1x07 "Throwdown" Watch and discussion thread

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Sue's latest attemt at destroying Glee Club finds her squaring off with Will and dividing the club into separate, competing factions.

Will and Sue both look pretty hideous when they are arguing.

Will and Sue did a great job of pretending to get along in Figgy's office when we know that they are really not.

Finn is being sweet and supportive with Quinn at the ultrasound. I can't believe the ultrasound tech told them the sex of the baby without asking them if they wanted to know.

Jacob Ben Israel is so creepy. I'm glad that they stopped making him pine over Rachel. He is just so creepy. Always trying to get Rachel's panties and bra, always looking at her boobs. He's gross.

Sue is so bad. Calling for the kids she wants in her glee club without calling them by their real names (except for Santana). I love the look on Chris' face when she says "Gay kid." And Asian and other asian makes me giggle every time.

Kendra's kids are so bad. They are so rambunctious.

It's nice to see Will starting to grow a pair against Terri. He still has no clue she's not really pregnant, but at least he is standing up to her now.

Ewwwww. Jewfro again. He is so gross.

Kurt's sweater in the Sue's kids song is so hideous. It looks like he's wearing a dirty polar bear. And are those slightly short pants and no socks with his shoes? Seriously. That just reaffirms my thought that Ryan Murphy has an ankle fetish.

Random Kurt/Chris comment: Have you ever noticed how much he is sitting or leaning when everyone else is dancing?

It's great to see Will growing a pair against Sue too. He can be such a pushover sometimes.

The camera seems exceptionally shaky in the scene with Will and Terri in their apartment. It's kind of annoying.

Santana and Brittany stretching. A straight male dream.

The scene with Will, Sue, and Figgy in Figgy's office was awesome. Sue is so wrong, but she is so convinced that she is right. Figgy is such an ineffective principal. He is just so oblivious to the going ons at the school.

Sue is so full of rage. How does she get away with it? LOL . She's awsome.

Finn picking a baby name was adorable but his choice was so bad. Drizzle. Drizzle Hudson. I wonder if there are really people named Drizzle.

Finn, Finn, Finn. Poor misguided Finn. You never bring up another girl's name into an argument.

I love "Ride Wit Me." It's just so loose and fun. They look like they are really having fun when they filmed that one. I love Chris' attitude when he talks about Sue shaving their heads, and he says, "I just can't rock that look."

Boy, they got rich sound on the background vocals on "No Air" with just three voices. I don't think I could sing without laughing wiht Mr. Schue dancing like he does there. The interactions between Finn and Rachel when they were onstage was kind of inappropriate with Quinn standing right there, even in a performance.

"What are we supposed to do? Just sway back here like props." This is another line that is hysterical to hear now knowing that Tina became the ultimate prop by season 3.

To be continued...

Sue really is a master manipulator. She is so good at keeping a step ahead of Will. Will is no match for her.

I hate the scene in the OB's office when Kendra and Terri are blackmailing Dr. Woo. It's so offensive.

You know, Lea and Dianna really do a good job as enemies. They really play well off each other.

"Keep Me Hanging On" is a decent performance. Dianna has a pretty voice on songs like this, but her voice really gets lost in the cast when they have a few very good stong female voices. She just can't compete with the others.

I love the little hand over the mouth expression says after Rachel introduces the song, her, Finn, and Quinn are going to sing for the others.

Will was so inappropriate to bad mouth Sue in front of the kids, but Sue gave it right back to him. I love that Finn steps up and stops them. Every once in a while, they show Finn standing up for something (at least back in the good old days).

Will is almost as dumb is Finn. When Dr. Woo says it's a girl, he asks, "Did something happen to his..." Seriously, Will? Did you think it fell off? Or the baby ate it? You can't help but fell bad for Will knowing how happy is about the baby when the pregancy is a fraud.

It always amazes me how much trust Will puts into Sue no matter how much she does to abuse him.

I have to say it again: Jacob Ben Isreal is so gross. Those granny panties are so bad. Do you think they were really Rachel's this time?

I really love "Keep Holding On." I love the itensity of the looks that Kurt gives to Quinn. There are so much passion and expressiveness in his looks towards Quinn (which is probably why he got paired with her for much of the song). The other guys show emotion through squinty eyes. Chris does it with his whole face.

I loved Kurt and Quinn, now that is a friendship they should have gone with, rather than all the Faberry crap. Kurt, while more insular in the first season, and snarky (miss that), has always been a sweet boy at heart. Plus Chris boosts the acting chops of those he interacts with, even more so than Lea, I think. Rachel's character is so loud and dramatic by nature, she kind of over shadows those she is in a scene with, Kurt is more low key most of the time. His character can share.

The blackmail thing was unsavory, to be sure, but at this time, Glee was more surreal. It was a dark comedy, it wasn't meant to be anything real world. I work in health care, and that whole idea was just bizarre to me. Kendra was so oblivious to how her children turned out so out of control, the alcohol had absolutely nothing to do with it, isn't that so, Kendra? I was surprised how the doctor submitted to the blackmail, but again, surreal world.

I liked Quinn's song, her voice in the right song can be quite lovely. Again, belting doesn't impress me anymore, we've had 3 years of all the Glee power belters. I want more variety, thank you very much. Volume doesn't equal quality, it's just louder.

I think Jewfro was brought in to signify Rachel's attractiveness, but to also show that the Glee club were losers, because he is the best she could do. I always found him to be gross. You need a special kind of actor to play someone so sleazy and make them likeable, and this guy just didn't have that quality. In someone else's hands it might have been okay, but he was just obscene to me. When they de-aged him to 15 when Gwenneth Paltrow was on I let out an audible groan, because I was hoping he would be gone. It seems, though, that the writers haven't found anything for him for a long time. Unless he does his usual season opener exposition this year. We'll see.

I remember Chris talking about that sweater being so heavy and hot. The scene was fun, because at that time they did a lot more spontaneous stuff. Just like "ride wit you" was filmed after catching the group hanging out and singing between takes, and they decided to do something like that in the show. The singing was live, if I remember correctly. Same with Kurt's little kicks and "I'm being cool" movements. Amber was soooo laughing at him.

I remember the behind the scenes of this episode, and Sue and Will were told to be hyper exaggerated in their argument. I liked the voice overs.

The voice-over at the start of the episode was the highlight for me; especially Sue's, because she is just so impressed by her angry, yelling, combative self.

Divalicious wrote:

The blackmail thing was unsavory, to be sure, but at this time, Glee was more surreal. It was a dark comedy, it wasn't meant to be anything real world. I work in health care, and that whole idea was just bizarre to me. Kendra was so oblivious to how her children turned out so out of control, the alcohol had absolutely nothing to do with it, isn't that so, Kendra? I was surprised how the doctor submitted to the blackmail, but again, surreal world.

Yeah, I can't imagine a real-life doctor falling for such a lame blackmail attempt either (especially when the accusations made are backed by zero medical facts). But then, Glee isn't meant to be realistic, is it?

Divalicious wrote:I loved Kurt and Quinn, now that is a friendship they should have gone with, rather than all the Faberry crap. Kurt, while more insular in the first season, and snarky (miss that), has always been a sweet boy at heart. Plus Chris boosts the acting chops of those he interacts with, even more so than Lea, I think. Rachel's character is so loud and dramatic by nature, she kind of over shadows those she is in a scene with, Kurt is more low key most of the time. His character can share.

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I liked Quinn's song, her voice in the right song can be quite lovely. Again, belting doesn't impress me anymore, we've had 3 years of all the Glee power belters. I want more variety, thank you very much. Volume doesn't equal quality, it's just louder.

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THIS two points.

Until today I would like to see how it would have been developed the friendship between Kurt,Quinn and Mercedes, because there's was a moment at the end of season one that for me they were like the new three friends but then they left out Quinn and put Rachel in her place; well they also left out Mercedes.

Regarding the voices, belting is always impressive I won't deny that, but after listening over and over, is enough for our ears! Besides, what's wrong about proving new sounds? I think it would be good intercalate a soft and warm voice in an episode and a week later or two (or three) belters voices again.

I found the slomo fight between Sue and Schuester really funny, omnious sign that the episode would pitch them agaist each other like divorcing parents fighting about their kids. Sue is so deliciously vicious in this one, putting salt at the backyard of the house she sells...just because she can.

Is this the first episode Mike actually speaks, or is this the first time I noticed? Snaps for Kurt snapping at Rachel.

Figgins is a terrible principal and most of real life principals are the same: no idea of subtle hatred between teachers and students yet go on and on about motivational leadership.

And WHY is Schuester with Finn and Quinn at the clinic, WHY? This is not OK. I just remembered why I was not fan of this entire pregnancy SL in the first place. I'm always zoning out when Terri comes up on the screen, I just can't with this whole expecting an imagined baby.

Sue choosing the team she did was so unexpected, it still was when I saw it again. She is truly cunning. And that horror in their faces, like going to their doom with her. I'm a bit taken back that Mercedes is so ready to like Sue.

Sidenote about Kurt's clothes, I've been for ages tried to find those kind of flat white lace shoes for myself with no luck. I wonder if I got that ”need” all the way from here.

Will's grading students papers with multiple questions and giving grades by feeling and not on scale is just another point to add to the list of 'Why Will is a bad teacher'. But in the next scene Glee in fact addresses the question that Glee is a show about school, since they talk about grades. We never got that SAT episode for seniors did we?

Oh, Kurt's princess wave! I've missed that princess wave. I feel this episode is my bash the Schuester moment. He gets, admittetly in non-nice way, pointed out that he might not be that diversive with his Glee club but what does he do with his little majority team, gives the leads to Rachel and Finn again...and gets called out by Quinn. Sue's got a point: Wills Glee is all about Rachel, very much Rachel from the beginning. This is giving me a lot of insight about the current Glee situation.

Some of these numbers with cheerios as dancers make me uncomfortable, they are so over-sexualised: grinding and squatting and groping. Thankfully in Troubletones Cheerio dancers have been toned down, if they would be same as in Brittneys numbers I would just hate Troubletone instead now just being irritated about them.

Finn's statement about most parents fighting at home and children hearing it is really profound and important. Yet another point for Glees dramedy side. Keep Holding On is a funny song to sing this early on the show since we know everyone are not that OK with each other at this point. I guess it's just stating them being in the same ”sinking ship” of Glee. I liked the B&W costuming.

Jellyrolls wrote:
I really love "Keep Holding On." I love the itensity of the looks that Kurt gives to Quinn. There are so much passion and expressiveness in his looks towards Quinn (which is probably why he got paired with her for much of the song). The other guys show emotion through squinty eyes. Chris does it with his whole face.

And that is true, a lot of "crying" faces in this one...or simple basic no-face...not going to point fingers at any one but everyone knows few deadpan/basic faces of Glee. (That came out too mean. )