which at least removes the gay part out the window. But it still should not of been an issue paedophiles are a completely different group of people and should not be spoken of in the same breath as homosexuals. I'm breathing fire at the moment.
When is the world going to learn there are times when I can't believe we are living in the 21st century Hope I'm making sense I'm just blowing off steam here
Unfortunately there are still a lot of uneducated people in the world.
To them homosexuality is an unnatural monstrosity, and their bigoted minds are so twisted that they're very eager to connect vile things like pedophilia to being gay to 'prove' their point. I also saw someone declaring homosexuality equal to beastiality (after calling all gays pedophiles of course). :angry:

I've also seen someone commenting on Mark's situation by wondering what is on Chris' computer then. Really?
A heterosexual man gets accused of doing something utterly disgusting and the first thing some people do is suspect the gay people around him of possible even worse things, and/or condemn them and their influence for it happening in the first place.

It's extremely hurtful and harmful. This all clearly shows that there's still a lot of hatred and bigotry out there, and equality and acceptance still has a long, long way to go.

I truly hope Chris doesn't get to see any of those homophobic comments, let alone send to him directly on his social media.

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Post  Glorfindel on 12/30/2015, 1:44 pm

tanita_mors wrote:knowing how publicity works, i would think that glee would be in the spotlight again. nothing like some negative publicity to reignite interest.
There is renewed interest, yes, definitely. But would a network be happy with that negative interest, especially in conservative America (and other countries like Australia)?
And would they want to continu airing a show with now not only one, but two controversial actors in it?
(Controversial as in that the way Cory died was controversial, not he himself, although there are also alas many people who think he was nothing but a drug addict.)

Since my guess is that Glee's reruns are scoring even worse in ratings than when the show ended, it's entirely possible that networks won't even bother anymore after this scandal.

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Post  angelnessa on 12/30/2015, 2:42 pm

Glorfindel wrote:
Kurt addict wrote:Some of the comments I've just read on that tmz site are down right scary, you wonder were some people get thier education! One so called commentator was called for all glee cast and crew to be investigated especially the gays cause obviously they are the paedophiles,Thankfully someone had the sense to tell them that it's young girls not boys which at least removes the gay part out the window. But it still should not of been an issue paedophiles are a completely different group of people and should not be spoken of in the same breath as homosexuals. I'm breathing fire at the moment.
When is the world going to learn there are times when I can't believe we are living in the 21st century Hope I'm making sense I'm just blowing off steam here
Unfortunately there are still a lot of uneducated people in the world.
To them homosexuality is an unnatural monstrosity, and their bigoted minds are so twisted that they're very eager to connect vile things like pedophilia to being gay to 'prove' their point. I also saw someone declaring homosexuality equal to beastiality (after calling all gays pedophiles of course). :angry:

I've also seen someone commenting on Mark's situation by wondering what is on Chris' computer then. Really?
A heterosexual man gets accused of doing something utterly disgusting and the first thing some people do is suspect the gay people around him of possible even worse things, and/or condemn them and their influence for it happening in the first place.

It's extremely hurtful and harmful. This all clearly shows that there's still a lot of hatred and bigotry out there, and equality and acceptance still has a long, long way to go.

I truly hope Chris doesn't get to see any of those homophobic comments, let alone send to him directly on his social media.

When I told my mother-in-law (who lived with us) that we suspected our oldest son was gay, her first words were "Do you know who "got" to him?", meaning she believed he must have been molested by a man, and that is what "turned" him gay. I had to be really patient with her, because it was partly a generational thing, and eventually she came around and understood he hadn't been molested and "turned" gay. I had the same kind of arguments with people when the Boy Scouts of America were debating whether to let openly gay scouts and leaders in, pointing out to them that the ceiling-high stack of sexual molestation charges the BSA has were all perpetrated by men who identified as straight. It's sad to see the same ignorance still being perpetuated.

This looks really bad for Mark, but I don't feel a bit sorry for him if it's true, and there seems to be a lot of smoke there. Anyone who hurts or exploits children belong in the hottest parts of hell as far as I'm concerned.
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Post  ColferInspired on 12/30/2015, 11:15 pm

Puck means nothing to me so it won't stop me watching my Glee DVD's.

And why bring Chris into this?

I am guessing all anyone would find on his laptop is cat video's and cat pics, pics of his friends and family. His new books he is writing and some intimate pics of him and Will, and him with his animals. Smile

They just don't like it that he is gay and a successful children's writer and want to try and wreck that for him and possibly his sales. :angry:
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Post  brisallie on 12/31/2015, 12:12 am

ohmy If werent for you guys, I wouldn't have known Mark was involved in this shameful situation, if turns out to be true, I would be very dissapointed, because I do like Mark, and through the seasons I started to be fond of Puck. So, I feel so sad and upset about this.

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Post  Buenos on 12/31/2015, 12:17 am

Glee was already beyond dead,so the Mark Salling revelations won't change that the show was gone off the media spotlight.

The other actors have all moved on and quite frankly I doubt this scandal is going to impact any of them.

I'm sure that those Glee cast/crew who didn't know about his sordid personal life ( as of now I'd assume all of them) are as shocked as the rest of the public and worse because I suspect some of them are actually friends of his.
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