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Post  fantastica 9/25/2013, 1:12 am

brisallie wrote:Thanks Marie.

And i hope those non-cheating contracts have a clause that is says you'll die if you cheat on your bf or gf. I simply want the best for Kurt.Twisted Evil Razz 
i believe these contracts say that if the person cheats again he will get his manhood cut off so he can never fuck others again (pun intended).
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Post  Georgette888 9/25/2013, 2:00 am

Buenos wrote:The problem overall with the whole Klaine is that Darren has such such horrible delivery on some of his lines, it sounds so amateurishly  bad.   His line readings make Blaine sound so petty, whiny and shallow, and I'm not sure that is necessarily written in the writers characterization of Blaine in the script, but just reflects the weakness of his acting.

The "I will never ever ever cheat" sounds so forced and phony.

It's jarring at times the acting contrast between Chris and Darren.  

Like in the post coital scene in "I, Do" where Blaine is smugly  babbling  how they were meant to be together and Kurt gives a sexy line reading and then  gives a smoldering look as if to say "We just had a great fuck, don't ruin the moment."
A thousand times yes to this post.
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Post  sheny 9/25/2013, 2:39 am

spoilers for 5.01
—There is a minor subplot with Tina being more bitter/lonely than usual. Blaine gets the guys together to sing I Saw Her Standing There to cheer her up and at the end they say she can pick one of them as her prom date. It’s also mentioned that Mike dumped her because she is  [RETRACTION] “NOT ENOUGH Asian”.
—Sue gets her job as principal by planting a ton of fetish porn on Figgins, getting him fired. She tells Will that if he does not win Nationals, she’ll fire him.
—Tina confronts Artie about his secret relationship with Kitty and outs them to the choir room. By the end of it, Kitty and Artie decide to “go public”.
—Blaine proposes on the stairs. Smile
Is it possible Tina to be more bitter than usual? That bitch it's not her damn business to out Kitty and Artie's relationship.
I'm disappointed in Mike. How can he break up with his gf for something so stupid?

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Post  Lottie2303 9/25/2013, 2:51 am

About Tina and Mike: how about breaking up because one fell out of love? Why the heck do they always need so ridiculous explanations why relationships end Rolling Eyes
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Post  Ireth 9/25/2013, 2:57 am

What the hell does not enough Asian even mean? And even if we consider it to be a valid reason (seriously, what kind of a reason is that?), why did it take Mike 2 years to realize that? They said Mike and Tina would talk thing out in Season 4, but then completely ignored that subplot. Why can't they keep ignoring that subplot then, instead of turning it into a ridiculously unfunny joke?

And how many times will they turn Tina into a bitch, and then "teach her a lesson"? I used to love her, and this is just so sickening. vomir 

So Blaine does propose...I still hope Kurt says no.

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Post  coxfire 9/25/2013, 4:00 am

Awful lines delivery from Darren. Bleh.
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Post  Lottie2303 9/25/2013, 4:40 am

Okay, probably long post ahead with some unpopular opinion. Also one tiny explanation about myself: I am not a romantic person. At all. I am too realistic and rationale to ever be. When it comes to television, I can stop shipping in seconds once I realize that the characters are either a) unhealthy, b) co-depended, or c) restricted from real character development in order to keep the couple intact. Many television couples annoy the heck out of me for contrived drama or forced reconciliation without any reason. I like watching couples who break up and actually mange to continue living, dating and being happy. I don’t like the idea that one person is responsible for your entire happiness and well-being. When it comes to reality: education first. Your self-respect and self-worth is always priority. Your dreams and aims should always be followed no matter if you are in a relationship. Of course not all relationships are bad. Many manage to overcome intense obstacles, all respect to those couples. And having said, I am not against relationship at all. When two people get together because they really fit well, are willing to work on their relationship and it is all equal in terms of sacrifices/support to realize dreams/opportunities/aims/etc., all the power to them! I probably also envy you, because, yes I can also admit to feel a certain amount of jealousy. But foremost, I really am happy for you. But overall, I guess we can all agree Klaine doesn’t fit in that context.

You all know I love Kurt. I love his independence, confidence, fight, selflessness, vanity, snark, obsession with stupid things, his realisticview of the world. For 4 seasons we were shown a character that doesn’t fit into the S5 storyline. No way would S1,2 or even 3 Kurt agree to marry. No way would he take back his cheating boyfriend after living in NYC and probably having endless options for dates. But in worst case he accepts the proposal and gets back together with Blaine, that is happening and canon. On his own will. Based on his decision. Kurt’s decision!

I hate the writers sometimes so much and I firmly believe they have no idea how to write interesting, healthy relationships. But no matter how much we bicker: the script is canon. Essentially the Kurt we all know and admire is gone. He goes back to the relationship. He most likely will do it happily.
And that is the crime they commit. The worst insult. The writers changed Kurt’s character, his motivations, his ambition, his view to fit him to Blaine. The Kurt I love will no longer exist as it will show me he actually settles for mediocrity, uncertainty and pain because it is simple. I cannot respect that character. I just can’t. I don’t know if I want to follow that character anymore. I rather hold on to the previous seasons.
So the point from my long post: in case the proposal is accepted, the writers killed Kurt for me and I don’t know if I want to follow him anymore. I love Chris Colfer, but my support always has limits. Tumblr will inform me about great scenes. I guess RIB really reached their aim: belittle and disrespect Kurt, until it is all about Blaine and no one complains. Ryan really must hate Chris nowadays. It is all just very sad.
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Post  ColferInspired 9/25/2013, 5:26 am

Lottie2303 wrote:Okay, probably long post ahead with some unpopular opinion. Also one tiny explanation about myself: I am not a romantic person. At all. I am too realistic and rationale to ever be. When it comes to television, I can stop shipping in seconds once I realize that the characters are either a) unhealthy, b) co-depended, or c) restricted from real character development in order to keep the couple intact. Many television couples annoy the heck out of me for contrived drama or forced reconciliation without any reason. I like watching couples who break up and actually mange to continue living, dating and being happy. I don’t like the idea that one person is responsible for your entire happiness and well-being. When it comes to reality: education first. Your self-respect and self-worth is always priority. Your dreams and aims should always be followed no matter if you are in a relationship. Of course not all relationships are bad. Many manage to overcome intense obstacles, all respect to those couples.  And having said, I am not against relationship at all. When two people get together because they really fit well, are willing to work on their relationship and it is all equal in terms of sacrifices/support to realize dreams/opportunities/aims/etc., all the power to them! I probably also envy you, because, yes I can also admit to feel a certain amount of jealousy. But foremost, I really am happy for you.  But overall, I guess we can all agree Klaine doesn’t fit in that context.

You all know I love Kurt. I love his independence, confidence, fight, selflessness, vanity, snark, obsession with stupid things, his realisticview  of the world. For 4 seasons we were shown a character that doesn’t fit into the S5 storyline. No way would S1,2 or even 3 Kurt agree to marry. No way would he take back his cheating boyfriend after living in NYC and probably having endless options for dates. But in worst case he accepts the proposal and gets back together with Blaine, that is happening and canon. On his own will. Based on his decision.  Kurt’s decision!

I hate the writers sometimes so much and I firmly believe they have no idea how to write interesting, healthy relationships. But no matter how much we bicker: the script is canon. Essentially the Kurt we all know and admire is gone. He goes back to the relationship.   He most likely will do it happily.
And that is the crime they commit. The worst insult. The writers changed Kurt’s character, his motivations, his ambition, his view to fit him to Blaine. The Kurt I love will no longer exist as it will show me he actually settles for mediocrity, uncertainty and pain because it is simple. I cannot respect that character. I just can’t. I don’t know if I want to follow that character anymore. I rather hold on to the previous seasons.
So the point from my long post: in case the proposal is accepted, the writers killed Kurt for me and I don’t know if I want to follow him anymore. I love Chris Colfer, but my support always has limits. Tumblr will inform me about great scenes. I guess RIB really reached their aim: belittle and disrespect Kurt, until it is all about Blaine and no one complains. Ryan really must hate Chris nowadays. It is all just very sad.
Chris has had success early, where Ryan had his in his thirties from interviews I have read in the past.

Glee was the platform and still is, and Chris has achieved success outside of Glee as he has the talent to do other things than play a popular character on a television.

Though SBL didn't go to the box office as it didn't have a massive release theatre wise, it still became a success. Chris did this himself with no help from anyone from Fox.

No-one knows how Chris's career will go after Glee.

Some of us think he will struggle, while others think he will continue to thrive to have more successes. I am one of the ones to wait and see as I am comfortable with that. neutre 

Ryan has always had this habit of destroying his own shows once he gets bored.

I don't think he hates Chris. I just think he has stopped caring about the show.
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Post  Lottie2303 9/25/2013, 5:43 am

I am sorry, but there is no denying that Kurt and Quinn received an horrendous treatment in S3. Ironically those two actors distanced themselves immensely from Glee. Chris is only doing the necessary promotion. Mark got kicked off the show for several episodes because found a loophole and released his own album in S2. Even Jane admitted you know which actor is getting punished by reading the script. That is just immature and unprofessional. Simultaneously Lea and Darren tend to kiss his ass and their characters always receive the best treatment. Not just screentime, but their characters succeed! I am not exaggerating by inventing this - it is the plain truth and everyone can only guess the motivation.

Yes, Glee opened many many doors for Chris and I am certain he will cherish and respect that. But one doesn't have to like the current development without acknowledging the past benefits. Honestly, with the current quality of Glee, I tend to believe this could be more damaging to Chris right now for future projects. I know he is smart and probably plans ahead, but his SL from S4 and now 5 will in no shape or form really benefit Chris in any way, excpet for having a pay check.
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Post  ColferInspired 9/25/2013, 5:56 am

Lottie2303 wrote:I am sorry, but there is no denying that Kurt and Quinn received an horrendous treatment in S3. Ironically those two actors distanced themselves immensely from Glee. Chris is only doing the necessary promotion. Mark got kicked off the show for several episodes because found a loophole and released his own album in S2. Even Jane admitted you know which actor is getting punished by reading the script. That is just immature and unprofessional. Simultaneously Lea and Darren tend to kiss his ass and their characters always receive the best treatment. Not just screentime, but their characters succeed! I am not exaggerating by inventing this - it is the plain truth and everyone can only guess the motivation.

Yes, Glee opened many many doors for Chris and I am certain he will cherish and respect that. But one doesn't have to like the current development without acknowledging the past benefits. Honestly, with the current quality of Glee, I tend to believe this could be more damaging to Chris right now for future projects. I know he is smart and probably plans ahead, but his SL from S4 and now 5 will in no shape or form really benefit Chris in any way, excpet for having a pay check.
I agree with everything you say as I have argued this in the past with others elsewhere.

Every knows Ryan has a massive ego.

With Chris's writing Glee can't affect that. There are lots of TLOS fans that have not watched Glee and do not know of Kurt Hummel.

But with him still cast as a regular this can have some effect on his projects, or any guest appearances on other shows. He has to choose his time wisely and conveniently, which frustrates me, but a steady pay check can help fund these projects.

I don't care about Glee anymore, I just want Chris on my screen.
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Post  Lottie2303 9/25/2013, 6:07 am

^ Yeah. I am mad because they really managed to destroy Kurt in case he accepts. There is no denying for me anymore, the character I love and support and cherish won't exist anymore. I feel for Chris, as I believe he is so not into Klaine, but at least he gets the paycheck. But I have to accept the script and the development and the writing, so in the process I just have to realize that Kurt is not a character anymore I agree with and who has a very screwed perspective of love. Klaine will never, ever be represented as something bad or negative for Kurt. Never. It hurts, but there is no other way of putting it.

ETA: agreed about Chris other project choices. He is intelligent and career savvy. There was a confession on tumbrl recently that Ryan is mad at Chris/Dianna for being successful without needing Glee. I actually believe that merits in the truth.
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Post  ColferInspired 9/25/2013, 6:25 am

Lottie2303 wrote:^ Yeah. I am mad because they really managed to destroy Kurt in case he accepts. There is no denying for me anymore, the character I love and support and cherish won't exist anymore. I feel for Chris, as I believe he is so not into Klaine, but at least he gets the paycheck. But I have to accept the script and the development and the writing, so in the process I just have to realize that Kurt is not a character anymore I agree with and who has a very screwed perspective of love. Klaine will never, ever be represented as something bad or negative for Kurt. Never. It hurts, but there is no other way of putting it.

ETA: agreed about Chris other project choices. He is intelligent and career savvy. There was a confession on tumbrl recently that Ryan is mad at Chris/Dianna for being successful without needing Glee. I actually believe that merits in  the truth.
I believe it as well.
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Post  sheny 9/25/2013, 6:41 am

There must be some other reason for RM's behaviour besides being jealous for Dianna and Chris' success. Jane, Naya and Darren also have projects of their own but I don't see Ryan making their characters' lives miserable like Quinn and Kurt's.

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Post  Lottie2303 9/25/2013, 6:47 am

sheny wrote:There must be some other reason for RM's behaviour besides being jealous for Dianna and Chris' success. Jane, Naya and Darren also have projects of their own but I don't see Ryan making their characters' lives miserable like Quinn and Kurt's.
Jane is too powerful for Ryan.

Naya and Darren have projects, but so far they are not successful yet.

Overall, Dianna and Chris didn't play the game by becoming Ryan's little pets who love everything about Glee/their character/the developments and dared to talk back. A bruised ego seems to be the worst you can inflict on Ryan.
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Post  Glorfindel 9/25/2013, 7:17 am

^Agreed. I think there's a feeling of Chris and Dianna slipping away from Ryan when he was the one that discovered them, and probably they are not thanking and acknowledging him enough for it (anymore).

Buenos wrote:The problem overall with the whole Klaine is that Darren has such such horrible delivery on some of his lines, it sounds so amateurishly  bad.   His line readings make Blaine sound so petty, whiny and shallow, and I'm not sure that is necessarily written in the writers characterization of Blaine in the script, but just reflects the weakness of his acting.

The "I will never ever ever cheat" sounds so forced and phony.
This. Darren makes Blaine sound like a little kid who, if he's caught in the act, promises never to steal cookies from the cookie jar anymore. His acting makes the characterisation of Blaine worse.
That's not a young man taking responsibility and having a clear vision on his future. That's a needy little kid not getting his way for the first time in his life and he can't accept it, so he keeps whining till he gets it anyway. Evil or Very Mad 


It's jarring at times the acting contrast between Chris and Darren.  
Yes, and maybe it's one of the main reasons why Klaine never, ever really talk together.
Of course there is the gay factor too, but they had Brittana have several deep conversations even when it was mostly Naya carrying those scenes while Heather cried ('cause Heather is a good crier). Darren can't even do that, nor can he just do reaction shots in a decent way when Kurt does the talking. Puppy heart eyes won't cut it in a serious conversation scene.


sheny wrote:
spoilers for 5.01
—There is a minor subplot with Tina being more bitter/lonely than usual. Blaine gets the guys together to sing I Saw Her Standing There to cheer her up and at the end they say she can pick one of them as her prom date. It’s also mentioned that Mike dumped her because she is  [RETRACTION] “NOT ENOUGH Asian”.
—Sue gets her job as principal by planting a ton of fetish porn on Figgins, getting him fired. She tells Will that if he does not win Nationals, she’ll fire him.
—Tina confronts Artie about his secret relationship with Kitty and outs them to the choir room. By the end of it, Kitty and Artie decide to “go public”.
—Blaine proposes on the stairs. Smile
Is it possible Tina to be more bitter than usual? That bitch it's not her damn business to out Kitty and Artie's relationship.
I'm disappointed in Mike. How can he break up with his gf for something so stupid?
Leave it to Glee to ruin one of the last standing good characters, even off screen.


Outing Artie and Kitty, really Tina? All that's left of Tina is being a bitch of course, because all girls on Glee are bitches, with no exception. Jeez. :angry:
If any actor's image suffers from the bad writing in her after Glee career it must be Jenna (as Dianna escaped Glee on time). Oh and Darren probably, because of Blaine's overexposure and terrible character.



Lottie2303 wrote:^ Yeah. I am mad because they really managed to destroy Kurt in case he accepts. There is no denying for me anymore, the character I love and support and cherish won't exist anymore. I feel for Chris, as I believe he is so not into Klaine, but at least he gets the paycheck. But I have to accept the script and the development and the writing, so in the process I just have to realize that Kurt is not a character anymore I agree with and who has a very screwed perspective of love. Klaine will never, ever be represented as something bad or negative for Kurt. Never. It hurts, but there is no other way of putting it.
For me the way of dealing with this is making my own headcanon that Kurt was severely damaged in his youth. He's got abandonment issues because his mother died so young and his father almost died (twice!). Plus there's the bullying, neglect and rejection from his peers and even teachers, mostly because of him being an 'undesirable' effeminate gay boy.
That's why he was so surprised that Blaine wanted to be with him initially, and that's why he put up with so much from Blaine when they were dating. And then the 'love of his life' who he planned a future with cheated on him after being away for 2 weeks, because Kurt was finally out of Lima and starting to be succesful.
(And don't tell me that being away from the town that held Kurt back and in check, plus getting his own successes, didn't influence Blaine to do what he did to Kurt because he couldn't be superior to him and control him anymore.)

New York gave Kurt back his confidence, and as long as he was there, at Vogue and with Adam at NYADA, that confidence stayed. But Blaine is his Achilles heel, and when Kurt's in toxic Lima again, among those people that always held him back, he gets suck back into that old feeling of being less worthy, and Blaine represents for him that first escape from feeling undesirable.
That's quite a deep rooted emotion that Blaine revokes in Kurt, even though he cheated on Kurt later (which makes that betrayal even more painful and mean). Kurt's vulnerable in Lima, especially this time, because he just almost lost his dad again (and will lose his stepbrother soon too, ugh), and Blaine used to be what made him happy when he was at a very low point (when he had to flee McKinley).

We all know that abused women go back to their spouses several times before they won't take it anymore. So in that respect I can still love Kurt: he's not ruined to me for being weak this time, after being so strong for 4 seasons. He's allowed to make mistakes, and I won't reject him for not being able to get away from Blaine yet.
He'll learn eventually though. No way the Kurt who managed to struggle and survive high school the way he did will settle infinitely with someone like Blaine. It will take him some time, and you also have to consider that being strong and not taking clear shit from other high school kids and teachers is not the same as not taking shit and even recognising it (because it's usually gradually and subtle) from the person you love (and trust) the most.


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Post  Lottie2303 9/25/2013, 7:27 am

^ But that is the problem: Glee will never, ever present Klaine and Blaine in a negative light! No matter the headcannon, this relationship will be presented as something desirable and positive. So yes, I have to question Kurt's opinion of love and that he read too much Twilight.

Glee will never dare to tell us the obvious: Klaine is abusive and not positive for Kurt. The show will end with Kurt being married and having children with Blaine. He will be shown happy. I cannot get behind this Kurt. This is not the Kurt I fell in love with. This is not Kurt from the previous seasons and RIB don't care at all. This is pure character assassination and I can only go so far to to accept/apologize for my favorite character. There always comes the point where I just have to accept I am not seeing the character anymore, that once was so strong, independent, confident and secure to get the best out of his life eventually :( 
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Post  Glorfindel 9/25/2013, 7:40 am

Lottie2303 wrote:^ But that is the problem: Glee will never, ever present Klaine and Blaine in a negative light! No matter the headcannon, this relationship will be presented as something desirable and positive. So yes, I have to question Kurt's opinion of love and that he read too much Twilight.

Glee will never dare to tell us the obvious: Klaine is abusive and not positive for Kurt. The show will end with Kurt being married and having children with Blaine. He will be shown happy.
I cannot get behind this Kurt. This is not the Kurt I fell in love with. This is not Kurt from the previous seasons and RIB don't care at all. This is pure character assassination and I can only go so far to to accept/apologize for my favorite character. There always comes the point where I just have to accept I am not seeing the character anymore, that once was so strong, independent, confident and secure to get the best out of his life eventually :( 
But my headcanon doesn't stop at Glee.
In 2 years Glee will (hopefully) be over. Klaine will probably be married, but will have no kids yet because of their careers (hey: Blaine and probably Kurt too will still be in college then Shocked ).

So unless Glee shows us a ff to the future and gives us a scene of Klaine surrounded by their grandchildren at their 50th wedding anniversary, my headcanon goes that they will be divorced again before Kurt is 25 (maybe even 23).
Kurt will be emotionally more scarred than he is now, but he'll survive as always, pick up his career and become succesful in his own right. And then he'll meet Adam again during his tour in England and they'll get married. They'll have a fancy apartment in New York plus a little cottage near Bath (England), and have adorable half-British ginger headed children. Smile
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Post  Glorfindel 9/25/2013, 7:44 am

Wow, I just realized:
They are still filming 5.03 and that episode airs in 2 weeks from tomorrow. Shocked
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Post  Lottie2303 9/25/2013, 8:06 am

^ I envy you, for me any character is only salvage until a certain point. Kurt reached a point in Glee, I really cannot support anymore. Overall, it is sad that Kurt only matters anyway when it comes to his love life. S5 is a very sad caricature what they once made fun of.


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Post  Glorfindel 9/25/2013, 8:28 am

^Oh, I'm just as frustrated and disgusted, but I want to keep watching Chris in all his acting jobs, and in order to do so with the rest of the crap Glee has become, I have to keep loving Kurt (and I guess I'll always love Kurt anyway), so headcanon it is.

Maybe it helps that before I met my husband I also was in a not so good relationship (not abusive per se, but not good for my selfesteem either) and in hindsight I'm almost embarrassed when I think of how long I stayed with that person.
Bottom line: I wasn't as worldwise and self-asserted in my adolescense as I am now (who is?), and therefore I made many a bad judgement (sometimes having influence over several months or years), like most of us do.
Kurt is still a very young man: therefore he's allowed to make his own mistakes, misjudgements and miscalculations for a little while longer.  He'll get wiser with time.

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A little variation on those last spoilers:

"Love, Love, Love" spoilers.



[*]- Sue gets her job as Principal by planting fetish porn on Figgins. She tells Schuester that if he does not win Nationals, she will fire him.


[*]- Tina confronts Artie about his secret relationship with Kitty and outs them to the choir room. By the end of it, Kitty and Artie decide to “go public." Kitty mentions that she and Artie are "doomed" because he's graduating soon.


[*]- Blaine proposes to Kurt on the stairs at Dalton. He gives some sort of proposal speech that I'm sure is very well-acted. Kurt does give his answer.


[*]- There is a minor subplot with Tina being more bitter and lonely than usual. Blaine gets the guys together to sing "I Saw Her Standing There" to cheer her up. At the end they say she can pick one of them as her prom date. Out of Ryder, Blaine, and Sam she picks Sam because he is "the least gay or Asian." It’s also mentioned that Mike dumped her because she's "not Asian enough."
[*]ONTD_Glee

A few comments:

- Sue planting porn to get Figgins fired. Didn't she already do something similar back in season 1 (or 2)? And Will getting fired or losing Glee club is a (multiple) repeat as well.
Yawn. Sleep

- I wonder if ND loses Nationals and Will gets fired, so Matt will be off the show?

- This is the first time I think that we know that Kurt will give an answer to Blaine's proposal. I still have many doubts about that, but 1-2 days and we'll know everything. Finally, because I'm getting really fed up with this stupidity.

- "Kitty mentions that she and Artie are "doomed" because he's graduating soon."
Wow, and they only figured this out now? Rolling Eyes 
Haven't we seen this before too? Lather, rinse, repeat. Kurt Hummel Spoiler Thread - part 16 - Page 36 Ab-doingmynails

- "[Tina] picks Sam because he is "the least gay or Asian."
Wow, so on top of the Asian jokes again we get an Arish race joke as well. Stay classy, Glee. dryy
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Post  Lottie2303 9/25/2013, 8:40 am

^ If I knew this would be a SL about young people making stupid decisions, that relationship can turn sour and that interests change, I'd love this entire storyline! I believe it would be great for youngsters to see love doesn't conquer all and sometimes even the best (haha) relationships can end. Or fairytale looking relationships can actually be abusive and destroy ones self-esteem. With Kurt's past, I can even see him being a victim easily. But that is what frustrates me, it isn't represented that way. We are supposed to see it as healthy and happy and desirable. We are supposed to believe Kurt is happy and great, while I can only follow a foolish young men who takes romance to serious and misunderstands the concept and reality for real, mature relationships.


I am really curious about the overall reaction for the proposal and the reunion. I am really, really curious about the reaction from the GA.
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Post  Glorfindel 9/25/2013, 8:56 am

^It's Glee, so therefore we'll never get a decent storyline out of this.
The last decent storyline they had was Kurt coming out to his dad (in 1.04!) and even that they managed to botch and damage at the end of that same season and the beginning of season 2, let alone at what Burt has become now.

Yeah sure, it pisses me off how bad the messages are that Glee sends to their young viewers, and I rage about it enough. But I just won't accept the vision that RIB have of Klaine (and many other things on Glee), and as long as the actual canon gives me enough leeway to make my own conclusions (although RIB are very insistent in telling Glee viewers what they are supposed to feel, but failing miserably) I can still stomach watching Chris earn his weekly paycheck so he can afford that new house of his. fanny2 

I'm also curious as to what the reaction of the fandom (besides the Klainers), the reviewers (who are not in Glee's pockets) and the GA will be.

BTW: on tumblr I think I also saw resentment from several Klainers about the proposal lately. But I don't want to go to the Klaine tag (I prefer not to break out in rash) to check it out.
Does anyone know? And if so, is it mostly because they (the Klainers who protest) are pissed that Blaine is groveling for Kurt, or are they genuinely appalled by the engagement? saispa
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Post  Lottie2303 9/25/2013, 9:04 am

Burt really is the biggest and hardest price to pay for RIB to make Klaine work again. :angry: 

To be fair, I'd hate Klaine also as a Blaine fan. Even though Blaine has a very, very strange way of showing it, his entire existence is about Kurt. Klaine is unhealthy for both characters. I hate the fact how focused all of Kurt's SL are nowadays about Blaine, but at least we have two glorious seasons with great SL's, acting moments, nominations and a Golden Globe for Chris. Blaine fans have more individual SL during S4, but they were really bad and the growing resentment towards Darren, would really hurt me as a fan.

Also I want to know the viewer numbers from the entire episode and when many started to switch off. I predict it will be during one of those Blaine numbers in the middle of the episode.
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Post  Ranwing 9/25/2013, 9:31 am

Here's my take on all this (and please keep in mind that my clear preference would be for Kurt to laugh in Blaine's face at the very thought of getting back together again, let alone married) - Kurt never fell out of love with Blaine. Their relationship didn't collapse because their feelings for one another changed. It fell apart because of Blaine's insecurities and weaknesses and infidelity. Kurt has taken his time, healed emotionally enough that he's no longer emotionally bleeding, and has moved on in his life outside of Blaine and had some real successes. Now we're months down the road and Kurt is ready to give Blaine a second chance, at least as far as renewing their relationship as a couple.

Do I like it? Obviously not, because I don't think that Blaine deserves this chance. I don't think that he's done anything to warrent this show of trust on Kurt's part, and given what we've seen of his behavior when Kurt's not around, I don't trust him not to cheat again. Unless Blaine has been doing a bit of confessing off screen and telling Kurt about why he cheated at all (not that there is an excuse) and how he got wrapped up in Sam, Kurt is going into this without all the facts. This is why I don't hold it against Kurt for taking the Grease Stain back. We might know about Blaine's heartfelt serenade to Sam (that was easily as passionate as anything he'd done for Kurt), but Kurt (as far as I know) doesn't. Kurt never wanted to end things with Blaine so it makes sense for him to, at least for now, want to try to fix things between them.

Do I think it will work? Not in the long run. The circumstances that lead to Blaine's cheating are still there. Kurt is still in NY and will need to focus a significant amount of his time on his school and work there. Blaine is still in Lima and while he plans to attend NYADA, there's no guarantee that he'll get admitted. They may be stuck doing the long distance relationship for a significant amount of time and Blaine thus far has a poor track record of showing that he can stick things out through the rough times. Blaine has problem that he has a problem with not only physical fidelity, but emotional fidelity as well when Kurt isn’t around. I also think that while Blaine may love Kurt (as much as he is capable of loving someone), he’s just not going to be able to go the distance.

And I’m furious about Adam, who deserved far more of a chance with Kurt, being swept aside. Kurt had found someone who was supportive and caring and thought the world of him and he’s giving that up to go back to the Grease Stain. This more than anything else makes me unhappy. The only way that they can write this to make any sense to me is that Adam had to return to England and since their relationship was still in the early stages, he and Kurt decided to mutually call it quits.

I have yet to see a Glee relationship that didn’t suffer from really awful writing. Kurt, sadly, isn’t immune from that and I’m more than happy to blame the idiot writers for not doing anything to make a Klaine reunion have any kind of sense or grounding in the previous events. Kurt taking back Blaine was never really in question (any more than Rachel taking back Finn had Cory not died). It is how it’s being handled that makes it really hard to swallow. But I don’t hold Kurt responsible for that.
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Post  sheny 9/25/2013, 9:49 am

Glorfindel wrote:
 There is a minor subplot with Tina being more bitter and lonely than usual. Blaine gets the guys together to sing "I Saw Her Standing There" to cheer her up. At the end they say she can pick one of them as her prom date. Out of Ryder, Blaine, and Sam she picks Sam because he is "the least gay or Asian." It’s also mentioned that Mike dumped her because she's "not Asian enough."
dryy Why didn't she pick Ryder? Is he too gay or too Asian for her? Just when I think they can't make me dislike her more.

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