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Post  ColferInspired on 6/10/2013, 12:01 am

MoviesAreLife wrote:^ Well, that's good. Sometimes, I just get so cynical and angry about the CrissColfer's. It's good to know that Chris' true fans outnumber them, no matter how loud they are.

I remember one during the book tour was going to give Chris a letter to give to Darren.

Boy, did she get slammed by fans on tumblr.

She ended up not doing it, and said such lovely things about Chris on her blog when she met him and got her book signed.
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Post  Lottie2303 on 6/10/2013, 8:00 am

On one hand, I love the idea of those fans getting escorted of the building. I love when Chris makes a statement (i.e. via Twitter) and believe he will continue to do so. He is very protective of the people he loves and Will seems to be part of a very close circle of friends now. I suspect, if necessary, he will defend Will. All those CC are (un)intentionally “harming” Will. I doubt Chris is going to let this happen indefinitely. I want those people to be embarrassed and realize by Chris himself they overstepped a lot of boundaries.

On the other, I want all his LOS and SBL events to be about Chris and his movie/book and his achievements. I don’t want one single mention of Klaine/Blaine/even Glee! I hate the fast we even have to discuss this.

Finally, who in their right mind asks a stranger (and Chris is a stranger! We all sometime tend to forget that) about their sexual life?! Boyfriend or no boyfriend, that is just rude and obnoxious.
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Post  Lottie2303 on 6/10/2013, 8:20 am

About the previous discussion and how homosexuals treat their own peers, I agree with everything Marie said. I don’t need to add more, as she highlighted the most important point eloquently.
One thing I have to add is that Chris is once again changing the perception of homosexual couples. One aspect I adore, love and respect Chris for, he just is a person. He doesn’t make a highlight of him being gay, he doesn’t hide himself being gay, and he doesn’t defend himself being gay. His personality is not defined by it! That is not always the case! He just is gay. There is no discussion, no need to explain or flaunting of his life. He lives his life the fullest and doesn’t let himself be defined by anyone. His refuses his career to be shaped by his sexuality and he is miles ahead with his attitude and understanding then some people decades older them him.

Him and Will are based on pictures are very normal, stable couple. They just are. They also don’t let define them by society or Chris fanbase. A relationship like Will and Chris is even rare for heterosexual couples in HW. Even Chris circle of friends are rare, as they seem to be mainly crew/”normal” people. It is not common for an actor to date a crew member. It is even unusual to have such a large circle of non-famous people.

Chris refuses to be stereotyped and he refuses to bend over for society, including the gay community who sometimes treat him so very badly. I firmly believe Chris already changed something in HW/gay community and I wouldn’t be surprised that one day we/the world realizes about the impact Chris Colfer created.

For all those points mentioned I respect and applaud Chris for living his life as he wants, never allowing himself to hide (i.e. coming out so early) and being so incredible happy today. You can clearly see how confident, secure, happy and successful his life is! I wish him all the best and cannot wait to continue witnessing his career and how he may change the world.
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Post  Delight on 6/10/2013, 9:05 am

Just saw the descriptions of Kurt and Blaine on the OUT website and I think my vision went red for a second there Evil or Very Mad

Looking at the blurbs, it feels as if they're written by a Blarrenstan who's only watched up till season 2 of Glee. I'm glad to hear that Kurtsies have rallied to give Kurt a lead on the polls, and to call out the infuriating Kurt-bashing and 'you're straight and therefore your opinion doesn't matter' comments.

Sigh... I know that Kurt is just a TV character, and that he's not exactly universally loved (though we truly wish that he is). I often get the impression that quite a significant proportion of the gay community actually despises Kurt, because they (falsely) consider him to be a stereotype. It angers me to see this happening, because Chris put a lot of effort into shaping Kurt and making sure that he doesn't turn into a stereotype. I don't understand how these people can look at the superficial aspects (e.g. at how Kurt is dressed up, or that Kurt sings 'girl songs') and smack Kurt with the 'stereotype' label because they couldn't be bothered to look deeper. Chris's performance is nuanced and adds so much depth to a character who could easily become a cardboard gay punching bag or punch line. Instead of being grateful that they have such a great gay character with such prominence in a popular TV show (portrayed by such a talented young and out and proud actor), they bash Kurt instead; and opted to highlight and praise those more 'macho' and can-pass gay characters whom they are more inclined to identify with, fantasize and drool over.

Anyway, Kurt Hummel is a TV character. He's still at the mercy of writers whose competence have been called into question more and more often in recent times. It's not too surprising that there are people who would consider Kurt 'annoying' or 'nagging' or whatever derogatory term they want to heap on him.

However, if they start blurring actor/character boundaries and bring the bashing to Chris Colfer instead, then I'll kick up a stink and tear them a new one.
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Post  coxfire on 6/10/2013, 9:41 am

Yes, these blurbs were screaming "Blarrestan", but the backlash it received was satisfying. As for the comment saying straight women opinion were irrelevant and how Kurt is a stereotype just shows how IQ-limited this commenter was.

Determining if someone is good/bad boyfriend material doesn't depend on your sexuality, but general criteria applicable to any person: does that person cheat? Is he/she egocentric? Does he/she consider your POV? Does he/she has little attention towards you? (and reciprocally, of course). Criteria like looks and performances in bed count, but if that's all there is and that your SO is unfaithful or treats you like shit, that sure doesn't make him good BF material (and who cheated in Glee? Yeah right) . Wether you're gay, bi, trans or straight, that's the same for everyone.

Now saying that Kurt is a stereotype, I can vaguely understand. Kurt does bear some of the stereotypical gay clichés related to effeminacy in his tastes for showtunes and fashion, that's true, but the character itself is more complex. And saying he is offensive is offensive because it once more validates the fact the fem gays are not "the right kind of gay". This guy, who belongs to the gay community, a community who fights for its rights and its acceptance, cannot conceive that some people are different from him, and treats these people with the same contempt that some narrow-minded over-religious straight people treat gays. It just shows the vapidity of his mind and how irrelevant this guy is. Fem gays DO exist, saying they are offensive is just the most despicable thing ever.

Yes, Blaine is the "gay-that-pass" that is lauded: see this guy is gay but he doesn't SHOW it, perfect! Blah. OUT are just a bunch of morons who prefer praising a bland cheater than Kurt, I just hope for them the comments they received will force them to try to rub the 2 neurones they have left and see where their POV is archaic and despicable.


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Post  Glorfindel on 6/10/2013, 9:42 am

At around the same time of this stupid Out magazine poll write-up for Kurt, there was an article about possible Emmy-noms, mentioning Chris (I think it was posted on the appreciation thread?). There were some negative comments towards Chris, and yes, the hated "Kurt is just a stereotype" and "Colfer gives a bad name to the gay community" comments were there too (thanks mostly to Kerrie). :angry:

Others reacted to those negative comments: Kurtsies of coure, but also a few more objective people, I think. Two of those comments caught my attention, because the people who wrote them are not fond of Kurt (so no Kurtsies or Chris fangirls), but they like and acknowledge Chris for his acting, even with the bad material he's gotten. I hope they don't mind that I post their comments here:

I disagree in part with you Zach, sorry. Chris Colfer is a very good actor, but to say that he hasn’t made Kurt into a ‘real person’ is I feel a matter of opinion. I have, unfortunately due to the nature of my work, had to watch every single episode of every season and out of all the characters, much as he really is not my favorite, Kurt is the one who has developed the most. He grates on me terribly, but I recognize him as ‘real’ and that is down to the skill of the actor behind the character. It certainly cannot be credited to the writers, as the writing has been steadily decreasing in quality, especially in this past season. That development of Kurt is definitely Colfer going above and beyond what is asked of him.

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Yes! Chris Colfer is an extremely talented actor, whether or not you like the character he portrays. I am not fond of the character ‘Kurt Hummel’, but I recognize the impressive talent of the actor. Chris Colfer deserves respect in this industry. He may not have had much material to work with in this season of Glee, but even with the little screentime he has had and the very limited dialogue he has been given, Colfer has consistenly given an extremely nuanced, and layered performance with depth and emotion.
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Post  Lottie2303 on 6/10/2013, 9:56 am

It always bothers when people cannot distinguish a character and the actor. Chris is incredible talented and all rational thinking person’s know that. He is among the very best on Glee.

Kurt may represent some stereotypes, but stereotypes don't exist without merit. People like Kurt exist! Why should they be deemed unworthy and not be allowed to be shown? Also Kurt is one of the most dimensional homosexual characters on TV. Not because of Glee, mind you, but because of Chris. He won't receive an Emmy nomination but I wish he would receive more respect for his accomplishments. He stole an entire episode by eating a cookie! Beat that!
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Post  Glorfindel on 6/10/2013, 9:59 am

^Ha, that cookie eating scene alone was worth getting an Emmy-nom for! fanny2

coxfire wrote:Now saying that Kurt is a stereotype, I can vaguely understand. Kurt does bear some of the stereotypical gay clichés related to effeminacy in his tastes for showtunes and fashion, that's true, but the character itself is more complex. And saying he is offensive is offensive because it once more validates the fact the fem gays are not "the right kind of gay". This guy, who belongs to the gay community, a community who fights for its rights and its acceptance, cannot conceive that some people are different from him, and treats these people with the same contempt that some narrow-minded over-religious straight people treat gays. It just shows the vapidity of his mind and how irrelevant this guy is. Fem gays DO exist, saying they are offensive is just the most despicable thing ever.
When some people say that someone (like Kurt) is a stereotype they often don't comment on the writer's (and sometimes actor's fault) of creating a believable 3-dimensional unique character, but they actually are saying that to them certain gays are annoying/stupid/fake/OTT/etc.
Being femme as a gay guy =/= stereotype on tv. It's a type of gay that excists, in droves, and they have every right to excist in their own fabulous way, just like all the other types of people, gay or straight have a right to excist.

It's true that HW has created many femme gay characters and exploited them as 'funny' obnoxious stereotypes. But that does not mean that all femme gays are like that stereotype. Not all jocks are dumb, not all cheerleaders are bitchy, not all black women are sassy (to name a few stereotypes).
I think that Kurt was meant to be one of those stereotype femme gays, but Chris made him 3-dimensional and real. If you ignore all the other things that Chris as Kurt has done for the visibility of the gay community, the fact that he made (prejudiced by culture and media) all kinds of people (gay, straight, young, old, male, female) relate to, sympathize with, and fall in love with Kurt's 'stereotype' type of gay, flaws and all, may be his greatest achievement of them all. wub

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Post  valkeakuulas on 6/10/2013, 10:04 am

I find it so hilarious even now that Chris eating a cookie, off-focus, was funnier than anything in that episode!

One other scene, very short but memorable for me was the one where Rachel and Kurt rode their bicycles around the loft and the candle light picnic after. That kind of scene showed from the very beginng what an entire season could have been and then just NOT giving that kind of quality to the viewers made a lot of people even more angry. What we don't know, we can't miss. That was their biggest mistake: they gave us a glimpse of extra nice but deliverd s***.

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Post  Lottie2303 on 6/10/2013, 10:23 am

I've been saying all along, I'd piss my pants if Chris would get nominated eating a cookie. It would be the biggest 'fuck you!' to RIB Twisted Evil . A girl can dream.

Kurt would have been butchered within seconds if it wouldn't have been for Chris instincts, talent and consideration. Yes, Kurt has some stereotypical tendencies but he is also so full of surprises and layers. Only recently they started to get lazy with the writing by putting him in a box (Chris is thankfully fighting back with great acting), but nowadays he is only gay best friend and asexual, unattractive ex-boyfriend anyway.
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Post  valkeakuulas on 6/10/2013, 10:44 am

I think making him non-threatning, best friend of all the girls and not showing an intense interest in sex is incredibly deliberate and it's becoming more obvious, now that Kurt is a single guy starting a new life. I do really thank Chris for giving such good faces in Glee Actually and CWM.

I know a lot of people would be/are interested in how Chris would play highly sexualised Kurt but Kurt, with the backround he's had, would not change over night to a sex crazed teen, which he soon won't be, teen I mean. If they will go fully for NY at the end of season, and if they shove Blaine in NY they will have to somehow address this.

I bet they let single Blaine go on those funny NY dates that we all wanted to Kurt going. dryy

The more I think about the wasted opportunities of Hummelpezberry in New York the more frustrating it becomes. Anyone who says these three would not have had enough material for a spin off obviously don't get that these three actors have the ability to create layers for their characters from the smallest bits of writing.
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Post  Lottie2303 on 6/10/2013, 11:04 am

As I said, all those scenes which should have been there for Rachel and Kurt (first night out, first date, first day at college etc.) will be handed on a silver platter to Blaine and company. Then RIB and FOX will be shocked when they figure "hey, it is not necessary NYC the audience wants! It is the characters!"

At least we know Chris is fighting for Kurt. Even though many of you don't like 'I do' for good reasons, that episode for once did show Kurt as sexual AND dominating human being. I just hope we get something in S5 that doesn’t include Blaine. But that won’t happen… I am getting angry again just thinking about it.
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Post  coxfire on 6/10/2013, 11:16 am

valkeakuulas wrote:I think making him non-threatning, best friend of all the girls and not showing an intense interest in sex is incredibly deliberate and it's becoming more obvious, now that Kurt is a single guy starting a new life. I do really thank Chris for giving such good faces in Glee Actually and CWM.

I know a lot of people would be/are interested in how Chris would play highly sexualised Kurt but Kurt, with the backround he's had, would not change over night to a sex crazed teen, which he soon won't be, teen I mean. If they will go fully for NY at the end of season, and if they shove Blaine in NY they will have to somehow address this.

I bet they let single Blaine go on those funny NY dates that we all wanted to Kurt going. dryy

The more I think about the wasted opportunities of Hummelpezberry in New York the more frustrating it becomes. Anyone who says these three would not have had enough material for a spin off obviously don't get that these three actors have the ability to create layers for their characters from the smallest bits of writing.

Lea, Chris and Naya are largely talented enough to lead a show, provided that they are granted good storylines but also evolve among supporting characters that allow them outside interactions. Seeing them in huis clos all the time could get boring, but this is not unmanageable. Shows like friends or the Big Bang theory revolve around a very limited, but talented cast, who are surrounded by interesting secondary characters. Now, the formula is different for those shows, but it proves that you can keep stories interesting without bloating your cast and then diluting the stories and characters.

If the writers start effectively writing and stop throw random crap on sheets and call it scripts, a whole NY centered show is more than highly possible and would refresh an otherwise tired concept. Seeing these 3 turning into adults while still experiencing real college experience (and not the farce that they showed with Puck and Finn, which, even if I liked it because I laughed and Mark and Cory do work well together, was a distorted vision of what studying in College means) could finally bring Glee back to a good show.

Lots of viewers would love to see Hummpezberry going out and share drinks in bars (together or with their own clique of friends), struggle with competitive students, juggle studies and part-time job, all the while singing (in school, at Callbacks, at home, etc.). The High school show choir setting is no fresh any longer, and is just tedious now.

A good show should now how to make its characters evolve without changing them, but for now, Glee is incapable of that. IF TPTB will be believe their own lies, that people loved S4, then Glee is in deep shit. Now, I'm not sure TPTB really believe themselves, I rather think that Reilly just didn't want to lose face when he said that. even if the GA still tunes in, ratings and itune sells have dropped drastically and they know it. Besides, even if it's beyond my understanding but hey, to everyone it's taste, Blaine is still considered as a fan favorite: don't be mistaken, he will be shoven down our throats very, very far next year (so far he'll come out the other way).

Kurt edits watching only seems to be the best tactic next year.
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Post  ColdFlame96 on 6/10/2013, 7:19 pm

Oh look I found some more asshattery in the Chris tag. It's in regards to a certain post by Perez. tronco
http://darrenbeundapper.tumblr.com/post/52652960698/regarding-darren-crisscolfer
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Post  fantastica on 6/10/2013, 7:49 pm

it doesn't really matter if DC is gay or straight or bi or asexual. the only thing that matters is that he and Chris are not dating.

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Post  Glorfindel on 6/10/2013, 8:32 pm

ColdFlame96 wrote:Oh look I found some more asshattery in the Chris tag. It's in regards to a certain post by Perez. tronco
http://darrenbeundapper.tumblr.com/post/52652960698/regarding-darren-crisscolfer
The Perez Hilton article you're referring to confirms Mia as Darren's girlfriend: link. It seems that Darren is (finally) going public with Mia as his gf (maybe because there is no denying that Chris has a boyfriend anymore, so Darren feels 'safe' to admit his relationship as well. Anyway: good for him).
The CrissColfers and other delusional fangirls of Darren are pissed about that. They made some awful comments (towards Mia but also towards Darren) under that article. It's scary to read them: death wishes and all. :angry:

I don't care much for Darren, but he and certainly Mia do not deserve any of this hate. They look so happy in that picture, I hope they will not see any of those comments. Can you imagine a similar article about Chris and Will with comments like that? Something like this should not happen: it's rude and downright bullying. :(

Darren's own 'fans' are hating on him now for having a relationship with a woman. They want his tour to end so they don't have to see Mia cheering him on in the audience. They think that his tour was engineered to make him look straight and in love with a woman, not because he wanted his dream as a singer to come true. They say that dating a woman is hurting his career. They call him a liar and not man enough to stepup to his 'PR people'. Wow, that's some shitty fans.
CrissColfer was never about loving Chris, but now it seems like that for many CrissColfers it never was about loving Darren either: it was all about the fetishing of 2 cute guys while never seeing any of them as a real person with a real personal life. As long as they could fantasize about Darren having sex with another man, they would not have to face the truth that Darren likes having sex with a woman who is not them. Their jealousy of Mia (a girl like them) is partly the foundation CrissColfer is build on.
Darren is better off without these 'fans'. Evil or Very Mad

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Post  ColdFlame96 on 6/10/2013, 8:50 pm

Yep. I told off the person who wrote the post and all the idiots who were posting hate. I personally think Mia's a beautiful girl and she certainly doesn't deserve that shit from a bunch of deranged fans. :angry: I'm not a fan of Darren either but he really needs some better fans.
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Post  fantastica on 6/10/2013, 9:06 pm

the angry fans are the ones who do not like the "competition". they want DC to be available. they dont' mind shipping CC because they are both boys so chris is not only not their competitions, but allow them to fantasizing about both.

i remember a few years ago a famous hong kong actor who for decades is a sex symbol, finally came out and announce that he and his wife had been married for many years. he appologized to the fans and explained that he didn't want to disappoint them w/ the news that he was no longer available. Jacky Chang is worse. He didn't acknowledge his marriage until his son is already an adult. I guess it's common for many fans to fantasize the impossible relationship w/ their male celebrity. the strong yearning can turn into mad jealousy once their object of desire is no longer theoretically available.

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Post  Glorfindel on 6/10/2013, 9:10 pm

I can't believe what some of those 'fans' wrote. If their parents would see that they should take away their computers for about a year or so.
How can people be so hatefull? I know most of them are just young silly fangirls who are so in love with Darren that they can't see straight anymore (pun not intented, lol), but deliberately writing so much hate..... Mad

They are so delusional and in denial. TBH: I find most CrissColfers very annoying and disrespectful, but untill today I didn't realize how firmly they believe in their own conspiracy theories (PR!!!).
I thought that most of them were just spewing these PR and other theories to keep up the pretence and find some validation for their fantasy ship, to give them something to do and talk about in their tag, but I never thought they truly (as in: deep down inside gut feeling truly) believed in their own nonsense. areu


And Chris has to deal with 'fans' like that every day. Evil or Very Mad

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fantastica wrote:the angry fans are the ones who do not like the "competition". they want DC to be available. they dont' mind shipping CC because they are both boys so chris is not only not their competitions, but allow them to fantasizing about both.
Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. That's exactly why they are hating on Mia and clinging to their CrissColfer tinhat fantasy. If they can't have Darren for their own, they don't want any other girl to have him either. Chris is okay to be with Darren, because he's not a girl (ha, about the only time they don't want to compare Chris/Kurt with a girl).

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Post  Jellyrolls on 6/10/2013, 9:39 pm

You know if Darren "comes out as straight" officially, and officially announces he is with Mia, this could be the first time that not being gay has killed a Hollywood career. I mean if Darren says he is with her, the tin hatters will run so far away.

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Post  ColdFlame96 on 6/10/2013, 9:54 pm

Jellyrolls wrote:You know if Darren "comes out as straight" officially, and officially announces he is with Mia, this could be the first time that not being gay has killed a Hollywood career. I mean if Darren says he is with her, the tin hatters will run so far away.

I highly doubt it. He's already said he was straight once. How many times does he need to say it? The tinhatters will just call 'PR'! dryy
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Post  brisallie on 6/10/2013, 10:12 pm

fantastica wrote:the angry fans are the ones who do not like the "competition". they want DC to be available. they dont' mind shipping CC because they are both boys so chris is not only not their competitions, but allow them to fantasizing about both.


Love your explanation Kim. Is perfectly accurate.

At the end, crisscolfer are selfish insane people who don't want neither the happiness of Chris or Darren, only are worried to not hurt their delusional hearts.

I've read that Darren went to an even with Mia, and she was tagged as the "girlfriend", and I know crisscolfers are not happy with it. They're claiming is was PR stuff (again), and are calling disrespectful nicknames to Mia. I feel bad for her.

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Re: Kurt Hummel Snark & Bark Thread--Part 8

Post  fantastica on 6/10/2013, 10:49 pm

people believe what they want to believe. there's no point to argue w/ them. when someone sees something black you can make them see white. the eyes may see one color but it's up to the brain to interpret. our mind can be very stubborn and refuse to accept the facts.

many of the fans ship CC because it makes them feel better - that DC is not w/ any other girl so they still have a chance to date him one day - hey millions of people are buying lotteries because they believe they have that one in a zillion chance of getting filthy rich! anyway when the thought of this ship (or that DC is not straight) is giving you the spiritual lift that you need to live, you will defend it ferociously. people die for religious believes. they die for certain ideology. they don't need proof that these goals are even remotely realistic. they need it to give them a purpose to live.

it's sad that someone needs a crack ship to live a more purposeful life. at least religion and other ideologies are about changing the world. what a bunch of losers!

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Post  MissSoniaPP on 6/10/2013, 11:02 pm

Today was a fun day on Tumblr
Darren and Mia were the Tony Awards and there was a number of people who reported to them as a couple (including PerezHilton.com) and CrissColfers freak out.
I feel sorry for Mia, just read the comments on PerezHilton to see the level of craziness certain crissColfers Shocked blinkk notall
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Post  Buenos on 6/10/2013, 11:04 pm

Any news if Will is with Chris in Paris?
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